Four students murdered at University of Idaho *ARREST*

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Got my Masters degree from here. :(

Killer who stabbed 4 Idaho students to death still at large​

The killer — or killers — who stabbed four University of Idaho students to death remained at large Tuesday, prompting many students to leave the campus in the idyllic small town despite police assurances that there was no imminent risk to the community.

So many students had left the scenic tree-lined campus in Moscow, Idaho, by Tuesday that university officials said a candlelight vigil scheduled for the next day would instead be held after the Thanksgiving break.

The students, all close friends, were found dead in an off-campus rental home around noon on Sunday, and officials said they likely were killed several hours earlier. Latah County Coroner Cathy Mabbutt told the Spokane, Washington-based television station KXLY that her preliminary investigation showed the students were stabbed to death. There is no indication that substance use was involved in the deaths, Mabbutt said.
 
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Kaylee and Maddie died in the same room. 😢
I kind of wondered if this was going to be the case because they were texting at just about the same time they said the murders might have started. Also, they said Kaylee had moved out, and I wondered if she had moved all of her things out of her room? And then there was also that report that not all of the roommates necessarily had died in their own rooms.


 
SheWhoMustNotBeNamed said:
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Detectives remove 5 vehicles from crime scene of Idaho college murders to "more secure" location as suspect remains at large

The investigation into a quadruple murder that killed four University of Idaho students on Nov. 13 is ongoing. Police have not identified a suspect.
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As authorities continue to investigate the grisly stabbings that left four University of Idaho students dead inside their home earlier this month, police said that detectives have now moved five vehicles from the crime scene to a storage location where they will continue to examine them and process evidence.

"Today, as part of the ongoing homicide investigation and original search warrant, detectives relocated five vehicles from within the police perimeter to a more secure long-term storage location to continue processing evidence," the Moscow Police Department announced in a news release posted on Tuesday.

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4 weeks later, police still investigating Idaho student slayings: 'Not going cold'

Police have not identified a suspect or found a murder weapon more than a month after the attack.
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Vigil for UI students moved to Kibbie Dome

The Wednesday vigil to honor four University of Idaho students killed Nov. 13 has been moved to the Kibbie Dome on the UI campus.
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The Wednesday vigil to honor four University of Idaho students killed Nov. 13 has been moved to the Kibbie Dome on the UI campus.

With forecasts of heavy snow and strong winds all day Wednesday across the region, the university decided to move the 5 p.m. event indoors.


Vigils will be held simultaneously in Boise, Idaho Falls, Coeur d’Alene and McCall. Visit uidaho.edu/remember for details.

The university encourages alumni and supporters nationwide to turn on their porchlights and stadium lights in solidarity to remember Ethan Chapin, Xana Kernodle, Madison Mogen and Kaylee Goncalves. The vigil will be livestreamed at uidaho.edu/live.
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Wow. They must have had some legitimate reason to take all those cars and a warrant no?
 
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Wow. They must have had some legitimate reason to take all those cars and a warrant no?
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I was going to say it may be to preserve anything due to the weather/snow. But it looks like they're just sitting outside at the new location anyway.
I'm not sure if they'd need a warrant because the cars were part of the active crime scene being processed and belonged to the victims (and maybe roommates)? Though they probably have a warrant to seize any potential evidence from the location.

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Idaho murders: Slain students' cars towed from crime scene two weeks after grisly attack

Five cars were towed away from an off-campus residence on Tuesday where four University of Idaho students were brutally murdered, according to police.
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Idaho murders: Former FBI special agent says investigation shouldn't be 'hampered' because of remote learning | Fox News

Former FBI special agent says the investigation into the killing of four University of Idaho students shouldn't be hampered due to students learning remotely after Thanksgiving break.
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Former FBI special agent Jonathan Gilliam told Fox News Digital that he doesn't believe the decision to give students the option of learning remotely will have a negative effect on the investigation, but said police should remain in contact with students.
 
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How internet sleuthing in unsolved University of Idaho slayings can be "extremely dangerous"

Facebook groups, Reddit forums and TikTok posts are adding to the intrigue surrounding the deaths of four college students. Experts say they likely won't help crack the case.
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The hundreds of tips and calls provided to local, state and federal investigators as a result of cyber sleuthing can help — both to pinpoint plausible leads and to rule out potential suspects — but former FBI agents and law enforcement experts say they more often than not are a hindrance to an investigation, divert resources and attention, and can even be harmful by ensnaring innocent people.

"With what police, with all types of training and all of the resources to help solve just about any type of crime, have at their fingertips, it's kind of hard to believe that anyone just banging around the internet is going to be able to solve the crime that we couldn't," Pete Yachmetz, a retired FBI special agent in Florida with three decades at the agency, said. "I just don't fathom it."
 
Poor communication in University of Idaho killings shows how not to handle crisis
It has been more than two weeks since four University of Idaho students were found stabbed to death in their apartment off campus.

It was a brutal, horrific crime, one of the worst in Idaho history.

Few communities would be prepared for such a heinous crime to take place in their midst, let alone a small community with a small police department such as Moscow, Idaho.

