Epstein, Maxwell et al: exposed in child sex trafficking

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Do we have a Jefferey Epstein thread?

www.nbcnewyork.com

Jeffrey Epstein Confidante Ghislaine Maxwell Arrested on Sex Abuse Charges

Ghislaine Maxwell, the British socialite and heiress who became a confidante of disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein and was later implicated in his alleged sexual crimes, has been arrested by the FBI. She was arrested in Bradford, New Hampshire, around 8:30 a.m. Thursday on charges she conspired...
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Tresir said:
Yes I know. That is why I am asking if Jane gave evidence she was sexually abused in Maxwell's bedroom. I only heard the pool room and massage room so far.

Is she giving evidence in this trial?
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He was cleaning up after Epstein's massages in Epstein's rooms and he returned some of the toys TO Maxwell's bedroom as he recognized them as belonging there is how I read it in more than one thing covering it. To me this corroborates sexual activities during massages even if he did not see the activity. It also corroborates it was Maxwell's toys in the room or some of them leading one to intuit that she was present and/or well aware of the activities. I think this is very strong corroboration of Jane's testimony. Whether anything ever occurred in "her" room or not, I don't think means much and I don't think is what they were getting at unless I am taking the testimony incorrectly. From the Insider article posted on the previous page of this thread:

Alessi testified that he cleaned up after each of Epstein's "massages" in his master bedroom or adjacent bedroom, which he said Epstein had up to three times a day. He said he often picked up and washed sex toys and large electronic massagers.

He also said he returned some of those sex toys to a wicker basket in the closet in Maxwell's bedroom, recognizing that they belonged there because of when he cleaned up her room over the normal course of his duties.
 
The reason the exact when and where is important is because then the age of the victim can be ascertained and confirmed as at the date of the alleged offence. As an example given about the NY sexual abuse, the visit to the Broadway Lion King was mentioned. This was proved to be '97 not '94 so the victim was older.

Have just had a read of the Wiki entry for Epstein and it goes into great detail regarding his life, career, investments, business associates, his means of recording everything in his properties ( in the toilets, bathrooms, bedrooms etc) so he has dirt on influential persons for example. I recommend having a read of it if you haven't already. His 2008 plea agreement is also linked in it.
 
Tresir said:
The reason the exact when and where is important is because then the age of the victim can be ascertained and confirmed as at the date of the alleged offence. As an example given about the NY sexual abuse, the visit to the Broadway Lion King was mentioned. This was proved to be '97 not '94 so the victim was older.

Have just had a read of the Wiki entry for Epstein and it goes into great detail regarding his life, career, investments, business associates, his means of recording everything in his properties ( in the toilets, bathrooms, bedrooms etc) so he has dirt on influential persons for example. I recommend having a read of it if you haven't already. His 2008 plea agreement is also linked in it.
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but the abuse didn't have to happen in her bedroom for it to happen. it could have happened anywhere on the property, but I agree that the when is important. The room is irrelevant if the butler is basically verifying her story.
 
Tresir said:
What the butler saw according to the Daily Beast.

www.thedailybeast.com

Epstein Always Had a Gun at His Bedside and Ghislaine Liked Black Leather Costumes, Butler Reveals

Juan Alessi also testified that household staff were forbidden from looking the money man in the eyes and told to “see nothing, hear nothing, say nothing.”
www.thedailybeast.com www.thedailybeast.com
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"Alessi testified that he met Jane—the pseudonym for Minor Victim-1 in Maxwell’s indictment—and knew she was a minor. The testimony is in contrast to that of Epstein’s longtime pilot, Larry Visoski who said he believed Jane was a “mature woman.”
The butler recalled meeting Jane at Epstein’s home the first time she visited with her mother. “I introduced them to Ms. Maxwell,” Alessi testified. “I don’t know exactly how old she was but she appeared to be young. I would say 14, 15.”"
 
Tresir said:
Probably Prince Andrew, President Clinton and the Pope. Did you read the tweets? He has a pic with the Pope and a pic with Fidel Castro.

He also has some sexualised art. He purchased a piece of art called "The Rape" from one of the Farmer sisters. I posted an article about it up thread. (Guggenheim persuaded the artist to sell him "the Rape". )

I guess it could be deemed prejudicial and could be a reason for a mistrial if it was made public but this is just a guess.
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Alan Dershowitz has been named too and then there's this. It was thrown out of court due to mistakes in the filing documents three times.

www.snopes.com

Lawsuit Charges Donald Trump with Raping a 13-Year-Old Girl

A civil suit against Donald Trump alleging he raped a 13-year-old girl was dismissed in California in May 2016, refiled in New York in June 2016, and dropped again in November 2016.
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Guess Who said:
"Alessi testified that he cleaned up after each of Epstein's "massages" in his master bedroom or adjacent bedroom, which he said Epstein had up to three times a day. He said he often picked up and washed sex toys and large electronic massagers."
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EWWWWWWWW!!

Tresir said:
ATM the court has been viewing a video and images that will not be seen by the public. Some discussion is happening about it. They seem to be worried about some of the people seen in the video.

Click on link to read all the tweets.

https://mobile.twitter.com/KlasfeldReports
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Maxwell's lawyer Bobbi Sternheim tells the judge that sealing the roughly 40-minute video conveys a public impression that the house was a "domicile of debauchery." Only a couple of images in the video were at issue, she said.
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So only two images make the house look like a domicile of debauchery? :thinking:
 
Tresir said:
So it looks like the NYPD and the FBI had Epstein on their radar in '96 and did nothing. Now we are back in NY twenty five years later.

