Epstein, Maxwell et al: exposed in child sex trafficking

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Do we have a Jefferey Epstein thread?

 
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I'll have to take a look. Haven't had a chance yet. Thanks for posting all of the links in this case, it has refreshed my memory a lot. I have and had an opinion on most of it back when and had my reasons but forgot the whys until rereading a lot of things.

Female probably is the underaged and/or the other thought that crosses my mind is how it is just unimportant their "names", just call a "female" when one wants a minor...? Who cares which one....? Debasing imo.
On some it says Female (3). Like it says Secret Service (5) on some of the flight manifests.
 
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A 44-year-old former actress and model from the United Kingdom, “Kate” told the jury that she now works with women would live with trauma and substance abuse disorder. She said that she first met Maxwell in Paris, where she was introduced by a boyfriend. She testified about being invited to Maxwell’s for house for tea.

“I had a really lovely time, and I felt special, and I felt—,” Kate said, exhaling deeply before adding she felt “—that I found a new connection that could be very meaningful for me.”

“Kate” said that the meeting left her feeling “exhilarated” — like someone wanted to be her friend.

“She seemed very exciting,” the witness said of Maxwell. “She seemed to be everything I wanted to be.”

Maxwell allegedly introduced “Kate” to Epstein, and “Kate” quoting Maxwell telling her that “he was a philanthropist and that he liked to help young people.”

“She said that I was exactly the kind of person that [Epstein] would help,” “Kate” testified, referring to Maxwell.

“Kate” said that Maxwell introduced her to Epstein as “”the girl that I told you about” and remarked that “I was strangely strong for my size.”

Asked by the prosecutor what that size was, “Kate” responded that she was about 95 lbs.

“She said, ‘Why don’t you give his feet a little squeeze to show him how strong you are?'” the witness testified.

“Kate” said that she did and that Epstein reacted approvingly. Maxwell later told her that Epstein’s massage therapist canceled and asked if she could fill in, according to her testimony.

“Were you a massage therapist at the time?” Assistant U.S. Attorney Lara Elizabeth Pomerantz said.

“No,” the witness replied.

 
They could have numbered pics of them and the victims could identify the ones that were used on them. A dildo/vibrator identity parade. The easiest thing would have been for the victim to have previously identified the particular one(s) nearer the time of the event. As we know, initial reporting of at least two of the victims was not pursued by LE. But also perhaps it could be upsetting for the victim. Or perhaps, and much more likely for these allegations, those particular ones no longer exist anymore. We are talking 20 plus years ago after all for some of the allegations, right? Anyone know how long they last? I have no experience of the things. I am beginning to wonder why they are even being mentioned if the jury is not going to need to see them.
I have no idea how long they last with frequent use on a regular basis on multiple people is the nicest way I can put that or let's just say when used by three times a day (or more). And by allegedly abusive perverts. Generally one just needs new batteries (if a battery operated one) which is why they are called BOBs by some... Battery operated boyfriend... Pretty common gift at say a birthday party, shower, etc. I have no vast experience with them but we all know what they are, at least a standard one. I'd also guess MOST people with a brain cell or who want to be safe wouldn't "share" them either but since they had an overworked man sanitizing them my guess is they were used plenty... And one other thing is if used in a shared manner, I'd almost bet the sharing was done with the abuse on the girls... I doubt the Lord and Lady of the Manor allowed shared use of anything used on them... Meaning if it was used on the girl, it was not then used on them right after unsanitized. Hard to avoid politics or sex talk in this case isn't it...

I could see reasons to allow it that may include unusual toys or favorites... If they liked a certain type of toy or one that inflicted pain or was used for one type of sex versus another then whether it still exists or was described by a victim and they had one and have another just like it would corroborate again some claims or at least that such existed and maybe a certain type of activity was preferred...? I haven't seen any pictures but did see a description or two like the two ended one and the pain the back massagers caused. I think there is relevance with that.

I mean at its core this is a sex abuse case.

Kind of an uncomfortable subject but touching on it brings the thought of what was used for birth control?? Did Maxwell or Epstein provide it, obtain it for the girls, etc.? Other than some not reliable types, one usually has to see a doctor to obtain it and on a fairly regular or annual basis... It might sound stupid but I'm curious did they use ONE doctor the pair sent them to or did the power and money allow them to obtain it without the girls being seen by a doctor...?
 
Just catching up here. I think most of the big names have lied about their relationship with Epstein. Thought this wasn't for political comments and opinions but you keep bringing up Trump and defending Clinton. I wouldn't be caught dead defending any of them quite honestly and certainly not the ones who apparently had Epstein frequent flier miles to use up regularly. Jmo.
I think MOST people associated with him have suddenly forgotten that they knew him
 
A 44-year-old former actress and model from the United Kingdom, “Kate” told the jury that she now works with women would live with trauma and substance abuse disorder. She said that she first met Maxwell in Paris, where she was introduced by a boyfriend. She testified about being invited to Maxwell’s for house for tea.

“I had a really lovely time, and I felt special, and I felt—,” Kate said, exhaling deeply before adding she felt “—that I found a new connection that could be very meaningful for me.”

“Kate” said that the meeting left her feeling “exhilarated” — like someone wanted to be her friend.

“She seemed very exciting,” the witness said of Maxwell. “She seemed to be everything I wanted to be.”

Maxwell allegedly introduced “Kate” to Epstein, and “Kate” quoting Maxwell telling her that “he was a philanthropist and that he liked to help young people.”

“She said that I was exactly the kind of person that [Epstein] would help,” “Kate” testified, referring to Maxwell.

