Four students murdered at University of Idaho *ARREST*

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Got my Masters degree from here. :(

Killer who stabbed 4 Idaho students to death still at large​

The killer — or killers — who stabbed four University of Idaho students to death remained at large Tuesday, prompting many students to leave the campus in the idyllic small town despite police assurances that there was no imminent risk to the community.

So many students had left the scenic tree-lined campus in Moscow, Idaho, by Tuesday that university officials said a candlelight vigil scheduled for the next day would instead be held after the Thanksgiving break.

The students, all close friends, were found dead in an off-campus rental home around noon on Sunday, and officials said they likely were killed several hours earlier. Latah County Coroner Cathy Mabbutt told the Spokane, Washington-based television station KXLY that her preliminary investigation showed the students were stabbed to death. There is no indication that substance use was involved in the deaths, Mabbutt said.
 
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I just watched Ken Mains current YouTube and he has partnered up with a San Quentin death row inmate to help him solve cold cases. Not a bad idea, in my opinion, but that's not what I came in here to share.

The death row inmate is Bill Noguera and while he's not a serial killer, he has met many in his 30+ years on death row. He made a lot of comments about this case, but two of them really stuck out with me. One is that he thinks the killer was already in the house when the kids came home from the parties. I've been thinking the same because he struck so quickly after they went to bed. I've been thinking that he could have been hiding in Kaylee's old bedroom, or the vacant bedroom on the second floor.

The other thing he brought up, that I never would have thought of, was the relationship the killer could have with the knife. If he had been sitting in the trees watching the house for any period of time, even a couple of weeks, he would have gotten bored while up there and could very well have poked a tree with the knife or done some whittling or something else during his boredom. Wouldn't that be interesting if he's right?

Both Ken Mains and Noguera believe this is a serial killer and this isn't his first crime. Noguera also believes he is now in his "cooling off period" and will strike again at some point in time. He also thinks he's in his 20s or 30s and is at least 5'10" tall due to being able to fight off Ethan.

Please remember: THESE ARE THEORIES ONLY! I'm not into starting any rumors!

Here's the complete video for any who are interested in watching:

 
Kimster said:
I just watched Ken Mains current YouTube and he has partnered up with a San Quentin death row inmate to help him solve cold cases. Not a bad idea, in my opinion, but that's not what I came in here to share.

The death row inmate is Bill Noguera and while he's not a serial killer, he has met many in his 30+ years on death row. He made a lot of comments about this case, but two of them really stuck out with me. One is that he thinks the killer was already in the house when the kids came home from the parties. I've been thinking the same because he struck so quickly after they went to bed. I've been thinking that he could have been hiding in Kaylee's old bedroom, or the vacant bedroom on the second floor.

The other thing he brought up, that I never would have thought of, was the relationship the killer could have with the knife. If he had been sitting in the trees watching the house for any period of time, even a couple of weeks, he would have gotten bored while up there and could very well have poked a tree with the knife or done some whittling or something else during his boredom. Wouldn't that be interesting if he's right?

Both Ken Mains and Noguera believe this is a serial killer and this isn't his first crime. Noguera also believes he is now in his "cooling off period" and will strike again at some point in time. He also thinks he's in his 20s or 30s and is at least 5'10" tall due to being able to fight off Ethan.

Please remember: THESE ARE THEORIES ONLY! I'm not into starting any rumors!

Here's the complete video for any who are interested in watching:

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Teaming up like Clarice and Dr. Lecter
 
Kimster said:
I just watched Ken Mains current YouTube and he has partnered up with a San Quentin death row inmate to help him solve cold cases. Not a bad idea, in my opinion, but that's not what I came in here to share.

The death row inmate is Bill Noguera and while he's not a serial killer, he has met many in his 30+ years on death row. He made a lot of comments about this case, but two of them really stuck out with me. One is that he thinks the killer was already in the house when the kids came home from the parties. I've been thinking the same because he struck so quickly after they went to bed. I've been thinking that he could have been hiding in Kaylee's old bedroom, or the vacant bedroom on the second floor.

