Four students murdered at University of Idaho *ARREST*

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Got my Masters degree from here. :(

Killer who stabbed 4 Idaho students to death still at large​

The killer — or killers — who stabbed four University of Idaho students to death remained at large Tuesday, prompting many students to leave the campus in the idyllic small town despite police assurances that there was no imminent risk to the community.

So many students had left the scenic tree-lined campus in Moscow, Idaho, by Tuesday that university officials said a candlelight vigil scheduled for the next day would instead be held after the Thanksgiving break.

The students, all close friends, were found dead in an off-campus rental home around noon on Sunday, and officials said they likely were killed several hours earlier. Latah County Coroner Cathy Mabbutt told the Spokane, Washington-based television station KXLY that her preliminary investigation showed the students were stabbed to death. There is no indication that substance use was involved in the deaths, Mabbutt said.
 
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This was also in the release posted above.

Moscow police: University of Idaho killings not linked to stabbings in Oregon, Washington

Moscow police said in a short statement Friday night that the killings of four University of Idaho students do not appear to be tied to similar stabbings that occurred in Oregon and Washington.

In a news release, the Moscow Police Department said it has received “numerous media inquiries” about possible similarities between the Nov. 13 homicides and a 1999 double stabbing in Pullman, Washington, as well as a 2021 double stabbing in Salem, Oregon, where one person died.

“While these cases share similarities with the King Street homicides, there does not appear to be any evidence to support the cases are related,” police said.
 
I watched this show last night on a YouTube channel and it was interesting. Also, I can't remember if it was this show or another, but someone said the roommates were not necessarily in their own rooms when killed. I've always wondered if the girls didn't fall asleep in one room, since they had been drinking and were awake so late into the night/early morning..

 
I personally wonder if anyone was up. And never assumed they were all necessarily in their rooms. I think there is a LOT LE is not sharing that may be far different than what we are all thinking.

In fact, I still think the perp could have even been allowed to enter or invited in, etc. or even invited over. Have we heard one thing that would negate that?

Ed Wallace, an expert NY forensic guy who is always on with Duty Ron believes the substance dripping on the outside of the house is blood.

Also they were referring to a YTer who said Dylan actually had changed rooms and perhaps had the empty room on the 2nd level of the three... If so that puts her (surviving roommate) on the same floor as Ethan and Xana. I didn't get to see it all so am unsure where that info came from.

I personally believe the cops have a suspect but are not saying so. However, I could be way off on that but I HOPE that is why the lack of info, etc.

While it really hasn't been a long time when considering how long some investigations take, it seems too long because four murders, a timeline, and a supposedly messy crime scene seems that it would be enough to quickly get the perp off the streets even if they continue to investigate once charged. So I do have to wonder if my thought is correct that they know who their perp is...

It SOUNDS like there was definitely one target or at least that it was targeted. That came up again with Kaylee's dad saying so and that LE won't tell them who the target was or how they know that...

Also I guess Ethan and Xana had only been dating since like spring or early summer so that wasn't a long term relationship. I didn't think they were likely the targets or one of them but who knows....

I still believe it is personal. I believe it is an ex-bf. Aside from that I am still not convinced it was not someone from that night at the bar or the food truck or the ride.

I do not think it is a stranger type of serial killer. The fact it was targeted also works against that and for a personal revenge motive. However, I did expect and do expect to see an arrest in fairly short order if such is the case. And it hasn't happened yet.

So....
 
I personally wonder if anyone was up. And never assumed they were all necessarily in their rooms. I think there is a LOT LE is not sharing that may be far different than what we are all thinking.

In fact, I still think the perp could have even been allowed to enter or invited in, etc. or even invited over. Have we heard one thing that would negate that?

Ed Wallace, an expert NY forensic guy who is always on with Duty Ron believes the substance dripping on the outside of the house is blood.

Also they were referring to a YTer who said Dylan actually had changed rooms and perhaps had the empty room on the 2nd level of the three... If so that puts her (surviving roommate) on the same floor as Ethan and Xana. I didn't get to see it all so am unsure where that info came from.

I personally believe the cops have a suspect but are not saying so. However, I could be way off on that but I HOPE that is why the lack of info, etc.

While it really hasn't been a long time when considering how long some investigations take, it seems too long because four murders, a timeline, and a supposedly messy crime scene seems that it would be enough to quickly get the perp off the streets even if they continue to investigate once charged. So I do have to wonder if my thought is correct that they know who their perp is...

It SOUNDS like there was definitely one target or at least that it was targeted. That came up again with Kaylee's dad saying so and that LE won't tell them who the target was or how they know that...

Also I guess Ethan and Xana had only been dating since like spring or early summer so that wasn't a long term relationship. I didn't think they were likely the targets or one of them but who knows....

I still believe it is personal. I believe it is an ex-bf. Aside from that I am still not convinced it was not someone from that night at the bar or the food truck or the ride.