“Kate” said that Maxwell introduced her to Epstein as “”the girl that I told you about” and remarked that “I was strangely strong for my size.”

Asked by the prosecutor what that size was, “Kate” responded that she was about 95 lbs.

“She said, ‘Why don’t you give his feet a little squeeze to show him how strong you are?'” the witness testified.

“Kate” said that she did and that Epstein reacted approvingly. Maxwell later told her that Epstein’s massage therapist canceled and asked if she could fill in, according to her testimony.

“Were you a massage therapist at the time?” Assistant U.S. Attorney Lara Elizabeth Pomerantz said.

“No,” the witness replied.

so what exactly did she think she was "exactly the kind of person he would help" mean? Help her with/to do what?
 
A 44-year-old former actress and model from the United Kingdom, “Kate” told the jury that she now works with women would live with trauma and substance abuse disorder. She said that she first met Maxwell in Paris, where she was introduced by a boyfriend. She testified about being invited to Maxwell’s for house for tea.

“I had a really lovely time, and I felt special, and I felt—,” Kate said, exhaling deeply before adding she felt “—that I found a new connection that could be very meaningful for me.”

“Kate” said that the meeting left her feeling “exhilarated” — like someone wanted to be her friend.

“She seemed very exciting,” the witness said of Maxwell. “She seemed to be everything I wanted to be.”

Maxwell allegedly introduced “Kate” to Epstein, and “Kate” quoting Maxwell telling her that “he was a philanthropist and that he liked to help young people.”

“She said that I was exactly the kind of person that [Epstein] would help,” “Kate” testified, referring to Maxwell.

“Kate” said that Maxwell introduced her to Epstein as “”the girl that I told you about” and remarked that “I was strangely strong for my size.”

Asked by the prosecutor what that size was, “Kate” responded that she was about 95 lbs.

“She said, ‘Why don’t you give his feet a little squeeze to show him how strong you are?'” the witness testified.

“Kate” said that she did and that Epstein reacted approvingly. Maxwell later told her that Epstein’s massage therapist canceled and asked if she could fill in, according to her testimony.

“Were you a massage therapist at the time?” Assistant U.S. Attorney Lara Elizabeth Pomerantz said.

“No,” the witness replied.

That's how grooming starts, right there!
 
so what exactly did she think she was "exactly the kind of person he would help" mean? Help her with/to do what?
So many predators seem to have an intuition on those who don't have a lot of self-confidence. I'm sure they make mistakes, but they are still keen on them. I actually learned about this kind of thing decades ago when I was going to ACA - Adult Children of Alcoholics.
 
I think too it said children of single mothers. Things like troubles at home, illness of a parent, financial problems at home seem to be the norm here. To me, that is targeting the more vulnerable...
 
Regarding birth control, did he actually rape the victims? If he didn't, then birth control would not be needed, I guess.
I thought at least one said that at some point but I may be thinking of one of the adult ones... So I guess I'm unsure... However, there were allegedly other men that visited, I imagine birth control would be a precaution...
 
Regarding birth control, did he actually rape the victims? If he didn't, then birth control would not be needed, I guess.
Well, this explains a bit why that wasn't possibly an issue. You don't need it this way, but it doesn't mean it wasn't sexual abuse.

 
Well, this explains a bit why that wasn't possibly an issue. You don't need it this way, but it doesn't mean it wasn't sexual abuse.

According to her account it was three weeks later when she visited them in Maxwell's Belgravia house in London. I have worked out who it is and who she was going out with at the time she was introduced to Maxwell. And who she is going out with now. She wasn't anonymous at the previous trial. I can post a link if it is allowed. It's not grooming or trafficking if they are over the age of consent is it? She was over 16. Her parents also have a home in Belgravia, I believe.
 
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According to her account it was three weeks later when she visited them in Maxwell's Belgravia house in London. I have worked out who it is and who she was going out with at the time she was introduced to Maxwell. She wasn't anonymous at the previous trial. I can post a link if it is allowed. It's not grooming or trafficking if they are over the age of consent is it? She was over 16.
They count in trafficking statistics, etc. adult women who have pimps and more. I looked it up in depth as many think trafficking means minors and if one looks at the fed government DOJ site where the federal cases are, there are tons of trafficking cases that are adults. And rape is rape. Of course charges regarding minors are more serious.

This is just my opinion as I don't have links at the moment but it is based on looking into it in this past year and it wasn't even in relation to this case.
 
They count in trafficking statistics, etc. adult women who have pimps and more. I looked it up in depth as many think trafficking means minors and if one looks at the fed government DOJ site where the federal cases are, there are tons of trafficking cases that are adults. And rape is rape. Of course charges regarding minors are more serious.

This is just my opinion as I don't have links at the moment but it is based on looking into it in this past year and it wasn't even in relation to this case.
They have stated in the trial today that she wasn't a victim in the indictment though. So I don't think she was groomed or trafficked. I posted the tweet earlier but here it is again.

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Judge Nathan said she will tell the jury: "I instruct you that the witness is not a victim of the crimes charged in the indictment." (So, though 'Kate' was one of four accusers, I am referring her to a witness here.)
 
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According to her account it was three weeks later when she visited them in Maxwell's Belgravia house in London. I have worked out who it is and who she was going out with at the time she was introduced to Maxwell. And who she is going out with now. She wasn't anonymous at the previous trial. I can post a link if it is allowed. It's not grooming or trafficking if they are over the age of consent is it? She was over 16. Her parents also have a home in Belgravia, I believe.
not the point I was making. It was about why no birth control and trafficking happens at any age.
 

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