Who is the LONG ISLAND SERIAL KILLER? *ARREST JULY 2023*

Who is the Long Island serial killer? This is a general discussion thread about this terrifying case.

Who is the Long Island Serial Killer?

The Long Island serial killer (also referred to as LISK, the Gilgo Beach Killer or the Craigslist Ripper) is an unidentified suspected serial killer who is believed to have murdered 10 to 16 people over a period of nearly 20 years.

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[Tresir]

I don't know what to think here. Someone was it Joe Giacalone figured it relates to the box or whatever found in Manorville but how could it? And this search is almost a year after the first one, a good nine or ten months anyhow. And they tore the home apart and seemed to take everything THEN. Do they think something was moved out before they searched the first time and then moved back? I find it hard to believe but could it be a tip from the family who found something??

USUALLY second searches come from finding evidence in the first search. Meaning if something it was a limited irst search but they were allowed to take something that looked as if it had obvious blood on it, and then they tested it and found the blood on that matched that of a victim for instance, a judge may then let them go back with a new warrant and now luminol all walls, take more items, do drains, and a lot more, etc...

I don't really see how Manorville could have prompted this and I don't think Asa or kids provided new info but it's a possibility I guess, and I'd lean towards something in the first search had some kind of hit on a test result so now they are looking for more of same BUT nine or ten months is a long damned time... And then we are to get all excited that a med examiner or whatever was there meaning bones or bodies but I think we heard this before too and maybe that's just routine to have them with on such a search?

Not sure what to think. I know I'd never be content until that basement was dug up and torn apart but I don't think it was the first time and I think they'd need a further warrant for that. is THAT what they are doing? if DM pics are from THIS time that's a ton of evidence boxes taken AGAIN and they already did such...

I can't stand Asa but am really starting to wonder what the deal is here... She did divorce him... But then plays for him but...

I don't know. I do NOT know. Arghhh.

Remarks made of not such a frenzy as first time and more controlled.

Finishing touches sort of on living room, I doubt that totally. That house is an eyesore inside and out and entirely not fitting with all neighboring homes. Finishing touches probably means they just got all their gaming stuff plugged back in and figured out.

I read the article but would have to look again as DM is notorious for it, are all the pics of THIS search and they didn't insert any of the old search? They are great at mixing up stuff and I also often don't believe it accidental because they are about sensational but the mistake of looking for things to lock him up was total error and saran wrap? So right out of the gate, hard to trust this article, pics and etc. were checked for accuracy.

Let's say, for example, that the lock box had remains of Karen Vergata in it. Her remains were not all found right? Could that initiate the new search as that was the last place she was seen?

YOU are not distracting me lol. The fact is I'd RATHER be doing this and am avoiding the other. That's my problem. I did complete the real estate from and now the realtor called but had to cut me off as the buyer's (let's hope) agent was calling him and I have laundry having to be got out In 18 minutes, he is to call me back. I dont' have the cat pan changed their water changed (thank you for any time I went to do it water was shut off) and back to work tomorrow lol. Have not accomplished, never do what I wanted to, but YOU are not distracting me, everything else in life is. THIS is needed down time and I just wish I could have more of it or enough at least.

I don't disagree on Burke and the matching details. That WOULD be one huge hidden secret at this point in time though. NY as far as someone ending up in such positions is full of corruption and perhaps I should say that area of NY rather than talking the entire state. They probably hold as much or more political influence as well as DC. Many in politics or such positions are the lowest of the low who abuse their power and as to sex? OH YES.

Were the INITIALS in the sworn affidavit or did Ray just provide them in a show or some such? I'd only say that like he names of minors or things sealed in documents and releases, they'd generally black out OR they'd be the real initials at least.

What I DO think you are hitting on here or is being hit on is there are more than ONE in power in that area like this and it is far from uncommon and more than likely they knew of the other's practices or ran into them out crushing for sex workers, at the same parties, swinging, and so on.

