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Crimes by the Justice System and Police
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Tresir
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I agree one is too many. That's why there are appeal routes for everyone
Tresir
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Which state is your state?
GrandmaBear
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Hey, I have said MANY times I do NOT believe such things do not happen at all. Said as much TODAY. You DID read it right or never read a word.
I do not believe ANY such thing and have never said such a thing. Now I agree with her you try to pick things, otherwise why would you say that?
So you are trying to teach us and show us? Something that I already know and have said as much?
They are not "ordinary". That's your personal opinion due to I guess, TV shows. It was your Vinnie himself who said it best who I'm actually not the biggest fan of. But man did he put that one well, as well as how people fall for such and think such.
I had already responded to you and so now you're saying I beliee wrongful convictions don't happen? When did I say that??
The only reason I even saw this post was because I went to new posts and the one that was new was not even yours. I don't read notifications or even look at them.
Imo you just showed you are intentionally trying to pick something or make people see things your way.
I'd share something else with you but it's not my place to do so.
Lay off tresir.
If I get timed out or something over this, then I hope all goes well for everyone because I'm done. It is you that picked it. AND I RESPONDED NICELY.
I "love" you and you know that. But I don't share your opinion and you know that. I also have NEVER said I don't believe there are wrongful convictions NOR has she.
Quit putting words in our mouths and trying to pick something.
Maybe try to reach Mel and check on her instead.
ANd LOOK at what you said here, why did you post then? Were we in here posting or did you tag us?? Smfh tell me who tries to start something.
I like a good debate that's civil but not what this is. This isn't even a thread I ever look at for the most part but it was one of the few with new posts is how I saw it. I think it was guessy that posted the new one. Never even looked at that one or case. You try to force your opinions on other people who have looked and and thought things out and have brains. And if they don't come over to that thought, it continues like it can be hammered in.
Let's find out if Mel is okay, all right? And if you want to debate, is there a new topic? Not every freaking case is a wrong charge or conviction.
This is likely what you wanted. A reaction. I guess you got it. I'm goingi to YT and cooking. I spend less and less time here anyhow.
GrandmaBear
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Missouri pretty sure but Kansas City and near Kansas too.
GrandmaBear
Deputized Emu Slayer/Horse Thief Hunter
Right but then the politicians refuse to acknowledge it right? I think even though we are not to talk about it, and I'm disgusted by it, politics are sure playing into the justice system more than ever.
It does't mean though that wrongful convictions are "ordinary". No offense but your state seems to have a share of such.
But some do not believe I think such happens.
I'm probably along with you the main one to talk of the "good ol boys' thing too which is far from eradicated everywhere and I personally would say fighting goes on to keep control in some areas.
But then this would be a discussion/debate, a good one imo, which probably shouldn't go on.
And that's worked out just great hasn't it.
Younger generations are like NO, you can't talk. Or some are. My kids aren't. Thank GOD.
By the way, I don't expect a response.
I feel like I'm at JT these days sometimes.
Guess Who
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Politicians are why it's happening here.
Tresir
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I think you are right and he just wants any reaction to then just criticize it. Its like trolling almost. Tag us to get us to comment, then have a go at the response.
It's not really my place to criticize your country's judicial system anyway. It is similar to ours and is generally based on a jury's decision.
Cousin Dupree
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I never put words in your mouth. I said it seems that's what you believe.
Yes, I am trying to show you how common it is. You don't seem to think it is. So I'm trying to get a discussion on the subject, but I guess you just want to ignore the issue, which is fine Just say it doesn't interest you.
Cousin Dupree
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The point I'm trying to make is the appeals issue is malarkey. In the John Oliver video one DA says that innocent people should be put to death, if convicted.
I'm not kidding.
If you don't want to watch a 21 minute video that does an excellent job of explaining the problem, and don't want to investigate for yourself, there's nothing I can do.
The whole point is that it shouldn't be needed. Police and DA'S should present everything they have. There should be much harsher penalties for covering up evidence. I'm not going to go into it anymore.
