Four students murdered at University of Idaho *ARREST*

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Got my Masters degree from here.

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/nation-world/national/article268771952.html

Killer who stabbed 4 Idaho students to death still at large​

The killer — or killers — who stabbed four University of Idaho students to death remained at large Tuesday, prompting many students to leave the campus in the idyllic small town despite police assurances that there was no imminent risk to the community.

So many students had left the scenic tree-lined campus in Moscow, Idaho, by Tuesday that university officials said a candlelight vigil scheduled for the next day would instead be held after the Thanksgiving break.

The students, all close friends, were found dead in an off-campus rental home around noon on Sunday, and officials said they likely were killed several hours earlier. Latah County Coroner Cathy Mabbutt told the Spokane, Washington-based television station KXLY that her preliminary investigation showed the students were stabbed to death. There is no indication that substance use was involved in the deaths, Mabbutt said.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I know a few with too many dui's that have to get rides and they all call all of them Ubers. One gets a ride to/from work from the same person he pays to drive him and still calls it Uber-ing.

Yeah but none of them were murdered right in a case where cops keep going back and forth on things. Just saying, like the targeted thing, this is another that was possibly done with for some reason.

I don't disagree someone could refer to such that way. I wouldn't but that's just me. Never heard my 30 something do so either. When she says Uber she means Uber lol. Even so, that isn't really my point, it more that there COULD be another reason it was not made clear it was the DD service connected to the school.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

 

[GrandmaBear]

Funny how they know they can rule something out like the alcohol offense around that time of early a.m. What allows them to rule it or anyone involved out?

Interesting how the prosecutor said the suspect specifically looked at the house. Meaning what exactly? They have a suspect and he googled it or the address, etc.? I know they came out and said this was in error but still an interesting remark...

 

[Kimster]

So many things to comment on I can't even recall but for starters, I am less and less impressed with this investigation each moment. The post above talks of miscommunication but apparently they didn't learn from that mistake at the outset as now they have one saying someone was targeted, another saying it was an error and no one was targeted and then a whole bunch of things said about it that make no sense at all. The house targeted? Huh? Or the group? Or they weren't or one wasn't or what? They just confused it more than ever and it sounds even more foolish now.

They can go on all they want about the online thing but secrecy breeds it and makes it worse. And family members are reacting to the lack of information or progress and that clearly is a mistake LE makes far too often. You need someone in contact with the families and even more so if info can't be provided, explaining, giving what info CAN BE GIVEN that won't hurt and there is info they could give that wouldn't hurt things, there always is.

Some definitely do take it too far with like staking out people's homes in some cases and more but

On another note, the cars make no sense. I guess if they are the victims' cars then they don't need them but wasn't it five cars? Did one victim have two vehicles there?

This crime did not happen in the cars is that right? What is it they hope to find? GPS where they all were and went? DNA of someone they had in the car with them? There could be many who rode in their vehicles. The vehicles aren't the crime scene or so it would seem, the home is. And then they just have them sitting outside?

No suspects but they have eliminated some people. Well oh joy. Just what is going on here?

So because of the drunk field call at around that time of the morning, it is interesting to know officers were in that very area likely when this happened, within no distance at all. I don't suppose it is too unusual to maybe be called to the area with college partying on a weekend but still it seems odd and was in the wee hours and past bar closing etc... Were any of these four in any way connected to that incident or event...?

So this wasn't targeted (or the house was lol who knows it is such bs phrasing) but they say they don't think it was random. Okayyyyy. No sense. None. Maybe they should shut up since they can't get things straight when they do say something or ensure it makes sense.

Just venting.

Also interesting that Kaylee and Maddie were in the same room. I'm not surprised. I wouldn't doubt they were awake either and again that the perp may have been there or allowed in or forced his way in but they knew him. The other possibility is one or both may have awoken to sounds from Xana or Ethan or the intruder or of the other being attacked and ran to help, etc., etc.

It fits my guess perfectly but if correct, I fail to see what is taking so darned long. I guess it hasn't been that long but between perp's likely blood, cameras of person or vehicle, texts and phone records, etc., I would think the picture would be pretty clear to LE at least by now...

So it was a DD program with the school.... Students volunteer I would guess? Did they usually take an uber and was one called because why also was that repeatedly said and then said it wasn't and then said it was again...?

Where were Ethan and Xana those missing hours? Who goes to a frat party for what was it, like an hour? Apparently a big party as Ethan's twin brother took their twin sister as his plus one and Ethan took Xana as his. Did all four go somewhere or just those two... And HOW do cops know what time that couple were at the party and got home and for how long they were at the party and yet don't mention where they were in between? It is odd they know when they left, came home and how long were there but not the other part in between. Or do they and can't or won't say...