And don't get me wrong, I can picture Burke doing this and picking up a girl and going to CB's house and having sex with CB VERY EASILY. I just am not sure why I would be hidden at this point. Burke is history and was just arrested again not long ago so why protect him? The cop it truly is though there may be a reason for not giving his name, not sure.

So now laundry is almost done and waiting for realtor to call back. I HOPE to heck he doesn't want changes to what I filled out and then he still has to send back for signing and then I have to return. Screammmmm....

I AM interested in wherever and whoever thing it said that Burke and CB were seen together or some pic together or some such. Like I said I coudln't read most, just the DM article.

Yes the initials are from the affidavit - I looked it up and got the actual wording "let's call him RW". I will find it and post it so we can review it.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Get that form to the realtor pronto.

Lol I did and then he called me and was reading it for his first time and going through with me then the buyer's agent called him. Now my laundry is almost needing to be taken out and he is to call back and hasn't and showing is at 4 I think and still need to get it back and sign. Or change if he advised, etc.

It's a dream but a FULL offer and a done deal right out of the gate would be so SWEET. It is time something goes right in such things. Imo.

It tells me one thing, this was INSTANT and that means it is a buyer that has been looking already through a realtor (another realtor, had one already) and the minute it hit the national listings they immediately scheduled an appt.

That's where I left off in this post. Since then I was about to go get my laundry and he called back and now wondering if it has tie downs (it is a double wide mobile home as far as the home) and more.

Laundry got done while talking with him, then I was second guessing what I said in the form and on and on. Then had to get hold of the helper guy and my mom. One day before the end of this life a day off is truly going to be a day off to just handle what I have to each week, I don't even mean a free day off, but one in which it is only the chores HERE and nothing more.

I have told myself that for a ton of years now and it never comes...

Anyhow THIS has always been my keep me sane thing. Down time thing that I get none of. Isn't that strange? Crime? It distracts me though from my life, it is about victims and others and I can put my head there to get out of my own.

Okay... Enough of that! I did complete it, talked to him twice, texted my mom back and forth a few times about necessary things relating and texted my helper guy who has not answered and I am sure is working.

I now need to know if it has tie downs. HE77 if I know. I assume so. The home is not the thing that will sell this property anyhow. I gather though a bank will need to know. Thought all was covered but apparently not.

Fun times ahead still I can see...

Stopping as it is a basement kind of post but I have NO time to go there. So it is what it is and so I will get back to CB.

You don't do you think Burke did his crimes?? Or whatever his attorney is claiming??

 

[GrandmaBear]

Let's say, for example, that the lock box had remains of Karen Vergata in it. Her remains were not all found right? Could that initiate the new search as that was the last place she was seen?

Yes the initials are from the affidavit - I looked it up and got the actual wording "let's call him RW". I will find it and post it so we can review it.

Hmmm. "let's call him RW"? That is a WEIRD way of putting it I can't disagree... One could say let's call him M&M, doesn't mean it's right... RW could also be first and middle or anything if it is "let's call him" not that those ARE his initials is never said?

 

[Tresir]

Lol I did and then he called me and was reading it for his first time and going through with me then the buyer's agent called him. Now my laundry is almost needing to be taken out and he is to call back and hasn't and showing is at 4 I think and still need to get it back and sign. Or change if he advised, etc.

It's a dream but a FULL offer and a done deal right out of the gate would be so SWEET. It is time something goes right in such things. Imo.

It tells me one thing, this was INSTANT and that means it is a buyer that has been looking already through a realtor (another realtor, had one already) and the minute it hit the national listings they immediately scheduled an appt.

That's where I left off in this post. Since then I was about to go get my laundry and he called back and now wondering if it has tie downs (it is a double wide mobile home as far as the home) and more.

Laundry got done while talking with him, then I was second guessing what I said in the form and on and on. Then had to get hold of the helper guy and my mom. One day before the end of this life a day off is truly going to be a day off to just handle what I have to each week, I don't even mean a free day off, but one in which it is only the chores HERE and nothing more.

