Four students murdered at University of Idaho *ARREST*

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Got my Masters degree from here.

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/nation-world/national/article268771952.html

Killer who stabbed 4 Idaho students to death still at large​

The killer — or killers — who stabbed four University of Idaho students to death remained at large Tuesday, prompting many students to leave the campus in the idyllic small town despite police assurances that there was no imminent risk to the community.

So many students had left the scenic tree-lined campus in Moscow, Idaho, by Tuesday that university officials said a candlelight vigil scheduled for the next day would instead be held after the Thanksgiving break.

The students, all close friends, were found dead in an off-campus rental home around noon on Sunday, and officials said they likely were killed several hours earlier. Latah County Coroner Cathy Mabbutt told the Spokane, Washington-based television station KXLY that her preliminary investigation showed the students were stabbed to death. There is no indication that substance use was involved in the deaths, Mabbutt said.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Here's a tad more info about the dog:

In the two weeks since four University of Idaho students were discovered fatally stabbed inside their King Road home, swaths of social media users are questioning, among other things, whether one of the victim’s dogs was heard barking at the time of the attacks. The answer, some speculate, could indicate whether the animal might have been familiar with the attacker, who has evaded police since the Nov. 13 tragedy.

However, Aaron Snell, director of communications for the Idaho State Police, told Fox News Digital investigators "have made no confirmation on the dog," other than that it was in the residence when officers arrived just before noon.

Snell was responding on Sunday to a question asking if police had confirmed that the animal was "not barking," as some have speculated.

Idaho student murders: Police say rumors that dog did not bark during attack are not confirmed

Idaho police investigating the violent murders of four local university students have so far not confirmed whether the dog inside the home was barking around the time of the slayings.

www.q13fox.com

I think it a bit ridiculous to think one could tell much if the dog barked or not so surprised that is an obsession with anyone.

I wonder about the dog for a different reason. It was the dog shared by Kaylee and her bf and he was the one they were calling for some reason in the wee hours. I also wonder where it was found, inside, outside the home, shut in a room, etc.

Even a stranger could have gained entry when the girls or someone let the dog out on arriving home if they were lying in wait.

Not that I think it was a stranger but it is plausible.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Duty Ron is on now and they have a picture showing there was no red substance at the end of October on this home. More convinced than ever and I already was, that it is blood.

There are still people on there claiming it is oil. Smh.

 

[Guess Who]

Judgmental for sure. And I have/had the same thoughts. If he dislikes drunks what is he doing out in a bar at that hour. He was apparently showing a new female to the area the town or some such it sounds like. Well why would he want to take her to a bar and a food truck where there were drunks? All very strange.

I agree they weren't stumbling, at least in the food truck video, and they were managing, conversing and ordering, etc. and they got themselves home safe via whatever ride it was.

That doesn't mean that they didn't stop drinking after they got back to continue the party though. Or if other room mates weren't already partying at the home when they got back...etc. I'm still leaning to that the person was invited to at least some degree.

 

[Guess Who]

I think it a bit ridiculous to think one could tell much if the dog barked or not so surprised that is an obsession with anyone.

I wonder about the dog for a different reason. It was the dog shared by Kaylee and her bf and he was the one they were calling for some reason in the wee hours. I also wonder where it was found, inside, outside the home, shut in a room, etc.

Even a stranger could have gained entry when the girls or someone let the dog out on arriving home if they were lying in wait.

Not that I think it was a stranger but it is plausible.

some dogs just plain don't bark much at all, so barking or not barking really doesn't mean much unless people knew that particular dog really well. If it was used to people coming in all the time, it most likely wouldn't bark much.

 

[Kimster]

Duty Ron is on now and they have a picture showing there was no red substance at the end of October on this home. More convinced than ever and I already was, that it is blood.

There are still people on there claiming it is oil. Smh.

I was just watching that and coming in to provide the link. It looks like we know what it is now, and it’s not oil.

 

[RoundPeg]

some dogs just plain don't bark much at all, so barking or not barking really doesn't mean much unless people knew that particular dog really well. If it was used to people coming in all the time, it most likely wouldn't bark much.

I always thought our youngest dog was a noisy little thing. After our oldest dog died in January, we found out she's extremely quiet. She apparently only barked when the big dog barked.

 

[Guess Who]

I always thought our youngest dog was a noisy little thing. After our oldest dog died in January, we found out she's extremely quiet. She apparently only barked when the big dog barked.

There are very few instances that I would bet on if my dog would bark at something or not. Like kids, they will prove you wrong!

