Epstein, Maxwell et al: exposed in child sex trafficking

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Do we have a Jefferey Epstein thread?

 
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I hope it is ok to post this one here as the opposite example. It is about Dylan Farrow. This was not a repressed memory but she was told it was a false memory and nothing happened.


I had never heard of Danny Masterson but quickly got up to speed on that. That appears to be rape accusations where he drugged and raped them. The Scientology Church is also involved and does not seem to be a memory issue apart from being drugged at the time. They knew they were raped I believe.

Out of interest I checked and the UK has no statute of limitations on criminal offences. This is one case that has recently been tried and convictions achieved from 1975/76 offences.


As a reminder, there is no mention of the UK incident in Guiffre's civil suit, I do not think but I will have to recap that. I think it is just NY and the VI that are mentioned from my memory.
One could almost swap Epstein and Maxwell out for Hugh Heffner imo. Most of these have fame, power and money in common, not that it doesn't happen to others but the big ones we hear about are these of course.

The woman who said she was naive and not worldly is one point and then of course we have to add the coercion or grooming over time while simultaneously maybe enjoying the lifestyle.

Yeah Masterson periodically comes in and out of the news. Even though it has coverage, it sometimes doesn't seem like as much as it should have. There are many like Cosby, Weinstein and more. Matt Lauer. All are different of course, no two cases are alike, they may be rape, years back, recent, sexual harassment...

One may as well liken Playboy to the casting couch in Hollywood. If you say no, you are pretty much dead as an actress or done for in one way or another. But it launches careers and they have a nice lifestyle... And the way people and media and probably other big wigs glamorized Playboy, bunnies, and used thoughts like empowerment, freedom of expression and speech, etc. always sickened me but the image was so entrenched...

Early, not much coffee or time, only read the Playboy article skimming. A lot of conversation could be had and points made but things like these are by nature different than being raped in a back alley by a stranger. Again it comes down to coercion, grooming and the term coercive control is starting to take root and one hears it more these days.
 
I think you looked at the Murdaugh case back here a bit when I mentioned it, at least I think it was you. If you want a new one to follow of powerful dynasties for instance, that would be one. So much has happened since I first mentioned it and it keeps coming and coming and is about as hard or harder to keep track of than this one as to names, places, incidents, etc. Now in that one the only element missing is sex and I keep waiting for it. It seems there is always a sexual component but it has all the rest... Drugs, smuggling, deaths, a major scheme of stealing money... Spanning decades and at least a few generations it is starting to look like...
 
One could almost swap Epstein and Maxwell out for Hugh Heffner imo. Most of these have fame, power and money in common, not that it doesn't happen to others but the big ones we hear about are these of course.

The woman who said she was naive and not worldly is one point and then of course we have to add the coercion or grooming over time while simultaneously maybe enjoying the lifestyle.

Yeah Masterson periodically comes in and out of the news. Even though it has coverage, it sometimes doesn't seem like as much as it should have. There are many like Cosby, Weinstein and more. Matt Lauer. All are different of course, no two cases are alike, they may be rape, years back, recent, sexual harassment...

One may as well liken Playboy to the casting couch in Hollywood. If you say no, you are pretty much dead as an actress or done for in one way or another. But it launches careers and they have a nice lifestyle... And the way people and media and probably other big wigs glamorized Playboy, bunnies, and used thoughts like empowerment, freedom of expression and speech, etc. always sickened me but the image was so entrenched...

Early, not much coffee or time, only read the Playboy article skimming. A lot of conversation could be had and points made but things like these are by nature different than being raped in a back alley by a stranger. Again it comes down to coercion, grooming and the term coercive control is starting to take root and one hears it more these days.
Your portion that I bolded. That is why people get away with this. I'm not saying you think it's okay. But as long as society puts up with "high class rape" it's going to be a problem. It's that way with almost all criminal offenses. The rich, the powerful, the famous? They have a different set of rules. Off my soapbox.
 
Prince Andrew has settled with Virginia Giuffre!