I do not think it is a stranger type of serial killer. The fact it was targeted also works against that and for a personal revenge motive. However, I did expect and do expect to see an arrest in fairly short order if such is the case. And it hasn't happened yet.

So....
I am also wondering if it was somebody that was invited over, possibly bringing the party home.
 
I am also wondering if it was somebody that was invited over, possibly bringing the party home.
I think it is definitely a possibility. It sounds as if the parties were constant.

I have also heard mention of one of the surviving roommates having a bf but I am unclear on whether he stayed with her that night. I believe I heard they took or looked in his car. This was new to me. Perhaps they looked at everyone's, hard to say. If his car was there does that mean he was in the home too. They seem to exclude the roommates as suspects but if one had someone staying with her, that doesn't exclude him now does it...

That is also an unknown. LE has NEVER said these six people were the only people in the home as far as I know.

Another tidbit is that someone's mother, I think Xana's(?) said the roommates or one of them allegedly did hear something that night/early morn.

Everything in this case is questionable.

The roommates heard nothing and did not awaken. Now they did. Now one may not have even slept on the ground floor but had a different room.

The girls took an Uber, then they did not or did they....

Kaylee's sister gives one timeline and the police another. Just minutes apart but it bothers her greatly.

First the victims were all asleep and then they were not and still who knows...

Two victims found on each of the two floors but then it is said some weren't in their rooms, etc.

What is not said is biggest to me. There is a whole lot unsaid in this one. No clue if there was a party after or not. No clue where Xana and Ethan were in the missing time frame. No clue who the driver was. They say little about the ex bf of Kaylee. The dog was mentioned as found later but with no real detail about what that meant. I could go on.

The thing is this is not protecting the investigation when they don't share things that wouldn't affect it and already have shared things the perp knows they know. A big one is saying it was targeted. This means the perp knows they know who his target was and for what purpose most likely and very likely knows who he is. They have named the weapon and so he knows they are aware of that too and will likely ditch it if he hasn't already.

I feel fairly certain they know who their perp is. I just don't understand why they are not taking him off the streets. It bothered me in Quinton's case too and in that one they named their suspect. They wanted to find his body though and in this case we don't have the need to do that.
 
I personally wonder if anyone was up. And never assumed they were all necessarily in their rooms. I think there is a LOT LE is not sharing that may be far different than what we are all thinking.

In fact, I still think the perp could have even been allowed to enter or invited in, etc. or even invited over. Have we heard one thing that would negate that?

Ed Wallace, an expert NY forensic guy who is always on with Duty Ron believes the substance dripping on the outside of the house is blood.

Also they were referring to a YTer who said Dylan actually had changed rooms and perhaps had the empty room on the 2nd level of the three... If so that puts her (surviving roommate) on the same floor as Ethan and Xana. I didn't get to see it all so am unsure where that info came from.

I personally believe the cops have a suspect but are not saying so. However, I could be way off on that but I HOPE that is why the lack of info, etc.

While it really hasn't been a long time when considering how long some investigations take, it seems too long because four murders, a timeline, and a supposedly messy crime scene seems that it would be enough to quickly get the perp off the streets even if they continue to investigate once charged. So I do have to wonder if my thought is correct that they know who their perp is...

It SOUNDS like there was definitely one target or at least that it was targeted. That came up again with Kaylee's dad saying so and that LE won't tell them who the target was or how they know that...

Also I guess Ethan and Xana had only been dating since like spring or early summer so that wasn't a long term relationship. I didn't think they were likely the targets or one of them but who knows....

I still believe it is personal. I believe it is an ex-bf. Aside from that I am still not convinced it was not someone from that night at the bar or the food truck or the ride.

I do not think it is a stranger type of serial killer. The fact it was targeted also works against that and for a personal revenge motive. However, I did expect and do expect to see an arrest in fairly short order if such is the case. And it hasn't happened yet.

So....
I watched that vlog and I've watched the channel of the ex LE who did the walk through the house. Duty Ron did say that Johnny Law had some facts wrong, and that might have meant the surviving roommates, not sure. He didn't really clarify. But like most of us have realized, it's hard to know what facts are facts at all and I've even seen interviews with Kaylee's dad saying the same.

l am more convinced that the stains coming down from Xana's room are most likely blood. :( Wallace was an architect before getting into LE and he explained where the electrical box was and how the conduit would be electrical. There's also no venting for oil heating.

Here's the video for anyone who has time to watch:
 
The vlog I posted above me has the whole video of the girls at the food truck. There's a new interview out there with a guy who was there and it seems a bit "off" to me. That's all I'm going to say because I can make excuses for his comments as much as I can criticize them. I'll let y'all decide.

(Now I can't find the darn thing. Check back later and I'll put it in this post).
 
The vlog I posted above me has the whole video of the girls at the food truck. There's a new interview out there with a guy who was there and it seems a bit "off" to me. That's all I'm going to say because I can make excuses for his comments as much as I can criticize them. I'll let y'all decide.

