Crimes by the Justice System and Police

@GrandmaBear @Tresir

False convictions are more common than you'd think. Also, this woman was scheduled to be killed until a judge took a look at her case and has concluded she's innocent.

This is the part of the article that disgusts me the most:

Senior State District Judge Arturo Nelson concluded that prosecutors presented false testimony, suppressed evidence and that new scientific evidence that was not available during Lucio’s 2008 trial undermines and contradicts evidence presented by the state. He recommended that Lucio’s conviction and death sentence be overturned.

apnews.com

Texas inmate Melissa Lucio is 'actually innocent' of killing daughter, judge says

Efforts to free a Texas woman whose execution was delayed in 2022 amid growing doubts she fatally beat her 2-year-old daughter have received a significant boost.
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Cousin Dupree said:
@GrandmaBear @Tresir

False convictions are more common than you'd think. Also, this woman was scheduled to be killed until a judge took a look at her case and has concluded she's innocent.

This is the part of the article that disgusts me the most:

Senior State District Judge Arturo Nelson concluded that prosecutors presented false testimony, suppressed evidence and that new scientific evidence that was not available during Lucio’s 2008 trial undermines and contradicts evidence presented by the state. He recommended that Lucio’s conviction and death sentence be overturned.

apnews.com

Texas inmate Melissa Lucio is 'actually innocent' of killing daughter, judge says

Efforts to free a Texas woman whose execution was delayed in 2022 amid growing doubts she fatally beat her 2-year-old daughter have received a significant boost.
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First, tagging me does no good because clearly I missed this. I don't have the time these days to go by notifications. I simply look for new posts and if a case or thread I follow always, then I look. This wasn't one of them so I missed it.

I see it only now as saw there was a new post in here and not much else new on here, etc. And it was the previous post to the new one. I didn't even read back but landed where I could see it. So just know, I never see a tag.

I in no way do not think there are not unfair convictions. Using the word common is debatable.

I'm disgusted with anyone who abuses power to railroad, get a conviction, abuses their power, etc. Also know I did not go into this article and read it.

However, there is also case by case bases, you cannot assume in all. In some cases for instance, no one picked up the alleged perp and placed them at the scene, they were TRULY there. Delphi for instance. Even placed themselves there. Etc.

I totally get your thing about unfair convictions, I get opinions about dirty cops and share them at times, judges even, etc. but I don't approach all cases as if that's the case. I look at the case. I'm also not saying someone is guilty just because they were there but they couldn't pick someone out of the blue for sure who wasn't and have the same. RA for instance was not just some unknown guy they targeted.

I'm not a fan of a lot of things with our system to be honest. And the way politics are affecting justice these days and a lot more.

I did not read this link, maybe later. Just want to make it clear that I do not disbelieve there have been unfair arrests and convictions ever. Not like I don't believe it happens. I am just not sold on every single case has that going on or even most of them. Especially these days.

I go on a case by case basis and just because an investigation is imperfect and/or keystone cops apparently did some of it or barney fife, I don't automatically make the leap that means the perp did not do it. I DO get ticked they affected the case but feel the juries generally follow what they do have and make the right choice.

I will try to remember to take a look at this actual one and link later.
 
GrandmaBear said:
First, tagging me does no good because clearly I missed this. I don't have the time these days to go by notifications. I simply look for new posts and if a case or thread I follow always, then I look. This wasn't one of them so I missed it.

I see it only now as saw there was a new post in here and not much else new on here, etc. And it was the previous post to the new one. I didn't even read back but landed where I could see it. So just know, I never see a tag.

I in no way do not think there are not unfair convictions. Using the word common is debatable.

I'm disgusted with anyone who abuses power to railroad, get a conviction, abuses their power, etc. Also know I did not go into this article and read it.

However, there is also case by case bases, you cannot assume in all. In some cases for instance, no one picked up the alleged perp and placed them at the scene, they were TRULY there. Delphi for instance. Even placed themselves there. Etc.

I totally get your thing about unfair convictions, I get opinions about dirty cops and share them at times, judges even, etc. but I don't approach all cases as if that's the case. I look at the case. I'm also not saying someone is guilty just because they were there but they couldn't pick someone out of the blue for sure who wasn't and have the same. RA for instance was not just some unknown guy they targeted.

I'm not a fan of a lot of things with our system to be honest. And the way politics are affecting justice these days and a lot more.

I did not read this link, maybe later. Just want to make it clear that I do not disbelieve there have been unfair arrests and convictions ever. Not like I don't believe it happens. I am just not sold on every single case has that going on or even most of them. Especially these days.

I go on a case by case basis and just because an investigation is imperfect and/or keystone cops apparently did some of it or barney fife, I don't automatically make the leap that means the perp did not do it. I DO get ticked they affected the case but feel the juries generally follow what they do have and make the right choice.

I will try to remember to take a look at this actual one and link later.
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Read this thread.
 