No wonder speculation is fueled. And the college kids aren't told nor are their parents who or what to avoid. Should they worry about the DD service??? Should they avoid frat parties? Food trucks? Bars? Should they avoid friends or strangers? Students? Teachers? Cops? Should they keep their dogs in or take them home? Should they stay at home and not go back to school?

Again, just venting. I sure hope they know what they are doing. Maybe they do and I was trusting they do but getting hard to do so any longer.

I heard Xanas mom on News Nation say that Xana xand Ethan had been at a bar. But I don’t know if that’s true or not because Xanas mom doesn’t sound like she really knows what happened.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I heard Xanas mom on News Nation say that Xana xand Ethan had been at a bar. But I don’t know if that’s true or not because Xanas mom doesn’t sound like she really knows what happened.

Yeah I saw or heard that now too. It seems likely as far as an option of where they were. In fact with Kaylee visiting, maybe they just hit up the party for an hour and then joined the girls OR it could have been another bar entirely. Do the cops know where they were and why not share it if so? Not sharing it makes it seem as though that time gap with those two is something questionable.

So all of these parents almost now are not happy with the way they are kept in the dark entirely. Some cops don't seem to consider it their job to handle the families or keep them if not apprised of all at least understanding why and sharing what they can with them and staying in contact. Maybe it isn't a part of the job they think they should have to handle but if not, then someone needs to. I can tell you firsthand what it is like with a murder, grief and then not knowing what is going on or if you will get answers or there will be answers. How many times we were how close to going off the rails with waiting and waiting and seeing no progress and we were in contact and had some answers. It is absolutely an awful thing and emotions are high and frustration very real.

We have seen it in the Rounds case, here now and how many others. And in some of these cases it is the families who have made efforts and found information like Kaylee's sister in this one and Dylan's mom in his case, etc. Cops often also don't move at a pace families think they should or that the public thinks they should. How many cases have we seen where a month or more later they ask people to check their home or store video?!!

In our case, we had to wait four to six months for certain autopsy results and there was nothing they could do about it BUT we knew what the hold up on arrest was, etc.

Many seem to think holding all back is the way but they don't realize it breeds suspicion and it is a natural thing to feel. When you see nothing happening and hear nothing, you feel nothing is being done or wonder if it is or if they care.

Both public and families if they just are given some things I think do better with it. It gives something to hang onto or hope that things ARE being investigated and progress IS being made, however slow it may seem.

I don't know what is going on in this case and at first I felt (and still do to a point) they know who it is but are keeping it under wraps but the mess ups with the conflicting or retracted info (like the targeted thing) and lack of answers of ANY kind or info to date has me wondering. And it would be tenfold worse on the families.

All jmo.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

 

[GrandmaBear]

It's not just Kaylee's family who is not happy with LE. Xana's mom has now spoken out too.

Of interest is that Xana's dad recently changed her lock or fixed it. Just the weekend before...

 

[ima.grandma]

“What police have been reluctant to do in this case is to say they have a suspect, even though they have had suspects who have risen and fallen in various levels of importance, because that’s the nature of the beast,” said John Miller, CNN chief law enforcement analyst and former deputy commissioner of intelligence and counterterrorism for the New York Police Department.

“Police having no suspects is factually incorrect,” Miller said. “Police have had a number of suspects they’ve looked at, but they have no suspect they’re willing to name. You don’t name them unless you have a purpose for that. That’s not unusual.”

As the University of Idaho homicide investigation enters a critical stage, police must protect information 'at all costs,' experts say | CNN

The investigation into the murders of four University of Idaho students is entering a critical stage in its third week, as police are starting to receive forensic testing results from the crime scene, law enforcement experts tell CNN.

www.cnn.com

 

[ima.grandma]

Handprint on window of Idaho house where murders were committed.

Idaho murders: Handprint spotted next to evidence tape at house where four students were killed

At the Moscow, Idaho home where four University of Idaho students were killed, a hand print can be seen next to an evidence tape on the window of the King Road house.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Kimster]

“What police have been reluctant to do in this case is to say they have a suspect, even though they have had suspects who have risen and fallen in various levels of importance, because that’s the nature of the beast,” said John Miller, CNN chief law enforcement analyst and former deputy commissioner of intelligence and counterterrorism for the New York Police Department.

