Four students murdered at University of Idaho *ARREST*

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Got my Masters degree from here. :(

Killer who stabbed 4 Idaho students to death still at large​

The killer — or killers — who stabbed four University of Idaho students to death remained at large Tuesday, prompting many students to leave the campus in the idyllic small town despite police assurances that there was no imminent risk to the community.

So many students had left the scenic tree-lined campus in Moscow, Idaho, by Tuesday that university officials said a candlelight vigil scheduled for the next day would instead be held after the Thanksgiving break.

The students, all close friends, were found dead in an off-campus rental home around noon on Sunday, and officials said they likely were killed several hours earlier. Latah County Coroner Cathy Mabbutt told the Spokane, Washington-based television station KXLY that her preliminary investigation showed the students were stabbed to death. There is no indication that substance use was involved in the deaths, Mabbutt said.
 
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Oh. Father of a victim/dead child. Long day. I should have caught that and realized. I was more focused on the perp and the ridiculous defense and ingested too much in too many cases and threads.

Yes they can be a bit reactive but on the other hand, why not? Daughter is dead and not coming back so go ahead.

It is so unnatural and hard being advised to stifle especially if no one is helping and guiding and such just is not there. I've said it and I've said it about Dylan Rounds' mom BUT I get it. It needs to change. Look at what we are seeing in Kohberger here and Delphi, etc. Read is another. Defenses are putting out a whole media blitz and one sided story while prosecutions and families have to stay mum. Or is the way. While all gets tainted AND people think the case basically has been tried from ONE side.

The times need to be caught up with. Defense attorneys are sure using such.

Jmho.

What does her dad or mom have to lose? Justice I guess perhaps but you know speaking up just like Dylan's mom isn't going to bring their kids back or get them murdered, they already were. We played by the book but I will tell you it is not as it should be. And it is not understood that it expects way too much of families. And for years on end. This case has barely gotten started as to the years and b.s. they are going to deal with.

Whether right or wrong, you know what, go for it. He cares and is passionate about his daughter and grieving. The one I will NEVER understand or comprehend is the mother of the only male victim here. Not saying she is wrong but wow, such strength. Take it, face it, over it, care less about the criminal process. I can readily admit that isn't me and I can't identify. I can identify with Kaylee's parents. And Dylan's mom. ANd I myself have criticized them but only because I know the advice--do not wreck the investigation, do not talk. Etc. I don't agree with it though. It lets one side play a narrative for months is not years to the public.

I also would say the prosecution side hates that they cannot counter it and have to watch it...

Jmo.

Agree on some disagree on others lol.

This man's daughter was slaughtered. I know he goes against the flow and can be a bit whatever and even have said so myself but so what. I can also say and bet they don't know a thing that will destroy the case. They are just parents that are reeling. The system sucks and the lack of helping someone navigate it does as well and that's nothing against LE or the prosecution. I have nothing but good to say of ours. It is though how it is. THEY have to be on the case and take it professionally. FAMILIES however are REELING. If you want them not reacting, reeling, talking to news, etc. then there is a missing step and help. However that's okay, mostly these days it is all about the poor defendants.

Not a post at you for sure. I just am reacting to what I don't get time to and did an overload today with cases. Still am listening to much.

I don't wonder at like the ones mentioned here, Dylan's mom or Kaylee's dad here. Just for examples. Most of us are like we are told to be, do not cause ripples if you want justice, etc. but it is so unnatural and unfair. It's just my opinion and a minor one. But D's parents actually ended up with their son's remains. And really other than justice, if they tell how it is what do they risk? They sure don't risk their child's life. They are already gone and nothing can change it... Not everyone can be Ethan's mom.

And kudos there, don't get me wrong. That's not who I could ever be is all. Could you?

Okay. I don't get a lot of time and had no time off last week etc. that wsn't tied to dealing with stuff rather than real time off. I seriously am happy to see you back on cases, etc.. Whether we agree or disagree.

Yes I rambled on here. As my hours tick down to back to work arggghhh.
They have the case against the guy that killed their daughter to lose. It's really that simple.
 