Since the killings, it has become clear, understandably so, that Moscow was completely unprepared.

That has led to missteps in communication.

Those missteps should serve as a lesson for other small communities where, God forbid, a similar tragedy could strike.

Details about the deaths of Ethan Chapin, 20; Xana Kernodle, 20; Kaylee Goncalves, 21; and Madison Mogen, 21, weren’t immediately released when the bodies were discovered on Sunday, Nov. 13, leading the public to wonder whether it was even a homicide. Wild speculation ensued.

Police initially told the public that there was no threat to the community. That characterization was later reversed by the police chief in a press conference three days later, the first press conference held. Three days was way too long to keep the public in the dark and too long to keep the public believing there was no threat to public safety, with a quadruple murderer still on the loose. They also undermined confidence that police understood the threats to public safety.
 
Unconfirmed chatter is that she moved out months ago.

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Moscow Police say sixth person on rental lease was not home during attack

MPD detectives are aware of a sixth person listed on the lease at the King Road residence. However, they do not believe that person was home during the attack.
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Latest Info | Moscow Police say sixth person on rental lease was not home during attack​

In their latest update, Moscow police revealed a sixth person is listed on the lease at the King Road home where the four students were killed. However, they do not believe this person was at the house at the time of the murder.

Moscow Police also released the following information:
  • Idaho State Police Forensic Services crime lab scientists have worked on this case for weeks and have provided testing and analysis results to detectives. As they complete additional tests, those results will also be provided. To protect the investigation’s integrity, specific results will not be released.
  • We remain consistent in our belief that this was a targeted attack, but investigators have not concluded if the target was the residence or if it was the occupants.
 
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So many things to comment on I can't even recall but for starters, I am less and less impressed with this investigation each moment. The post above talks of miscommunication but apparently they didn't learn from that mistake at the outset as now they have one saying someone was targeted, another saying it was an error and no one was targeted and then a whole bunch of things said about it that make no sense at all. The house targeted? Huh? Or the group? Or they weren't or one wasn't or what? They just confused it more than ever and it sounds even more foolish now.

They can go on all they want about the online thing but secrecy breeds it and makes it worse. And family members are reacting to the lack of information or progress and that clearly is a mistake LE makes far too often. You need someone in contact with the families and even more so if info can't be provided, explaining, giving what info CAN BE GIVEN that won't hurt and there is info they could give that wouldn't hurt things, there always is.

Some definitely do take it too far with like staking out people's homes in some cases and more but

On another note, the cars make no sense. I guess if they are the victims' cars then they don't need them but wasn't it five cars? Did one victim have two vehicles there?

This crime did not happen in the cars is that right? What is it they hope to find? GPS where they all were and went? DNA of someone they had in the car with them? There could be many who rode in their vehicles. The vehicles aren't the crime scene or so it would seem, the home is. And then they just have them sitting outside?

No suspects but they have eliminated some people. Well oh joy. Just what is going on here?

So because of the drunk field call at around that time of the morning, it is interesting to know officers were in that very area likely when this happened, within no distance at all. I don't suppose it is too unusual to maybe be called to the area with college partying on a weekend but still it seems odd and was in the wee hours and past bar closing etc... Were any of these four in any way connected to that incident or event...?

So this wasn't targeted (or the house was lol who knows it is such bs phrasing) but they say they don't think it was random. Okayyyyy. No sense. None. Maybe they should shut up since they can't get things straight when they do say something or ensure it makes sense.

Just venting.

Also interesting that Kaylee and Maddie were in the same room. I'm not surprised. I wouldn't doubt they were awake either and again that the perp may have been there or allowed in or forced his way in but they knew him. The other possibility is one or both may have awoken to sounds from Xana or Ethan or the intruder or of the other being attacked and ran to help, etc., etc.

It fits my guess perfectly but if correct, I fail to see what is taking so darned long. I guess it hasn't been that long but between perp's likely blood, cameras of person or vehicle, texts and phone records, etc., I would think the picture would be pretty clear to LE at least by now...

So it was a DD program with the school.... Students volunteer I would guess? Did they usually take an uber and was one called because why also was that repeatedly said and then said it wasn't and then said it was again...?

Where were Ethan and Xana those missing hours? Who goes to a frat party for what was it, like an hour? Apparently a big party as Ethan's twin brother took their twin sister as his plus one and Ethan took Xana as his. Did all four go somewhere or just those two... And HOW do cops know what time that couple were at the party and got home and for how long they were at the party and yet don't mention where they were in between? It is odd they know when they left, came home and how long were there but not the other part in between. Or do they and can't or won't say...

No wonder speculation is fueled. And the college kids aren't told nor are their parents who or what to avoid. Should they worry about the DD service??? Should they avoid frat parties? Food trucks? Bars? Should they avoid friends or strangers? Students? Teachers? Cops? Should they keep their dogs in or take them home? Should they stay at home and not go back to school?

Again, just venting. I sure hope they know what they are doing. Maybe they do and I was trusting they do but getting hard to do so any longer.
 