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

911 calls in Idaho college town include reports of 'blood,' 'unusual circumstances'

Police calls reporting suspicious people and circumstances poured in last week, offering a glimpse into a community gripped by fear since four University of Idaho students were murdered.

www.foxnews.com

The small town of Moscow, Idaho, received a deluge of calls last week reporting suspicious activity and requesting welfare checks after four University of Idaho students were savagely stabbed to death in a home near campus, according to the recently released 911 logs.

The owner of the Sud Zee's laundromat dialed 911 on Nov. 23 to report a "mark on the column inside that looks like blood." An officer responded but did not take a report.

A woman called police two days later at 6:14 p.m. to report that "someone keeps shining a light into her window" and that an unknown person had repeatedly banged on her door the prior week.

Police responded but didn't take a report, the log says.

A total of 77 calls came in from Nov. 23 to Nov. 27, offering a glimpse into a community gripped by fear since Ethan Chapin, 20, Xana Kernodle, 20, Madison Mogen, 21, and Kaylee Goncalves, 21, were murdered Nov. 13 after 3 a.m. in a rental house on King Road near campus.

Since the quadruple homicide, the Moscow Police Department has received a total of 78 calls for unusual circumstances and 36 requesting welfare checks – an increase from 70 and 18, respectively, for all of October, according to a press release.

On Nov. 24, a caller reported that a female employee at Shari's Cafe and Pies received a menacing note on the back of a receipt. "You better watch out," the message threatened.

On Nov. 26, a report came in that some men were "acting sketchy" and "shadow-boxing" at the Corner Club on N. Main Street – the bar where Goncalves and Mogen went the night before they were slaughtered.

A woman called police Nov. 27 at 3:18 a.m. after she "woke up and saw her front door wide open."

A person complained Nov. 23 of a "male at dog park asking strange questions."

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

Yeah, like one of the vloggers said, "he's judgey". I'm wondering why he was out at a bar so early in the morning if seeing drunk people is such a turn off. And again, I watched the whole Twitch video and the girls weren't stumbling around, IMO.

TBH I did see some stumbling. Very clearly when they are at the truck ordering. They did appear drunk to me, but probably because I was specifically looking for it.

Also from the video/interview, when the girls left, he said that he asked the guy if he just gave them their food without them paying, to which he said yes because they had to go. But the girls would have paid for their food when they ordered it, like everyone else. The video clearly shows them paying.

I'm pretty sure the hoodie guy that left IMMEDIATELY after them is one guy who investigators have said is not involved. But his behavior is more suspicious to me.

The guy interviewed does seem like a strange dude. Kind of like, "I have to prove I'm 'better' than these people." But I don't know. He's not super suspicious to me.

Just my thoughts.

Here is a link to the full food truck video if anyone hasn't seen it: PLUNDER TRUE CRIME on TikTok

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

 

[GrandmaBear]

some dogs just plain don't bark much at all, so barking or not barking really doesn't mean much unless people knew that particular dog really well. If it was used to people coming in all the time, it most likely wouldn't bark much.

Yeah, I think it would tell nothing at all and the thought that media or online sleuths think it would is, I'm sorry, kind of laughable. Donut Boy barked at anything that moved or touched the door or any sound he heard. If he knew you, and liked you, he'd be noisier, not quieter as he'd be excited to see you pull in or walk up the sidewalk to the home, etc. If it was someone with their dog with to visit him, oh boy, louder still. So this thought that if the dog barked would tell us something I disagree with.

Knowing more about the dog might though. I mean if the dog was known to bark its head off like Donut Boy does, then the thought the roommates nor neighbors did not hear anything is more unlikely but it still wouldn't be any real evidence or of enough certainty or import to be useful. Imo.

 

[Guess Who]

Some dogs also bark so much that it becomes like white noise and nobody pays attention to them barking and couldn't tell you for certain if they were barking or not for a certain situation because they always are barking.

 

[Mel70]

I think it a bit ridiculous to think one could tell much if the dog barked or not so surprised that is an obsession with anyone.

I wonder about the dog for a different reason. It was the dog shared by Kaylee and her bf and he was the one they were calling for some reason in the wee hours. I also wonder where it was found, inside, outside the home, shut in a room, etc.

Even a stranger could have gained entry when the girls or someone let the dog out on arriving home if they were lying in wait.

Not that I think it was a stranger but it is plausible.