So who was President in '96 and what was going on at the time? Well that was President Clinton and the Monica Lewinsky internship of 95/96. Top down sexual abuse (my opinion only of course.)

Here is a reminder of President Clinton's view on sexual abuse from Wiki.

Clinton stated, "I did have a relationship with Miss Lewinsky that was not appropriate",[23] but he denied committing perjury because, according to Clinton, the legal definition of oral sex was not encompassed by "sex" per se.[25] In addition, he relied on the definition of "sexual relations" as proposed by the prosecution and agreed by the defense and by Judge Susan Webber Wright, who was hearing the Paula Jones case. Clinton claimed that certain acts were performed on him, not by him, and therefore he did not engage in sexual relations. Lewinsky's testimony to the Starr Commission, however, contradicted Clinton's claim of being totally passive in their encounters.
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Clinton is a pig, but there is no proof he's a child molester.
 
kdg411 said:
No one is on trial other than Ghislaine Maxwell so please stay on topic. tia
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Sorry if it is not on topic. I wasn't disrespectful or called him names, as others have done, but the witnesses at court have stated he travelled on the plane and Guiffre has said it too. He also visited the Zorro ranch yearly. Why can we mention Trump and Prince Andrew but not President Clinton? I have links saying he went there. Can you clarify who is off topic please? For example, I have also read he had an affair with Maxwell. I can post the link on that too if that is Ok. I will come back and edit this and any other ones, once I know what is ok. Thank you.

ETA Here's one link about the affair but it is not the only one.

www.thesun.co.uk

Ghislaine Maxwell arrest sends shockwave through Epstein’s celeb circle

THE arrest of Ghislaine Maxwell has sent shockwaves through Jeffrey Epstein’s elite inner circle. It’s been reported the Brit socialite will be “naming names” after being ha…
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Tresir said:
Sorry if it is not on topic. I wasn't disrespectful or called him names, as others have done, but the witnesses at court have stated he travelled on the plane and Guiffre has said it too. He also visited the Zorro ranch yearly. Why can we mention Trump and Prince Andrew but not President Clinton? I have links saying he went there. Can you clarify who is off topic please? For example, I have also read he had an affair with Maxwell. I can post the link on that too if that is Ok. I will come back and edit this and any other ones, once I know what is ok. Thank you.

ETA Here's one link about the affair but it is not the only one.

www.thesun.co.uk

Ghislaine Maxwell arrest sends shockwave through Epstein’s celeb circle

THE arrest of Ghislaine Maxwell has sent shockwaves through Jeffrey Epstein’s elite inner circle. It’s been reported the Brit socialite will be “naming names” after being ha…
www.thesun.co.uk www.thesun.co.uk
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This is a tough call! The issue is that people are so polarized politically right now, we can hardly mention politics. So when a crime case is being politicized, it’s really hard to discuss without upsetting the other side. I think the best thing to do is just talk about the political people as they come up in the trial and not all the other things that are being said about them on the side. If that makes sense? If we start talking about people who accused Clinton of this and people who accused Trump of that and yet there was never a court case or they were never proved in court to have done something, then we start going down a rabbit trail of debate that will never end.

So let’s stick to the case and the trial and we should be good. Remember, no matter which side you’re on, seems like there’s a lot of people involved on both sides. So far, anyway. Let’s see how it pans out!
 
Kimster said:
This is a tough call! The issue is that people are so polarized politically right now, we can hardly mention politics. So when a crime case is being politicized, it’s really hard to discuss without upsetting the other side. I think the best thing to do is just talk about the political people as they come up in the trial and not all the other things that are being said about them on the side. If that makes sense? If we start talking about people who accused Clinton of this and people who accused Trump of that and yet there was never a court case or they were never proved in court to have done something, then we start going down a rabbit trail of debate that will never end.

So let’s stick to the case and the trial and we should be good. Remember, no matter which side you’re on, seems like there’s a lot of people involved on both sides. So far, anyway. Let’s see how it pans out!
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Thank you. It is difficult as so many others are being mentioned. Is Maxwell deposition from the civil case ok? If I can find it. It is about 500 pages. Also the flight logs, if we can find them too. I found one so far from 2002.
 
Tresir said:
Thank you. It is difficult as so many others are being mentioned. Is Maxwell deposition from the civil case ok? If I can find it. It is about 500 pages. Also the flight logs, if we can find them too. I found one so far from 2002.
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I would have to say it depends on your reason for wanting to bring it up. If you just want to talk about the political parties, then I would say not. It’s just going to end up in a big rabbit hole if we do.

I like the way @kdg411 said to keep the discussion on Maxwell. Or Epstein. As long as they are the focus of the wrong doings, that’s what would be on topic. If we start talking about how bugs bunny was on the plane and what was bugs bunny doing there, then we start talking about bugs bunny and people either want to defend bugs bunny or demonize bugs bunny. I hope that makes sense.

We do have a private political forum, if you’d like to join. It’s by invitation only. It’s pretty much unmoderated. There hasn’t been any activity in there in a while, but it is there in case you wanna use it.
 
Tresir said:
Thank you. It is difficult as so many others are being mentioned. Is Maxwell deposition from the civil case ok? If I can find it. It is about 500 pages. Also the flight logs, if we can find them too. I found one so far from 2002.
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By the way, you could start a thread about this case in the political forum, too. Then you can use all the links you want and not have to worry about whether they are allowed or not. They would definitely be allowed! Then you could have them all in one place.
 
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