Epstein, Maxwell et al: exposed in child sex trafficking

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Do we have a Jefferey Epstein thread?

www.nbcnewyork.com

Jeffrey Epstein Confidante Ghislaine Maxwell Arrested on Sex Abuse Charges

Ghislaine Maxwell, the British socialite and heiress who became a confidante of disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein and was later implicated in his alleged sexual crimes, has been arrested by the FBI. She was arrested in Bradford, New Hampshire, around 8:30 a.m. Thursday on charges she conspired...
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This tweet from yesterday indicates Annie never travelled on any Epstein flights so I am wondering how she got to New Mexico. There are some additional tweets to this that mention Wexner.
Inner City Press
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Everdell: And you never saw Annie Farmer in your planes, or your logs? Rogers: I did not. Everdell (after a time) I though it was later than it is. Judge Nathan: It just feels that way.
 
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Tresir said:
Is she testifying?

Here is Vanity Fair view of the case so far. They think the prosecution has blown it.

www.vanityfair.com

The Prosecution Is Fumbling Its Case Against Ghislaine Maxwell

Prosecutors say they plan to rest their case against Jeffrey Epstein’s associate by week’s end—a shocking move from a team that appears to have failed on a number of other fronts already.
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No, Sarah Ransome is not testifying. If you listen to the story she told in court it has the same narrative as this current case only the victims names are different. There is a direct pattern that has been established & if this case results in anything other than guilty than each case such as Sarah's or Virginia Roberts Giuffre doesn't make sense. All jmo.

Regarding Vanity Fair, this publication is based primarily on fashion industry, not government or law so IMO the article is someone's opinion not fact.
 
kdg411 said:
No, Sarah Ransome is not testifying. If you listen to the story she told in court it has the same narrative as this current case only the victims names are different. There is a direct pattern that has been established & if this case results in anything other than guilty than each case such as Sarah's or Virginia Roberts Giuffre doesn't make sense. All jmo.

Regarding Vanity Fair, this publication is based primarily on fashion industry, not government or law so IMO the article is someone's opinion not fact.
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If they are not prepared to testify then it has nothing to do with this case because the jury will not know about it and the book she is pushing. In my opinion, these girls like Virginia realised they could get just as much money by recruiting, so that is what some of them did. Carlolyn's boyfriend was a friend of Virginia's boyfriend, for example, and took Carolyn there and waited for her. She herself was too young to drive, he testified.
 
Tresir said:
If they are not prepared to testify then it has nothing to do with this case because the jury will not know about it and the book she is pushing. In my opinion, these girls like Virginia realised they could get just as much money by recruiting, so that is what some of them did. Carlolyn's boyfriend was a friend of Virginia's boyfriend, for example, and took Carolyn there and waited for her. She herself was too young to drive, he testified.
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getting money for recruiting is another form of trafficking
 
Tresir said:
If they are not prepared to testify then it has nothing to do with this case because the jury will not know about it and the book she is pushing. In my opinion, these girls like Virginia realised they could get just as much money by recruiting, so that is what some of them did. Carlolyn's boyfriend was a friend of Virginia's boyfriend, for example, and took Carolyn there and waited for her. She herself was too young to drive, he testified.
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Epstein & Maxwell settled 'out of court' on Sarah Ransome & Virginia Roberts Giuffre cases specifically. Why would the accused settle if they did not break any laws?

Both Epstein & Maxwell had soliticed young girls for their benefit by offering large sums of cash for their 'services'. This act is illegal in the United States.
 
kdg411 said:
Epstein & Maxwell settled 'out of court' on Sarah Ransome & Virginia Roberts Giuffre cases specifically. Why would the accused settle if they did not break any laws?

Both Epstein & Maxwell had soliticed young girls for their benefit by offering large sums of cash for their 'services'. This act is illegal in the United States.
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This has been rolling around in my thought life, too!
 
kdg411 said:
Epstein & Maxwell settled 'out of court' on Sarah Ransome & Virginia Roberts Giuffre cases specifically. Why would the accused settle if they did not break any laws?

Both Epstein & Maxwell had soliticed young girls for their benefit by offering large sums of cash for their 'services'. This act is illegal in the United States.
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Guiffre was a defamation case. I don't know about the Ransome case. My point is that the jury will have been vetted and would not be selected if they knew anything about prior cases. If the victims get a settlement from the estate, they have to agree to drop any litigation.

Why would they settle? That's often what happens in civil litigation. They come to an agreement to end the dispute. It doesn't mean fault is on one side or the other but it is often because it is going to save both sides large lawyer fees.

My opinion.
 
eu.statesman.com

Fact-check: Are reporters at the Ghislaine Maxwell trial?

Many reporters are covering the Ghislaine Maxwell trial, despite claims otherwise
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From the article.