The other thing he brought up, that I never would have thought of, was the relationship the killer could have with the knife. If he had been sitting in the trees watching the house for any period of time, even a couple of weeks, he would have gotten bored while up there and could very well have poked a tree with the knife or done some whittling or something else during his boredom. Wouldn't that be interesting if he's right?

Both Ken Mains and Noguera believe this is a serial killer and this isn't his first crime. Noguera also believes he is now in his "cooling off period" and will strike again at some point in time. He also thinks he's in his 20s or 30s and is at least 5'10" tall due to being able to fight off Ethan.

Please remember: THESE ARE THEORIES ONLY! I'm not into starting any rumors!

Here's the complete video for any who are interested in watching:

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I haven't watched it but just going by what you said, that's very interesting.

I haven't given up the thought that the killer could have been in the house or even come home with someone or been let in whether invited or popping by... So that part I have no trouble thinking. It's all open as far as I am concerned as to how "he" came to be there.

The whittling in a tree etc. is interesting as is the serial killer thought. I can't dismiss that either but this just "feels" personal imo. I'm not saying it isn't possible but it just seems like it is personal.

So does he think the killer entered before the roommates got home too or after?

There are things that make me doubt it is personal even though I am bent on the likelihood it is. Like the Hyundai... I would almost think if personal, we would be hearing some rumor or buzz that hey, YOU KNOW that is so and so's mom's car or his car or such and such drives one and we are hearing nothing. BUT what it does show if the Hyundai is related to a perp/s and no one recognizes it is that it was PLANNED to maybe not be recognized if personal...

Anyhow they are speculating but I will admit that is a bit of a different take on it, especially the tree sitting part. Even though there is some wooded area here though it is a pretty populated busy area so not sure that jives for me...Look at how many students were out and about just considering the party and alcohol incident and that probably wasn't all that unusual.
 
Here is one that says kind of what I was saying earlier. It touches on how video should be looked for faster than nine days in, etc.

LE is not perfect and yes, crime scene and DNA and more takes time as does getting their who does what and how in a row and outside agencies, etc. BUT bureaucracy and technology and other things play in where LE needs to get with the times. Time IS of the essence with some of it.

Kaylee's dad is standing out no doubt but when you are desperate for justice and answers and grieving and you watch what you'd like to go in and say or do quicker, just like with Dylan Rounds' mom, etc. I don't have words for it. Think of if you have a two year old missing and they say yeah, we will have an Amber Alert out by tomorrow and we should have a search team ready to go three days from now.

I had someone install cameras at my property. The app is on my phone. I know little of it. Since he checks it I count on him to let me know if anything is up and the other day he sent me a pic showing someone that drove onto it. He did that once before but it was someone okay. This time it wasn't. Even so, I figured I had it as I get the footage through the app. A while later I asked how to get the video to send etc. and if it would stay and he said I needed to save it and told me how or it would be overwritten. Wow. It mattered in my case and thank goodness. I assumed since the video was on my phone, I had it forever but nope.

LE often doesn't like the public thing and yes, it gets out of hand and out of line with rumors and people actually sitting outside houses in some cases but they need to get with it too.

Each and every case, IMMEDIATELY go for surveillance footage, home cameras, cell phone footage, etc. You DO NOT need warrants to ask people if they have it to save it right out of the GATE.

And this happens in cases bigger agencies are involved in too. We see it a lot.

 
They have stayed away from any mention of him with a ten foot pole. They may not be sharing any info but they made it far clearer that they cleared the roommates and the food truck guy... He had to be asked about.

Awful quiet on that front. From day one. Except for her family...
 
GrandmaBear said:
Here is one that says kind of what I was saying earlier. It touches on how video should be looked for faster than nine days in, etc.