GrandmaBear said:
So it was a DD program with the school.... Students volunteer I would guess? Did they usually take an uber and was one called because why also was that repeatedly said and then said it wasn't and then said it was again...?
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I don't know about elsewhere, but here, from what I've seen, people tend to call ANY "rideshare" an Uber. Whether or not it is actually an Uber that picks them up. I've done it myself. "I'm gonna catch an Uber" and then taken a taxi, or a Lyft, or whatever was most convenient.
 
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Moscow, Idaho police chief dismisses quadruple murders turning to cold case: ‘We’re going to solve this’ - WFIN Local News

The Moscow, Idaho police department chief is dismissing any possibility of its investigation of the murders of four students turning cold.
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Moscow, Idaho police chief dismisses quadruple murders turning to cold case: ‘We’re going to solve this’​

The chief of the Moscow, Idaho police department dismissed the possibility of its investigation into the murders of four University of Idaho students on Nov. 13 turning cold, stating that the case will be solved.

Moscow Police Department Chief James Fry made the comments to the Moscow-Pullman Daily News on Thursday, over two weeks after the four University of Idaho students, Ethan Chapin, 20; Xana Kernodle, 20; Madison Mogen, 21; and Kaylee Goncalves, 21, were fatally stabbed in a King Road house near the college campus between the hours of 3 and 4 a.m.

“I’m not even going to speculate on that, number one, because that’s not even in my mind,” Fry said when asked if the incident will turn into a cold case. “We’re going to solve this. We’re going to continue to work until we solve it.”
 
SheWhoMustNotBeNamed said:
I don't know about elsewhere, but here, from what I've seen, people tend to call ANY "rideshare" an Uber. Whether or not it is actually an Uber that picks them up. I've done it myself. "I'm gonna catch an Uber" and then taken a taxi, or a Lyft, or whatever was most convenient.
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That is exactly what happens here, too. It's like the word "band-aid". We all call them band-aids, no matter the brand.
 
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Idaho murders: Former first floor tenant of Moscow home says he couldn't hear activity from other floors

A former tenant of the Moscow, Idaho, home where four college students were murdered on Nov. 13 says he couldn't hear activity from other floors when he lived on the first floor.
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Idaho murders: Former first floor tenant of Moscow home says he couldn't hear activity from other floors​

A former tenant of the Moscow, Idaho, home where four University of Idaho students were murdered on Nov. 13 says it was difficult to hear activity on the second and third floors of the home from the first, where he lived.

Ryan Augusta — a healthcare worker and local business owner who now lives in Genesee, Idaho — told Fox News Digital in an interview that when he lived on the first floor of the home on King Road in 2019, unless his roommate was playing the television loudly on the second floor, he typically "heard nothing" from the second and third floors.

"I wouldn't have heard it from downstairs," Augusta, 43, said when asked whether he could hear activity coming from the second and third floors of the house when he lived on the first floor.


In 2019, when Augusta lived at the house, the residence had code locks on each bedroom door because each bedroom was rented individually, he said.

It was unclear if that was still the case when the victims began their lease on June 5. Some other victims' social media posts showed images of the home that reflected that the locks had since been changed. Team Idaho & Team Washington Property Management, which oversees the property, had no comment on Friday.
 
SheWhoMustNotBeNamed said:
I don't know about elsewhere, but here, from what I've seen, people tend to call ANY "rideshare" an Uber. Whether or not it is actually an Uber that picks them up. I've done it myself. "I'm gonna catch an Uber" and then taken a taxi, or a Lyft, or whatever was most convenient.
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Probably true but in this case they referred to it as an Uber, then it was simply they got a ride from a friend, then back to an Uber again, and somewhere in there was just that someone gave them a ride.

Any ride share place one doesn't think of the driver as being "a friend" generally. Because of all of the playing around with it, I feel it may have some meaning but they may have just been preventing the driver's name from the public so he/she is not harassed.

I wouldn't think anything of it if was said they took an Uber and then we found out it was Lyft. This isn't quite that.

Maybe it's nothing but like everything else I'd like to know more about it and how the DD service works as well. Seems to me it would be as important to take that car in as it is to take the victims' cars in. It was the DD car the girls were last in to our knowledge.
 
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Probably true but in this case they referred to it as an Uber, then it was simply they got a ride from a friend, then back to an Uber again, and somewhere in there was just that someone gave them a ride.

Any ride share place one doesn't think of the driver as being "a friend" generally. Because of all of the playing around with it, I feel it may have some meaning but they may have just been preventing the driver's name from the public so he/she is not harassed.

I wouldn't think anything of it if was said they took an Uber and then we found out it was Lyft. This isn't quite that.

Maybe it's nothing but like everything else I'd like to know more about it and how the DD service works as well. Seems to me it would be as important to take that car in as it is to take the victims' cars in. It was the DD car the girls were last in to our knowledge.
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I know a few with too many dui's that have to get rides and they all call all of them Ubers. One gets a ride to/from work from the same person he pays to drive him and still calls it Uber-ing.
 
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