Guess Who said:
This dude has been up to no good for decades and is finally going to trail
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An ex-detective accused of abusing women died in an apparent suicide as his trial was starting

Authorities say a white ex-police detective in Kansas accused of sexually assaulting Black women has died in an apparent suicide at his home.
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My dad lived in Topeka about 30 years ago. He was an associate pastor at a church there. (He was retired and filled in when necessary.) I wonder if he knew him.
 
Cousin Dupree said:
My dad lived in Topeka about 30 years ago. He was an associate pastor at a church there. (He was retired and filled in when necessary.) I wonder if he knew him.
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He wasn't from Topeka. That is just where the federal courthouse is. He was Kansas City, KS. I worked with somebody that was affected by his crap but it was at a time that nobody believed her and they did nothing to help or listen.
 
Guess Who said:
He wasn't from Topeka. That is just where the federal courthouse is. He was Kansas City, KS. I worked with somebody that was affected by his crap but it was at a time that nobody believed her and they did nothing to help or listen.
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Lawsuit.
 
Cousin Dupree said:
Read this thread.
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if you mean THIS thread, I have off and on but not religiously. I'd suggest the same too, that you read and know what people are commenting about and be up on it or say you are not and didn't have time, etc. nor read the link and so on.

You tagged me and @Tresir here. Not really sure why. Because (don't want to speak for her) we think RA is guilty or something? That's Delphi, what the heck does that have to do with whatever you are talking of here. TONS that were not sure after attending the trial changed their mind on his guilt. I still don't see what that has to do with this and I haven't even looked at your link or whatever case you are talking of here.

What does our opinion on Delphi have to do with the case or link you put here and tagged us on? that I still have not looked at. What does one case have to do with another?

I'm doing as you do and assuming. I don't know why you'd tag both I and tresir as we don't agree on many a case but we do on RA in Delphi.

And do you read what any of us post? You've pretty much said you don't.

To each their own. I'm still not sure if you want me to read the thread or your link.

And what this thread has to do with tagging the two of us I have no idea other than you are making a blanket assumption.

There is a lot of dirty and corrupt out there, I said as much. He77 we have a murderer that was convicted that got a SIX year sentence. Disgusting. I have far worse words but won't say them.

I don't judge every case on one premise though.

And I don't go for all the conspiracy theories either that are being used.

ANYHOW, Tresir is very good at speaking for herself so just speaking for myself. And I'm not even sure what you are talking of nor why you tagged us other than Delphi where we tend to agree, and this thread is not Delphi.

I am still worried about Mel. I can discuss something and it doesn't mean I don't appreciate you nor agree on other things. Some these days don't get a debate or differing opinions and think it's the end of the world. Just want to put that disclaimer in here because Lord knows how this post may be taken.

So are you still Ubering? Haven't been in the basement in a long time. Hope all is well. Did you make your stuffing for Thanksgiving? That's when I was worried we were related, Stickler/Strickler. Lol.

Anyhow, just asking and trying to determine what you mean.
 
GrandmaBear said:
if you mean THIS thread, I have off and on but not religiously. I'd suggest the same too, that you read and know what people are commenting about and be up on it or say you are not and didn't have time, etc. nor read the link and so on.

You tagged me and @Tresir here. Not really sure why. Because (don't want to speak for her) we think RA is guilty or something? That's Delphi, what the heck does that have to do with whatever you are talking of here. TONS that were not sure after attending the trial changed their mind on his guilt. I still don't see what that has to do with this and I haven't even looked at your link or whatever case you are talking of here.

What does our opinion on Delphi have to do with the case or link you put here and tagged us on? that I still have not looked at. What does one case have to do with another?

I'm doing as you do and assuming. I don't know why you'd tag both I and tresir as we don't agree on many a case but we do on RA in Delphi.

And do you read what any of us post? You've pretty much said you don't.

To each their own. I'm still not sure if you want me to read the thread or your link.

And what this thread has to do with tagging the two of us I have no idea other than you are making a blanket assumption.

There is a lot of dirty and corrupt out there, I said as much. He77 we have a murderer that was convicted that got a SIX year sentence. Disgusting. I have far worse words but won't say them.

I don't judge every case on one premise though.

And I don't go for all the conspiracy theories either that are being used.

ANYHOW, Tresir is very good at speaking for herself so just speaking for myself. And I'm not even sure what you are talking of nor why you tagged us other than Delphi where we tend to agree, and this thread is not Delphi.

I am still worried about Mel. I can discuss something and it doesn't mean I don't appreciate you nor agree on other things. Some these days don't get a debate or differing opinions and think it's the end of the world. Just want to put that disclaimer in here because Lord knows how this post may be taken.

So are you still Ubering? Haven't been in the basement in a long time. Hope all is well. Did you make your stuffing for Thanksgiving? That's when I was worried we were related, Stickler/Strickler. Lol.

Anyhow, just asking and trying to determine what you mean.
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It seems like you and Tresir think framing people by the justice system, or making mistakes, is extremely rare. IMO, it's not. That's all I'm trying to point out. This thread points out a lot. @Guess Who link shows how one person can do so much. Nobody that dude worked with took his crimes seriously, because he was a cop.
 