I have told myself that for a ton of years now and it never comes...

Anyhow THIS has always been my keep me sane thing. Down time thing that I get none of. Isn't that strange? Crime? It distracts me though from my life, it is about victims and others and I can put my head there to get out of my own.

Okay... Enough of that! I did complete it, talked to him twice, texted my mom back and forth a few times about necessary things relating and texted my helper guy who has not answered and I am sure is working.

I now need to know if it has tie downs. HE77 if I know. I assume so. The home is not the thing that will sell this property anyhow. I gather though a bank will need to know. Thought all was covered but apparently not.

Fun times ahead still I can see...

Stopping as it is a basement kind of post but I have NO time to go there. So it is what it is and so I will get back to CB.

You don't do you think Burke did his crimes?? Or whatever his attorney is claiming??

No I don't think he did them but he sure could have provided the victims, like with Vergata.

What is a "tie down"?

 

[Tresir]

This article has links to the two affidavits in it - the Vergata and the Gilbert affidavits - if you want to review them. I have copied the section with the links. The affiant says in the affidavit that his name is known to her and Mr. Ray. She then says, "I call him RW."

Was Karen Vergata Last Seen at the Alleged Gilgo Beach Serial Killer’s House?

A new witness believes that she last saw Karen Vergata, who was recently identified as Fire Island Jane Doe, at the Massapequa Park home of Gilgo Beach serial killer suspect Rex Heuermann.

www.longislandpress.com

"The witness account of Vergata at Heuermann’s home is notable for the fact that it would be the first alleged connection between the suspect and one of four Gilgo-area victims whose remains were dismembered and scattered in Manorville, Hempstead Lake State Park and — in Vergata’s case — near Davis Park on Fire Island. Vergata’s death in 1996 also makes her case the one unsolved longest of the Ocean Parkway victims. The victims Heuermann was charged with killing were found intact and had been murdered between 2007 and 2010.
In the affidavit, a 54-year-old woman whose name was not released said she and her then-boyfriend — a New York City narcotics detective — went to Heuermann’s house after finding an open invitation to go there on the wall of Trapeze, a swingers club in Manhattan where couples share partners with one another. On their way to Long Island, the witness said her boyfriend picked up a woman she recognized as Vergata, the witness wrote in the affidavit, after authorities announced in August that they had identified the victim after two decades. Ray said the woman cried when she saw Vergata’s face in the news because the witness told the attorney that she was uneasy with how the victim was allegedly left at the suspect’s house.
“Hey shouldn’t we be taking her, something’s wrong here,” the witness told her boyfriend as she said they left Heuermann’s house, leaving behind Vergata, who ran out of the home naked, according to Ray. The boyfriend reportedly told the witness, “Don’t worry, they’re just playing a game. Leave it.”
That incident was alleged to have occurred on or around Valentine’s Day in 1996, which is when Vergata’s family said they last heard from the victim. Although the affidavit allegedly places Vergata in Heuermann’s home, the witness does not say that she saw the suspect kill the victim.
In the other affidavit, the taxi driver wrote that she once was called to pick up a woman from the Sayville Motor Lodge, a motel whose owners were charged last year with sex trafficking — and that she believes it was Gilbert who she drove to the Ronkonkoma Long Island Rail Road station after a date with Heuermann went bad in the fall of 2009. The witness recalled that Gilbert said the man told her he was paying her $1,000, but when she looked in the envelope, it was full of pieces of paper, so she locked herself in the bathroom and called a cab, according to the statement. When the cabbie arrived, a large man emerged and covered his face as he fled, the statement added.
Several days or weeks later, the cabbie said she was called to pick a man up from a location near exit 59 on the Long Island Expressway, but when she arrived, he changed his destination and said “he wanted to take her on a long trip into the woods,” but when she refused he pulled out a handgun and threatened to kill her, Ray told reporters. She recognized the man as the same person she saw at the Sayville motel, the witness told Ray.
“I already want to kill you, just give me a reason,” Ray said the witness recalled Heuermann telling her before her dispatcher chimed in that he could see and hear the threats, scaring the suspect off. The attorney added that the cabbie reported the incident to police, but nothing came of it, which is why she turned to Ray when she saw Heuermann’s face in the news and realized who he was.
The other two witnesses Ray said he heard from have not signed affidavits, but one alleged that she believes a man fitting Heuermann’s description pointed a gun at her in Queens. The other alleged that Heuermann sometimes hired more than one sex worker at a time, even while his wife was home, and that his wife accused them of stealing an iron. Heuermann’s attorney could not immediately be reached for comment on the information Ray shared."