A lawsuit accusing Britain's Prince Andrew of sexually assaulting an underage girl while she was under the control of sex criminal Jeffrey Epstein and his procurer Ghislaine Maxwell has been settled out of court, a court filing revealed Tuesday.

The sum of the money that Andrew has agreed to pay his accuser Virginia Giuffre was not disclosed in the filing, which also said the prince also will make "a substantial donation to Ms. Giuffre's charity in support of victims' rights."

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In a letter to Judge Lewis Kaplan, Giuffre's high-powered lawyer David Boies wrote, "We write jointly with counsel for defendant to advise the Court that the parties reached a settlement in principle of the above-referenced action."

"The parties anticipate filing a stipulation of dismissal of the case within thirty (30) days," Boies wrote. "In the interim, the parties request that the Court suspend all deadlines and hold the action in abeyance."

A document referenced in the letter, which was attached to the filing, said, "Virginia Giuffre and Prince Andrew have reached an out of court settlement."
 
I just heard it on the radio. It was the top news item. No liability admitted and the settlement money is to go to a charity for abuse victims. Probably a fair middle of the road decision for them both I think. Here's the BBC news link.

 
I was not expecting this.

I did wonder when he sold the Swiss Chalet back to the owner he bought it from. In a year or so he will probably buy it back. I think he owned the top floor and the Duchess owns the bottom.

Here's an article on the Chalet. He had 9m debt on it and settled that so he could sell it for 17m. The difference is 8m shared by both him and Fergie. 4m each so I think he could have settled for that 4m. MOO off course. And if he can, I guess he will buy it back at some point, I bet.


Now, coming to edit as I have had another thought. Maxwell settled with Giuffre but was then charged criminally. Could the same happen with Prince Andrew?

And a second thought. Boies was doing the case pro bono, I think, so would he get a percentage of the settlement so the charity would get less or is he really doing it for nothing? I hope media address this.
 
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Your portion that I bolded. That is why people get away with this. I'm not saying you think it's okay. But as long as society puts up with "high class rape" it's going to be a problem. It's that way with almost all criminal offenses. The rich, the powerful, the famous? They have a different set of rules. Off my soapbox.
Oh you have it right. I don't agree with it either. I said that for that very reason. It is so true. I thought little of the Playboy thing as well through life but then how do you say that when the world takes this attitude put forth by such types and media that it is almost empowering for women??? Yeah right. That has always been my silent opinion of it through my lifetime and if I feel that way imagine how someone who fell into it or wants out feels... They just stay silent if they get out...

We are light years away from ever getting there and in some ways I feel things have slid backwards... And then there are women even that think the "girl" had it coming... It's not just rape though, look at someone who is "someone" on trial who murdered someone "less" than they... I mean it goes on everywhere still... They don't get treated like the local drugged up thug who murdered someone, no one can BELIEVE they would do such a thing.

I get a bit peeved at types that I think just suck up to anyone with a name or in power or the follow they herd.

But yes, a back alley rape versus the captain of the football team, the leader at the university of the lacrosse team, wealthy parents, etc. Or these old men types and who they know, wealth, power, influence, in these cases...
 
I did wonder when he sold the Swiss Chalet back to the owner he bought it from. In a year or so he will probably buy it back. I think he owned the top floor and the Duchess owns the bottom.

Here's an article on the Chalet. He had 9m debt on it and settled that so he could sell it for 17m. The difference is 8m shared by both him and Fergie. 4m each so I think he could have settled for that 4m. MOO off course. And if he can, I guess he will buy it back at some point, I bet.


Now, coming to edit as I have had another thought. Maxwell settled with Giuffre but was then charged criminally. Could the same happen with Prince Andrew?

And a second thought. Boies was doing the case pro bono, I think, so would he get a percentage of the settlement so the charity would get less or is he really doing it for nothing? I hope media address this.
Hard to say what he would get. If he promised to donate $____ to her charity, then that much would go to her charity imo regardless of what the lawyer charged or the agreement was with the lawyer, she won't get docked from their side but she will from her side. Her lawyers would get a portion of her settlement, at least that's how it works here I think. He wasn't the one suing for a damage award, she was.