LE is not perfect and yes, crime scene and DNA and more takes time as does getting their who does what and how in a row and outside agencies, etc. BUT bureaucracy and technology and other things play in where LE needs to get with the times. Time IS of the essence with some of it.

Kaylee's dad is standing out no doubt but when you are desperate for justice and answers and grieving and you watch what you'd like to go in and say or do quicker, just like with Dylan Rounds' mom, etc. I don't have words for it. Think of if you have a two year old missing and they say yeah, we will have an Amber Alert out by tomorrow and we should have a search team ready to go three days from now.

I had someone install cameras at my property. The app is on my phone. I know little of it. Since he checks it I count on him to let me know if anything is up and the other day he sent me a pic showing someone that drove onto it. He did that once before but it was someone okay. This time it wasn't. Even so, I figured I had it as I get the footage through the app. A while later I asked how to get the video to send etc. and if it would stay and he said I needed to save it and told me how or it would be overwritten. Wow. It mattered in my case and thank goodness. I assumed since the video was on my phone, I had it forever but nope.

LE often doesn't like the public thing and yes, it gets out of hand and out of line with rumors and people actually sitting outside houses in some cases but they need to get with it too.

Each and every case, IMMEDIATELY go for surveillance footage, home cameras, cell phone footage, etc. You DO NOT need warrants to ask people if they have it to save it right out of the GATE.

And this happens in cases bigger agencies are involved in too. We see it a lot.

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I'm not sure where they're getting the 9 day in figure. November 18 update mentions looking for video surveillance. That's day 5. I have a hard time believing they weren't looking at/for surveillance from day 1.
 
GrandmaBear said:
Do we know the date she broke up with her bf? Stalkers don't have to be strangers. They can be jealous people one knows.

Not saying it is him. But man I have seen it enough in my lifetime even w/o murder. We see it all the time. Rejection, break up, can't handle, if I can't have ya no one will by God.
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I think if an ex-boyfriend was stalking her that her friends would've known about it. I'm sure she had a lot more friends than those who were killed along with her.
 
GrandmaBear said:
I haven't watched it but just going by what you said, that's very interesting.

I haven't given up the thought that the killer could have been in the house or even come home with someone or been let in whether invited or popping by... So that part I have no trouble thinking. It's all open as far as I am concerned as to how "he" came to be there.

The whittling in a tree etc. is interesting as is the serial killer thought. I can't dismiss that either but this just "feels" personal imo. I'm not saying it isn't possible but it just seems like it is personal.

So does he think the killer entered before the roommates got home too or after?

There are things that make me doubt it is personal even though I am bent on the likelihood it is. Like the Hyundai... I would almost think if personal, we would be hearing some rumor or buzz that hey, YOU KNOW that is so and so's mom's car or his car or such and such drives one and we are hearing nothing. BUT what it does show if the Hyundai is related to a perp/s and no one recognizes it is that it was PLANNED to maybe not be recognized if personal...
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The death row inmate thinks the killer was in the house waiting for them to come home.
 
GrandmaBear said:
Here is one that says kind of what I was saying earlier. It touches on how video should be looked for faster than nine days in, etc.

LE is not perfect and yes, crime scene and DNA and more takes time as does getting their who does what and how in a row and outside agencies, etc. BUT bureaucracy and technology and other things play in where LE needs to get with the times. Time IS of the essence with some of it.

Kaylee's dad is standing out no doubt but when you are desperate for justice and answers and grieving and you watch what you'd like to go in and say or do quicker, just like with Dylan Rounds' mom, etc. I don't have words for it. Think of if you have a two year old missing and they say yeah, we will have an Amber Alert out by tomorrow and we should have a search team ready to go three days from now.

I had someone install cameras at my property. The app is on my phone. I know little of it. Since he checks it I count on him to let me know if anything is up and the other day he sent me a pic showing someone that drove onto it. He did that once before but it was someone okay. This time it wasn't. Even so, I figured I had it as I get the footage through the app. A while later I asked how to get the video to send etc. and if it would stay and he said I needed to save it and told me how or it would be overwritten. Wow. It mattered in my case and thank goodness. I assumed since the video was on my phone, I had it forever but nope.