If all you care about is the very flawed appeals process then fine. I'm trying to make the point that trials shouldn't need the appeals process even close to the numbers it does now.
They should take care of it in trial. If you don't want to watch the video I’ve linked articles that discuss two of the cases.
I would never want to be jailed for any amount of time for something I didn't do. I want the justice system to figure out I'm innocent before they even put me on trial.
If I'm at the Sheriff's office applying for a gun permit when the crime took place, they shouldn't even bring charges against me. However, they did with one dude in the video and he spent a lot of time in prison.
'Nuff said.
Tresir
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It is not my place to criticize your justice system. I am a UK citizen. Each of your states presumably has its own appeal court so that's more than 50 state appeal courts alone right? You need to address this thru the Innocent Project IMO. Which state is the worst offender and start there. Not having a go at individual posters on this site.
Cousin Dupree
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Off the top of my head, I'd say Texas. Texas governors are very proud that they never commute death sentences while they are Governor. It's been said by more than one person that they have a fast lane to killing inmates.
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Tresir
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Ok well here you go then - Texas stats between 2 and 6% are wrongly convicted according to the Innocent Project and it takes more than $200k to free one innocent person.
Exonerate - Working to Free the Wrongfully Convicted | Innocence Texas
We exonerate the wrongfully convicted by providing first-rate legal counsel and investigative services at no cost.
innocencetexas.org
With the rate of wrongful convictions being estimated between 2% and 6%, there are 3,000-9,000 innocent people in Texas prisons today. Innocence Project of Texas works to achieve the release and exoneration of wrongfully convicted Texans by providing first-rate legal counsel and investigative services at no cost.
Our legal team of staff attorneys, law clinic students, and volunteer attorneys provide representation and critical assistance in the exoneration process. However, the path to exoneration is both long and expensive. Though Innocence Project of Texas has contributed to the release of 37 wrongfully convicted Texans, successful results are difficult to arrive at and challenging to replicate.
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Tresir
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Looks like your state is the worst.
But you are right that Texas is in the top five.
www.theguardian.com
But you are right that Texas is in the top five.
New York has paid record $322m to people wrongly incarcerated since 1989
State has paid out most of any in US, study finds, with Texas, Connecticut, Maryland and Michigan in top five
www.theguardian.com
Guess Who
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Missouri with be far higher than that amount but they keep in prison and have even put to death people that have been proven innocent after conviction so they don't pay out this amounts. They have what relented in a few cases but have refused compensation.Looks like your state is the worst.
But you are right that Texas is in the top five.
New York has paid record $322m to people wrongly incarcerated since 1989
State has paid out most of any in US, study finds, with Texas, Connecticut, Maryland and Michigan in top five
It's happened at least 3 times that I've posted here in the last year or two.
Tresir
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This link below shows exonerations by state and crime. Missouri looks to be relatively low compared to other states.
Exonerations By State Report: Wrongful Conviction Statistics in the US
Since 1989, numerous injustices have led to more than 21,000 years lost in prison for persons who later were exonerated. A total of 2,468 people were exonerated between 1989 and 2019.
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Guess Who
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That's what I'm saying. They don't accept exonerations. They just executed a guy a few months ago that was proven not guilty and the victims family wanted him released and even the prosecutor that prosecuted him said he needed to be freed. They then executed him anyway. There would be no exoneration to be listed for these cases, would there?This link below shows exonerations by state and crime. Missouri looks to be relatively low compared to other states.
Exonerations By State Report: Wrongful Conviction Statistics in the US
Since 1989, numerous injustices have led to more than 21,000 years lost in prison for persons who later were exonerated. A total of 2,468 people were exonerated between 1989 and 2019.www.nealdavislaw.com
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Tresir
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So the states with low numbers exonerated are actually the worst. The states with high numbers are reviewing cases properly.
Why aren't these cases appealing?
Guess Who
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They are.
Cousin Dupree
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People are appealing, but nobody wants to admit a mistake. In that John Oliver video, one DA comes right out and says innocent people should be put to death.