“Police having no suspects is factually incorrect,” Miller said. “Police have had a number of suspects they’ve looked at, but they have no suspect they’re willing to name. You don’t name them unless you have a purpose for that. That’s not unusual.”

As the University of Idaho homicide investigation enters a critical stage, police must protect information 'at all costs,' experts say | CNN

The investigation into the murders of four University of Idaho students is entering a critical stage in its third week, as police are starting to receive forensic testing results from the crime scene, law enforcement experts tell CNN.

www.cnn.com

The way they communicate the "target" info has been poor, IMO. People are scared and are desperately wanting to know if they are safe or not. Their fear the only normal reaction going on over there.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

Interesting clips here.
(No, that's not how you say Moscow.)
Per the parents, "means of death don't match" / "he doesn't have to go up those steps"
LE does not want a reward posted.
They're raising money for a PI.

 

[Cousin Dupree]

Interesting clips here.
(No, that's not how you say Moscow.)
Per the parents, "means of death don't match" / "he doesn't have to go up those steps"
LE does not want a reward posted.
They're raising money for a PI.

How do you pronounce Moscow then?

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

How do you pronounce Moscow then?

Moss-coe. Moss-co. Moss-koe. ? No cow.
Like the store Winco.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

The first reporter in this says it correctly, about 37 seconds in.

 

[Cousin Dupree]

The first reporter in this says it correctly, about 37 seconds in.

That's better, who wants a mossy cow? Mossy milk, mossy beef, mossy leather...

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

 

[GrandmaBear]

Where did he get this info from? I know the father alluded to different deaths or means, etc. but never said this.

It fits with what I have thought from early on. Not that the perp couldn't be someone other than I think.

Who does LE think they are fooling? They have mentioned targeted enough that the perp IF he had one specific target in this group of four knows they know so why keep it a secret? Because Moscow LE has said on and off it was targeted anyhow. It fools no one and not the perp either. And now if this is true, the target appeared to be Kaylee. The perp also knows LE can see and has known the differences in the victims' injuries etc. so again who does it help to keep this info from anyone? Or what does it hurt since the perp knows that LE knows.

In fact SAYING who seemed to be the target may bring friends and acquaintances forward who don't know what piece of info may matter because they don't know if it was someone upset with the four or with one but by telling people, friends and such will then think specifically to the one victim and may think of something that may be relevant.

NO student should be attending the U of I right now imo. No parent should be allowing such. And none should be enrolling for next year and should be changing their choice. What parent would want this kind of treatment by LE?

I heard also he said (dad) that they signed some waiver over some mail or piece of mail or something. This I don't understand at all. All of these victims were adults. What right over an adult would a parent have regarding the adult child's mail that they could sign off on it? Maybe if she was receiving mail at home? Makes no sense to me that tidbit.

 

[Kimster]

Moss-coe. Moss-co. Moss-koe. ? No cow.
Like the store Winco.

My mom, who grew up in that area, taught me the correct pronunciation when I was a young girl. Another commonly mispronounced name out here is "Nevada".

 

[Kimster]

Where did he get this info from? I know the father alluded to different deaths or means, etc. but never said this.

It fits with what I have thought from early on. Not that the perp couldn't be someone other than I think.

Who does LE think they are fooling? They have mentioned targeted enough that the perp IF he had one specific target in this group of four knows they know so why keep it a secret? Because Moscow LE has said on and off it was targeted anyhow. It fools no one and not the perp either. And now if this is true, the target appeared to be Kaylee. The perp also knows LE can see and has known the differences in the victims' injuries etc. so again who does it help to keep this info from anyone? Or what does it hurt since the perp knows that LE knows.

In fact SAYING who seemed to be the target may bring friends and acquaintances forward who don't know what piece of info may matter because they don't know if it was someone upset with the four or with one but by telling people, friends and such will then think specifically to the one victim and may think of something that may be relevant.

NO student should be attending the U of I right now imo. No parent should be allowing such. And none should be enrolling for next year and should be changing their choice. What parent would want this kind of treatment by LE?

I heard also he said (dad) that they signed some waiver over some mail or piece of mail or something. This I don't understand at all. All of these victims were adults. What right over an adult would a parent have regarding the adult child's mail that they could sign off on it? Maybe if she was receiving mail at home? Makes no sense to me that tidbit.

The father said it in the interview with Brian Entin (sp?). I saw it. What does it mean, though? It could mean that she was fighting harder than Maddie because Maddie was the first one attacked. Also, I never know when the information is going to change, so I'm not hanging my hat on anything anymore.