 

[GrandmaBear]

No I don't think he did them but he sure could have provided the victims, like with Vergata.

What is a "tie down"?

Ohhhh now that's an interesting thought... Brought them and left them after playing himself too somewhat...

Heck if I know. It is a double wide mobile home. When we bought the property it was false represented as put on a slab. LIE. It is NOT on a slab but I believe sitting on concrete blocks and leveled. I'm no contractor, guy that knows such things, etc. When I met with more than one realtor I told them I though it was on its axles. I recall my hub telling me it was not on a slab once we had it but that the axles were still under it. So I relayed that. Then the one realtor (not the one I chose and I hate that I loved her as well, hard to pick one) did not seem to think that made sense and heck they are the ones that have dealt with tons of homes and so I thought I had it wrong. Told her I would ask the helper guy and he told me that it was 99 percent almost most likely on concrete blocks as that is how they level the home. And this place has been there like 30 years and not went rolling off, falling off, whatever lol, I have no idea. So TODAY through the buyer's agent before even seeing it asked if it was tied down and I'm like what?? Had to have it explained and I gather it is what keeps it in place and he had one that wasn't and banks will have an issue with it so we needed to know and he represented in the listing it was. I said I don't KNOW. I ASSUME so. It's anchoring or at least cement footings or ties to the block or some such he said, I still not sure. I get the concept and reason but he77 if I know the answer. I only know it has stood though thick and thin.

The HOME is not what will sell this property. It is a benefit because you could live in it while remodeling it, moving it to a nicer spot on the property, split the property even and make $$$ or BUILD and rent this one out and so on. The property and privacy is what will sell it. And all the outbuildings. BUT still maters when it comes to banks.

I said if it isn't and a bank insists can I cut that much and how much will it cost and he gave me a figure he thought and I said, not a problem, you go ahead and tell this prospective buyer, looker if interested I will have it tied down if we find it isn't or cut price so bank can see it is done and voila.

I need every last $$ I can get from it however it did come in higher than I expected and last knew. That's why my preference would be to keep it. Just keeps going up with NO improvements even... But I will wiggle a bit to get it sold and have something off my plate I think my best future and $$ thing is to keep it but it isn't a choice right now.

Your thoughts with Burke? I can see it all. The only thing I that throws me off is the initials and the precinct and I'd think even if I was John Ray who can keep things pretty quiet, I'd be singing loudly that this was Burke... Unless some major investigation is going on they want him and anyone connected unaware of...

I'm not dissing your thought so much as I took the initials and precinct to probably be factual...

 

[Guess Who]

No I don't think he did them but he sure could have provided the victims, like with Vergata.

What is a "tie down"?

Ratchet straps...bungee cords.. Things that tie down a load of something to secure it.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Ratchet straps...bungee cords.. Things that tie down a load of something to secure it.

We are talking a double wide mobile home. I don't think it is going to be bungees or rachet straps.

 

[Guess Who]

We are talking a double wide mobile home. I don't think it is going to be bungees or rachet straps.

It's still similar. They anchor on one side, go over the trailer and then anchor to the other side and then they tighten it up, just like a ratchet strap securing a load. They anchor down usually to something similar to an eyebolt that has been embedded in concrete.