"Ghislaine Maxwell was a friend of financier Jeffrey Epstein and she is accused of helping him sexually abuse minors. She has pleaded not guilty to federal charges of sex trafficking a minor, sex trafficking conspiracy, transporting a minor for the purposes of criminal sexual activity, and conspiring to entice minors to travel to engage in illegal sex acts."

So the minors involved in the charges so far are Jane and Carolyn. If Annie Farmer testifies, then the judge has already stated that she was not a minor in New Mexico. We don't yet know how she travelled to New Mexico.
Jane and Carolyn were minors but both lived in Palm Beach so i think this means they did not travel. So the charges that relate to transporting and travel do not seem to have been proved as yet imo. The conspiracy charge and sex trafficking a minor I don't know enough about so I will await the summing up on those.
 
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While we await what is happening in court today I have been trying to find the settlement agreement made by Epstein regarding his plea deal. Anyone know if it has been made public and whether the defence will be bringing it into evidence? Presumably, if they find her guilty they won't be able to give Maxwell a stiffer sentence than Epstein. Does anyone know the answers on that?

While searching I found this legal blog which discusses some issues regarding protection for others. The blog does not mention Maxwell but some of the case law could be relevant in my opinion. If not considered relevant, please delete.

www.farorelaw.co.uk

Prince Andrew Settlement Agreements

Prince Andrew Settlement Agreements
www.farorelaw.co.uk www.farorelaw.co.uk
 
Tresir said:
While we await what is happening in court today I have been trying to find the settlement agreement made by Epstein regarding his plea deal. Anyone know if it has been made public and whether the defence will be bringing it into evidence? Presumably, if they find her guilty they won't be able to give Maxwell a stiffer sentence than Epstein. Does anyone know the answers on that?

While searching I found this legal blog which discusses some issues regarding protection for others. The blog does not mention Maxwell but some of the case law could be relevant in my opinion. If not considered relevant, please delete.

www.farorelaw.co.uk

Prince Andrew Settlement Agreements

Prince Andrew Settlement Agreements
www.farorelaw.co.uk www.farorelaw.co.uk
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In regards to Epsteins plea deal, are you referring to the one he signed in 2007?
 
kdg411 said:
In regards to Epsteins plea deal, are you referring to the one he signed in 2007?
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I thought it was 2008 but is there more than one? I have read links where they have been attempting to get it made public but nothing available so far. It is the one that protects four others in it.

This is from the Sept 2021 blog above which may make it clear which settlement agreement - it mentions 2009.

(see the copyright blog above)
 
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I thought it was 2008 but is there more than one? I have read links where they have been attempting to get it made public but nothing available so far. It is the one that protects four others in it.
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Epstein signed it in 2007 however it wasn't entered into the court record until 2008.

I've attached the npa as it's identified in Pacer, the Federal court records service. Let me know if this is what you were inquiring about.
 

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kdg411 said:
Epstein signed it in 2007 however it wasn't entered into the court record until 2008.

I've attached the npa as it's identified in Pacer, the Federal court records service. Let me know if this is what you were inquiring about.
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Thanks for that. I now see the wording I am interested in. It states it protects any potential co-conspirators including but not limited to (four names given). And D. has claimed it covers himself and P.A. I am expecting defence lawyers will also argue this for Maxwell too. That was why I was interested in the wording. This has only been signed by two defence lawyers so we cannot be sure it was the final wording however. Guess we will have to wait. :bored::impatient:
 
Annie Farmer says she met Epstein in New York but not Maxwell.

Adam Klasfeld
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The government introduces a photograph of herself from around the time she met Jeffrey Epstein. She says she was 16 years old in the photograph.


Adam Klasfeld
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Q: Where did you meet Epstein? A: At his home. "It was a very grand home. I was staying with my sister in her apartment."

Continued at Twitter feed above.

Alternative Twitter feed below may have more detail.

 
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Thanks for that. I now see the wording I am interested in. It states it protects any potential co-conspirators including but not limited to (four names given). And D. has claimed it covers himself and P.A. I am expecting defence lawyers will also argue this for Maxwell too. That was why I was interested in the wording. This has only been signed by two defence lawyers so we cannot be sure it was the final wording however. Guess we will have to wait. :bored::impatient:
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Per another recorded document filed in Pacer, here is an excerpt from the CVRA. Case 9:08-cv-80736-KAM (page 18)

Among other provisions, the NPA expanded immunity to any “potential co-
conspirator” of Epstein’s: “In consideration of Epstein’s agreement to plead guilty and to provide compensation in the manner described above, if Epstein successfully fulfills all of the terms and conditions of this agreement, the United States also agrees that it will not institute any criminal charges against any potential co-conspirators of Epstein, including but not limited to Sarah Kellen, Adriana Ross, Lesley Groff, or Nadia Marcinkova.”
 
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