LE often doesn't like the public thing and yes, it gets out of hand and out of line with rumors and people actually sitting outside houses in some cases but they need to get with it too.

Each and every case, IMMEDIATELY go for surveillance footage, home cameras, cell phone footage, etc. You DO NOT need warrants to ask people if they have it to save it right out of the GATE.

And this happens in cases bigger agencies are involved in too. We see it a lot.

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My cameras last for a week. It's really easy to download one up until they erase themselves. Currently there's a problem with mail theft in our town, so I check them to see if I can catch the person. I don't check them every day, however, unless I think about it.
 
This happened in Washington. Though like 350 miles / 6 hours away. He did apparently leave the scene in a Nissan…no mention of model or color.

komonews.com

Bail set at $1.5M for man accused in Washington casino stabbing

A judge has set bail at $1.5 million for a man accused of stabbing four people Monday night at a Washington casino and leading police on a high-speed chase.
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RoundPeg said:
I'm not sure where they're getting the 9 day in figure. November 18 update mentions looking for video surveillance. That's day 5. I have a hard time believing they weren't looking at/for surveillance from day 1.
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I don't know but I will say this even if they did say it--I have seen other cases where they mention it like that etc. but they aren't actually actively pursuing it/sending someone out to find it, making it KNOWN publicly they want it, it is like they sit there and wait for people to bring it to them or think they will if something is on it and they don't make it well known...

On the other hand, I have seen some hints of falsehoods in this case by reporters and I don't mean the online sleuthing community but made up sensationalism/drama by bigger fish. In one case it stems from someone I have seen do it before so my doubting Thomas Hat is on tight....
 
Guess Who said:
So now they are complaining about too much info being given out???
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I think she means giving a MINOR child graphic details re her own sister's injuries.

Speaking of too much info or not enough, little is being shared but when someone does open their mouth they insert their foot. Not the first time with this coroner.

We are watching the family's intense grief and frustration play out publicly.

I will never stop saying even if LE is doing it to protect the investigation and the family doesn't understand, THEY need to do SOMETHING for families in this country to help them through such a thing. There is a disconnect and families reel emotionally in the aftermath of such an unexpected thing as murder. And they find out first hand the system is not perfect.

On top of that

PLENTY of effort and worry goes towards defendants. All they have to do is threaten or their attorney does or their free public defender...

VICTIMS families suffer. And then they are also told they have to stifle it. They have no outlet. Even wanting a reward or vigil, etc. they may be told that. They can't even share with friends or family they are made to feel if they do they will ruin the chance for justice. Not ALL info is THAT important.

And the same goes with the public. There is SOMEONE who slaughtered FOUR people loose amongst them/us! I would be damned if my child would still be attending school there if they can't assure anyone!

All that said, I don't agree with all Kaylee's dad has done BUT I understand it. What we are also seeing is family members on different pages and stages of grief day by day imo. It boils over, it sizzles out. Day after day after day they have no answers. As he said his daughter came home in a box. Rest assured they are being harassed and hounded on top of it by real media. They feel like they can't grieve and can't mourn until justice is done.

Honestly, I wish I had the words to describe it but I don't. And their deal is different but boy do I get it.

On top of that, the emotions and frustration are probably causing issues between some family members/families. Shut up Joe you will ruin the chance for justice for our daughter,, you shouldn't have said that. No Martha, if they haven't caught the perp by now they don't know what they are doing so I am going to publicly blast them until they do their job! Made up scenario.

In our thing once my sister blasted me and she said well "my" detective said this and I said well "mine" said it isn't a big deal and oh boy.

HELP and COMMUNICATION is necessary and needed for the families of victims. I will repeat it and repeat it. And not just pacification. SOME info, bridging the disconnect, etc.
 
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