 

[GrandmaBear]

It's still similar. They anchor on one side, go over the trailer and then anchor to the other side and then they tighten it up, just like a ratchet strap securing a load. They anchor down usually to something similar to an eyebolt that has been embedded in concrete.

Helper guy told me it means tied to the ground with strips or chain. Realtor did say one example was concrete. Either way I pretty sure it isn't anchored although I would have guessed it was.
I just knew it was not ratcheted or bungeed like a load in a pick up truck lol.

I know it is leveled and I believe on blocks and has stood for decades but never have been asked if tied down and heck if I knew. **** it just went up yesterday and had a showing immediately late this afternoon and now I have another for first thing tomorrow morning on a Satuday already. Not sure I was prepared for that kind of instant response. Saw the first ones on my cams today, a bunch came, probably a family, a couple vehicles. I am not used to seeing people in my home, especially when I am not there. This is going to be a new experience and something to get used to...I already worry constantly about the place and now have strangers unlocking and locking back up, etc. I'm sure it will be fine but it isn't something I am used to, I already obsess when NO ONE goes there except the guy who helps take care of it and checks on it, etc.

 

[GrandmaBear]

He is going to have the whistle blower on this week who blew Burke out of the water back when. Wednesday I think he said. Haven't watched this yet, just starting.

 

[GrandmaBear]

He is going to have the whistle blower on this week who blew Burke out of the water back when. Wednesday I think he said. Haven't watched this yet, just starting.

Due to choice of viewers, LISK comes first, Read comes after in the video. Just starting to watch.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Took paint chips from porch, a rope from porch, maybe some of the wood area...

 

[GrandmaBear]

FOUR days and they say once command trucks show up it means business. They just chit chat on roll call but interesting...

 

[GrandmaBear]

Another good point is how a house torn down would not now have this opportunity and LOOK they are going back on another warrant and in Kohberger if for any reason they would want to or need to, that opportunity is gone as they demolished all.

 

[Tresir]

We are talking a double wide mobile home. I don't think it is going to be bungees or rachet straps.

So just chuck a couple of ropes across it and tent peg it down. Job done LOL.

 

[Tresir]

It's still similar. They anchor on one side, go over the trailer and then anchor to the other side and then they tighten it up, just like a ratchet strap securing a load. They anchor down usually to something similar to an eyebolt that has been embedded in concrete.

I hadn't read this when I posted what i just said in jest, but it is a thing? That doesn't sound like a big job then. I guess it secures it in the event of hurricanes and tornadoes.

 

[Tresir]

Hmmm. "let's call him RW"? That is a WEIRD way of putting it I can't disagree... One could say let's call him M&M, doesn't mean it's right... RW could also be first and middle or anything if it is "let's call him" not that those ARE his initials is never said?

RW = right w@nker LOL

 

[GrandmaBear]

It's still similar. They anchor on one side, go over the trailer and then anchor to the other side and then they tighten it up, just like a ratchet strap securing a load. They anchor down usually to something similar to an eyebolt that has been embedded in concrete.

Seriously? I had the impression it was something the did underneath but I honestly don't know. Sounded like there might be various ways though as he said something about footings as one way. Told me he thought it would be about $2,500 and I'd likely have to provide that so a bank would pass on it meaning ensuring it would be done by me or the buyer with that money. I guess what you re talking of an eyebolt in concrete might have been what he meant. It wasn't clear to me. Sounds kind of ugly and like a trip hazard to go over the outside.

 

[Tresir]

Seriously? I had the impression it was something the did underneath but I honestly don't know. Sounded like there might be various ways though as he said something about footings as one way. Told me he thought it would be about $2,500 and I'd likely have to provide that so a bank would pass on it meaning ensuring it would be done by me or the buyer with that money. I guess what you re talking of an eyebolt in concrete might have been what he meant. It wasn't clear to me. Sounds kind of ugly and like a trip hazard to go over the outside.

They can be underneath too. I Googled and got a $2k estimate as well. No biggie.