(Now I can't find the darn thing. Check back later and I'll put it in this post).
That guy is shady as all get out.
 
The vlog I posted above me has the whole video of the girls at the food truck. There's a new interview out there with a guy who was there and it seems a bit "off" to me. That's all I'm going to say because I can make excuses for his comments as much as I can criticize them. I'll let y'all decide.

(Now I can't find the darn thing. Check back later and I'll put it in this post).

Is this (below) the interview that you're referring to? Or is there a new one?
I actually thought this one cleared things up a bit for me, not made me suspect him more.


This one is interesting in that it focuses on one of the guys that was at the food truck, and what they observed. And then the end of it has a possible profile of the killer.

 
I watched that vlog and I've watched the channel of the ex LE who did the walk through the house. Duty Ron did say that Johnny Law had some facts wrong, and that might have meant the surviving roommates, not sure. He didn't really clarify. But like most of us have realized, it's hard to know what facts are facts at all and I've even seen interviews with Kaylee's dad saying the same.

l am more convinced that the stains coming down from Xana's room are most likely blood. :( Wallace was an architect before getting into LE and he explained where the electrical box was and how the conduit would be electrical. There's also no venting for oil heating.

Here's the video for anyone who has time to watch:

I never thought the remark of it being oil sounded right for more than a few reasons. Yeah, I heard that part too, it is not a heat pipe, etc. He also remarked to a question that the blood in that cooler weather would slow, etc. on hitting cooler air/temp.
 
The vlog I posted above me has the whole video of the girls at the food truck. There's a new interview out there with a guy who was there and it seems a bit "off" to me. That's all I'm going to say because I can make excuses for his comments as much as I can criticize them. I'll let y'all decide.

(Now I can't find the darn thing. Check back later and I'll put it in this post).
Okay, here's who I'm talking about. The article came out last week, yes. Last night was the first night I watched the Twitch video, so I need to go back and identify the guy who spoke out. I just didn't think the girls seemed drunk enough to warrant an "eww" comment.

"The local claimed Goncalves appeared inebriated, adding: "The taller girl with the pink on, she was glass-eyed. I audibly said 'Eww' out loud. She was just stumbling through."

Vidot left the club and went outside to the Grub Bus, a popular fast-food truck, with a friend.

Goncalves and Mogen showed up later, along with a man wearing a hoodie who police do not believe was involved in the murders."
 
This video is pretty long and I watched it while doing other things around the house. It has all the interviews with family so far, plus pressers at the end. It's a good resource of information out there.


Yes, she is good and does good research and puts together case files. Very interesting but keeps speculation and conversation sane.

I saw this one come up but haven't had time to watch it.
 
Isn’t he? Okay, I’m not being harsh with my thinking, then.
He said eew. Then referring to other bar patrons he called them a bunch of drunk zombies referring to those who would be coming to the grub truck. And then he made a point of saying he aws 100 percent sober.

He sets off a vibe to me too, one of that he has a feeling of superiority with such remarks...

He is not off my mind as someone who was around the girls that night either... This is the big guy who was in the video is it not?
 
He said eew. Then referring to other bar patrons he called them a bunch of drunk zombies referring to those who would be coming to the grub truck. And then he made a point of saying he aws 100 percent sober.

He sets off a vibe to me too, one of that he has a feeling of superiority with such remarks...

He is not off my mind as someone who was around the girls that night either... This is the big guy who was in the video is it not?
Yeah, like one of the vloggers said, "he's judgey". I'm wondering why he was out at a bar so early in the morning if seeing drunk people is such a turn off. And again, I watched the whole Twitch video and the girls weren't stumbling around, IMO.
 
Here's a tad more info about the dog:

In the two weeks since four University of Idaho students were discovered fatally stabbed inside their King Road home, swaths of social media users are questioning, among other things, whether one of the victim’s dogs was heard barking at the time of the attacks. The answer, some speculate, could indicate whether the animal might have been familiar with the attacker, who has evaded police since the Nov. 13 tragedy.

However, Aaron Snell, director of communications for the Idaho State Police, told Fox News Digital investigators "have made no confirmation on the dog," other than that it was in the residence when officers arrived just before noon.

Snell was responding on Sunday to a question asking if police had confirmed that the animal was "not barking," as some have speculated.

 
Yeah, like one of the vloggers said, "he's judgey". I'm wondering why he was out at a bar so early in the morning if seeing drunk people is such a turn off. And again, I watched the whole Twitch video and the girls weren't stumbling around, IMO.
Judgmental for sure. And I have/had the same thoughts. If he dislikes drunks what is he doing out in a bar at that hour. He was apparently showing a new female to the area the town or some such it sounds like. Well why would he want to take her to a bar and a food truck where there were drunks? All very strange.

I agree they weren't stumbling, at least in the food truck video, and they were managing, conversing and ordering, etc. and they got themselves home safe via whatever ride it was.
 

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