I agree. Even if not a stranger, If there is violence and a dog is present, They are going to react. I've seen where if it was a stranger, They are much more likely to kill the dog than risk being caught. I think it's a ridiculous speculation too.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I agree. Even if not a stranger, If there is violence and a dog is present, They are going to react. I've seen where if it was a stranger, They are much more likely to kill the dog than risk being caught. I think it's a ridiculous speculation too.

Yep. Animals and people have instincts although we are not as in touch with ours but in a life/death situation, things kick in no doubt.

It is like the cases we see where a father may kill the mother but not his children even if he lets the children see the act or does not concern himself they are in the home when he does such. The perp didn't kill this dog.

Another thing it does maybe say or hint at is again maybe being welcome or already there or a knowledge of the presence of a dog and people. Some stranger who just walked in there knowing little would be risking several others waking up and possibly being in any part of the home awake or not, a dog barking or more than one being present (if they didn't know), and being caught or outnumbered, etc....

 

[Mel70]

Yep. Animals and people have instincts although we are not as in touch with ours but in a life/death situation, things kick in no doubt.

It is like the cases we see where a father may kill the mother but not his children even if he lets the children see the act or does not concern himself they are in the home when he does such. The perp didn't kill this dog.

Another thing it does maybe say or hint at is again maybe being welcome or already there or a knowledge of the presence of a dog and people. Some stranger who just walked in there knowing little would be risking several others waking up and possibly being in any part of the home awake or not, a dog barking or more than one being present (if they didn't know), and being caught or outnumbered, etc....

You're absolutely right. Animals have amazing instincts. People need to pay more attention to them. A person could have been a stalker, Like has been stated one girl allegedly had. So they had been watching, Know routines and the dog's behavior. But this case IDK. It is a mystery at this point. I was too young. But this must have been the fear when "Bundy" Was loose and an unknown killer. To hear about it in the past is different. Kimster mentioned him the other day. And she knows the fear of the community when "Richard Ramirez" Was killing. I don't think it was a spur of the moment killing at all.

 

[Kimster]

TBH I did see some stumbling. Very clearly when they are at the truck ordering. They did appear drunk to me, but probably because I was specifically looking for it.

Also from the video/interview, when the girls left, he said that he asked the guy if he just gave them their food without them paying, to which he said yes because they had to go. But the girls would have paid for their food when they ordered it, like everyone else. The video clearly shows them paying.

I'm pretty sure the hoodie guy that left IMMEDIATELY after them is one guy who investigators have said is not involved. But his behavior is more suspicious to me.

The guy interviewed does seem like a strange dude. Kind of like, "I have to prove I'm 'better' than these people." But I don't know. He's not super suspicious to me.

Just my thoughts.

Here is a link to the full food truck video if anyone hasn't seen it: PLUNDER TRUE CRIME on TikTok

Oh, I agree with you, I can see some signs of drinking, I just didn’t think they seemed like they were stumbling around. Tipsy, yes. Maybe it’s a question of personal opinion of the meaning of each word.

And that guy definitely seem to think he was above the girls because he was “so sober”.

 

[Kimster]

Some dogs also bark so much that it becomes like white noise and nobody pays attention to them barking and couldn't tell you for certain if they were barking or not for a certain situation because they always are barking.

Good point. When the dogs living to the south of me are barking, I pay no attention at all. If the ones on the north of me were barking, it would be very unusual to me, and I would definitely take a peek at what was going on.

 

[Mel70]

Oh, I agree with you, I can see some signs of drinking, I just didn’t think they seemed like they were stumbling around. Tipsy, yes. Maybe it’s a question of personal opinion of the meaning of each word.

And that guy definitely seem to think he was above the girls because he was “so sober”.

I totally agree. Good point. It's an interpretation of when someone is drunk of each individual person describing it. Some people consider "Buzzed" Not being drunk. Wrong!

 

[GrandmaBear]

You're absolutely right. Animals have amazing instincts. People need to pay more attention to them. A person could have been a stalker, Like has been stated one girl allegedly had. So they had been watching, Know routines and the dog's behavior. But this case IDK. It is a mystery at this point. I was too young. But this must have been the fear when "Bundy" Was loose and an unknown killer. To hear about it in the past is different. Kimster mentioned him the other day. And she knows the fear of the community when "Richard Ramirez" Was killing. I don't think it was a spur of the moment killing at all.

I think it was closer to home but it certainly could have been someone nearby, an acquaintance or stalker. It also could be a total stranger or sk but I don't think so.

I think it was thought about ahead of time but not sure by how much. Not for a long time. It was messy. I think the person knew who all and what they needed to take care of to get away. Meaning they knew the occupants, layout, dog, etc.