Cousin Dupree said:
It seems like you and Tresir think framing people by the justice system, or making mistakes, is extremely rare. IMO, it's not. That's all I'm trying to point out. This thread points out a lot. @Guess Who link shows how one person can do so much. Nobody that dude worked with took his crimes seriously, because he was a cop.
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No i don't think that, but if you want to list the cases here and then you could start a thread just on those cases so we can see how many. We can also put the cases where LE have to waste time needlessly too, like the Kobayashi one. And that one led to a suicide.

I'll start the list.

Brett Hankinson
Melissa Lubio
WM3
Roger Golubski
Ron Logan
Hannah Kobayashi
 
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Tresir said:
No i don't think that, but if you want to list the cases here and then you could start a thread just on those cases so we can see how many. We can also put the cases where LE have to waste time needlessly too, like the Kobayashi one. And that one led to a suicide.

I'll start the list.

Melissa Lubio
WM3
Roger Golubski
Ron Logan
Hannah Kobayashi
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WM3? They were railroaded.

Ron Logan was a legitimate suspect. Should LE only investigate one person?

The others I don't know enough about.

Also, this entire thread is brimming with cases of railroaded people and unpunished LE. Read the thread and watch the videos.
 
Cousin Dupree said:
WM3? They were railroaded.

Ron Logan was a legitimate suspect. Should LE only investigate one person?

The others I don't know enough about.

Also, this entire thread is brimming with cases of railroaded people and unpunished LE. Read the thread and watch the videos.
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Some of the others are on this thread. Maybe you should read the thread - I dont have time ATM but will as i get the time. Some are just suggestions. I'm not arguing just suggesting.
 
Tresir said:
Some of the others are on this thread. Maybe you should read the thread - I dont have time ATM but will as i get the time. Some are just suggestions. I'm not arguing just suggesting.
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Explain what you mean by citing Ron Logan and the WM3.
 
Cousin Dupree said:
It seems like you and Tresir think framing people by the justice system, or making mistakes, is extremely rare. IMO, it's not. That's all I'm trying to point out. This thread points out a lot. @Guess Who link shows how one person can do so much. Nobody that dude worked with took his crimes seriously, because he was a cop.
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I don't think any such thing. I'm just not obsessed with thinking it is the case in every case nor do I look at every case through that filter. I have more to say about out system and some and the dirty stuff than you can imagine. It would be an unending post and you wouldn't read it anyhow. Lol.

I try to judge a case ON the case and the facts we know. I also would not agree depending on what you mean it's "common". There are so many things these days that make it so much harder and the older b.s. if it hasn't ending, they are finding out hard and fast that they can lose everything. Bodycams, video, public knowledge and sharing, internet, etc. if they set one foot wrong, LE I mean, etc., well it is going to be heard of or known.

There isn't a bit of me that doesn't think such happens. So if you think that you have it wrong. You just though are centered on it always and looking for it. And that's okay.

I've also said before and will again that some of it is just not the best job done by smaller LE and not every case does that mean someone was framed. Or they take perks for selves,don't do their job, cover for a buddy, etc., bad LE work or not the shiniest of characters does not mean the person charged was framed in every case.

I will even agree that REad is one horrible example of a LOT but when I plow through all that, she hit her bf. And when we saw the blizzards come in Delphi, I clear it and look at what's there. RA is going where he needs to be.

I often say I'm cynical these days but I think you may be more so by far. Not meant offensively. I get it, I truly do. But I don't look at every case through that filter. In fact, I try to have no filter or bias, BUT I don't think any of us can truly say we don't use instinct or experience, etc. a bit because it's just the way it is, it's human, I try not to though.

Anyhow, I'm just saying things I've said before, Never have I said such has never went on or doesn't. It just is not front and center for me and I don't assume it in every case or as the norm. You, because it's a passion, look for such cases, and that's understandable. And of course they exist. Some.
 
Tresir said:
No i don't think that, but if you want to list the cases here and then you could start a thread just on those cases so we can see how many. We can also put the cases where LE have to waste time needlessly too, like the Kobayashi one. And that one led to a suicide.

I'll start the list.

Brett Hankinson
Melissa Lubio
WM3
Roger Golubski
Ron Logan
Hannah Kobayashi
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Oh boy. Thought there was one post here and see there's more.

Lol.

I crashed early, I ached.

Here's the interesting one. Steven Avery. Proved wrongly convicted and innocent supposedly but then later he committed a similar crime. Curious to see what you think of that one @Cousin Dupree . My daughter even saw that one and asked me what I thought. IT was my home state. Did prison turn him into what they falsely accused him of being?

I'm serious. Not being sarcastic in any manner. That's a strange one.

Of course there will always be things we never heard nor never know. I always try to remember that. Even with discovery,etc. or FOIA, some things just aren't allowed in, etc. But that's a different subject. I don't mean it to relate to this and is a bit of a sidetrack. But what I mean is like juvenile records and other things. Former crimes. Etc. Another subject though so I'll leave that there. Coffeed up now. Seeing chiro this afternoon.
 
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