So his lawyer was pro bono? As a friend or for the publicity? Here he would pay the lawyer by the hour, etc. but if he were the plaintiff an attorney would take on an "if we get a settlement, I get 1/3 kind of basis, if no settlement no money and she would be the one in those shoes not him.
 
Hard to say what he would get. If he promised to donate $____ to her charity, then that much would go to her charity imo regardless of what the lawyer charged or the agreement was with the lawyer, she won't get docked from their side but she will from her side. Her lawyers would get a portion of her settlement, at least that's how it works here I think. He wasn't the one suing for a damage award, she was.

So his lawyer was pro bono? As a friend or for the publicity? Here he would pay the lawyer by the hour, etc. but if he were the plaintiff an attorney would take on an "if we get a settlement, I get 1/3 kind of basis, if no settlement no money and she would be the one in those shoes not him.
No her lawyer was pro bono. I probably didn't explain it right.
 
No her lawyer was pro bono. I probably didn't explain it right.
Oh so Boies was her lawyer. I don't know the lawyer's names much. I think because you were talking about him in the first part and his house, etc. and buying it back, I thought you meant Andrew when referring to the atty. It has been a long day here. And if I was up on the lawyer's names, I likely would have realized.

So my mistake.

In that sense, I guess we'd have to know their deal (lawyer and her) and what the terms of the settlement are. Was her attorney pro bono or was the attorney if we get a settlement, I take this much type of attorney but it is free otherwise?

Yeah, I was totally thinking you meant Andrew's attorney.
 
Oh so Boies was her lawyer. I don't know the lawyer's names much. I think because you were talking about him in the first part and his house, etc. and buying it back, I thought you meant Andrew when referring to the atty. It has been a long day here. And if I was up on the lawyer's names, I likely would have realized.

So my mistake.

In that sense, I guess we'd have to know their deal (lawyer and her) and what the terms of the settlement are. Was her attorney pro bono or was the attorney if we get a settlement, I take this much type of attorney but it is free otherwise?

Yeah, I was totally thinking you meant Andrew's attorney.
Boies is the pro bono lawyer for about 8 Epstein victims including Guiffre and Farmer. He is also Harvey Weinstein's lawyer (probably not pro bono for him). I'll add a link about Boies.

 
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Boies is the pro bono lawyer for about 8 Epstein victims including Guiffre and Farmer. He is also Harvey Weinstein's lawyer (probably not pro bono for him). I'll add a link about Boies.

Weinstein too, wow, he kind of goes for both sides.

I've certainly heard the name just not paid a lot of attention.
 
Emily Maitlis, who did the TV interview with Prince Andrew, almost seems to regret that the case has not gone to trial.

It is a bit of deflation. Hype and then nothing. Personally, I take it as guilt on his part. Not proof, don't get me wrong, just opinion, but he avoided depositions and all this way so we learn no more. And perhaps that protects others as well...
 

"When it was revealed that Mr Brettler was to represent the prince, social media users were quick to point out his history of defending rich and powerful men accused of sexual abuse.
His response to this is simple - everyone has the right to legal defence and a fair trial.
"Public allegations of sexual assault or similar misconduct, especially since the dawn of the #MeToo era, are very powerful," he said.
"Defending those who have been publicly accused of such wrongdoing has become harder because the fundamental notion of 'innocent until proven guilty' has been turned on its head."
Mr Brettler has previously said he has never been busier since the #MeToo dam burst."
 

Jean-Luc Brunel, a French modeling agent accused of procuring underage women for Jeffrey Epstein, was found hanged in his Paris jail cell—in a shocking replay of how Epstein himself died, French newspapers reported.

The 76-year-old was found during a night-time check by guards at La Santé early Saturday, officials told Le Monde.

His attorneys told the paper that the apparent suicide “was not driven by guilt, but by a deep sense of injustice.”
 

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