They have the case against the guy that killed their daughter to lose. It's really that simple.
Not sure what you mean. If you mean what I think it is up to them. There is in the silence a real worry that LE is doing their job and I've seen the fear of that in both this case with these parents and in Dylan Rounds' mom, etc. Some choose to speak out and risk it and some keep their mouths shut as recommended as we did or tried to do. It's beyond human to ask or expect that honestly. It all needs to change imo.

What I you keep your mouth shut and don't risk anything or the investigation and 20 years later there you sit doing the same thing?

Another thing is they can't share what they aren't told to affect an investigation anyhow.

I find their reaction far more normal than Ethan's mother's. I will never be able to identify with that. That's just my opinion though.

I can only add that there is nothing like it and it doesn't matter if cases are the same--dealing with grief or having to hold it and a murder and the system and a perp is a totally different animal than loss by accident or illness. It is BEYOND imaginable. More than anyone should have to handle. I'm not saying I know it all or anything nor meaning to come across that way but it is a very different beast and look at what these murders were and the attention on top of it.

Personally I think LE did an outstanding job in this one. As far as one can tell so far anyhow. EVery day though seems like a year before a perp is apprehended.

I don't really have a point other than what the parents decide to do or feel the need to do is okay by me. I will guarantee they KNOW what their decisions can mean or have been advised I'm sure or would think. Nothing is going to bring any of these kids back. I don't doubt Kaylee's dad would love to be able to take justice in his own hands and I can understand that feeling as well. I fight such feelings to this day. It's only my belief in God and that it would be wrong and I'd never see her again that keeps him safe from me, believe me. I've made remarks and judged in both cases (Rounds as well) not wanting the parents to affect their chance at justice but I don't entirely agree with how it is either and do understand their feelings. There is a lot lacking for victim's families and there is no book nor did anyone ever prepare any of us as to how to handle murder of a loved one. Nor does anyone expect such.

And you know there's also maybe a part that just can't hold it in and I get that as well.

A LOT needs to change. Look at these cases now being tried by the defenses in the media while the other side has to sit, watch, take it and say nothing and keep the investigation and facts mum. And it DOES have an affect.

Not even sure if I have any point and not even sure what you meant lol. I'm having a very off morning. Seriously.
 

MOSCOW, Idaho - The man accused of killing four University of Idaho students is due back in court on Thursday as his defense team will call a witness in a hearing on their motion to compel the prosecution turn over some evidence in the case.

The defense for Bryan Kohberger has continued to push the court to grant them access to certain evidence they say the prosecution has, including dashcam footage related to the search warrant at his Pennsylvania home and lab testing results.

Filings related to Thursday's hearings don't make clear who the defense's witness will be.

In a decision that followed a contentious hearing earlier in May, Kootenai County Judge John Judge, who is presiding over the case, determined that Thursday's hearing will remain open unless topics covered under the gag order comes up.

Two more hearings regarding the defense's motion to compel are set for May 30. One of those hearings is set to be closed, while the latter will be open — although Judge may close that one based on the same criteria set for Thursday's hearing.

The past few months of often very contentious hearings are all setting the stage for a much-anticipated change of venue hearing set for June 27.
 
Genealogy connecting is not NEW for goodness sake. What a bunch of hooey.

And somewhere along the line in following cases we missed this new thing of filing an alibi if one has one or whatever they call it. They have to give notice of one. Well this defense atty nor Kohberger provided one but wanted to first see all discovery to see what one they could create. What b.s. If you HAD a provable alibi that you were driving and stargazing you would have provided it and moved for dismissal. PERIOD. And so that is clearly not proven nor can be or they'd do so.

His atty refused to do what was to be filed until they knew what to create for one and that's b.s.

It was said at the start she was good and respected and so on. Well I beg to differ on what good encompasses. I heard that and thought wow he has a good one and gave the benefit of the doubt but all I've seen is the typical games. You have a rock solid alibi Brian and Ann? Well the produce it and get his "get out of jail free card" NOW. And it's hilarious ya all didn't know what that alibi was until you saw what you had to work around and I don't understand to this day why that was allowed. You either HAD one or you DON'T.

MONSTERS. Including his atty in that statement.
 
I wish Nate was covering this. I'm okay with Brian but I don't class him with Nate in several ways. Not the same caliber.

Not meant as a total knock, he is a go getter but he goes on shows and things that Nate would never. And some of those shows or "news" aren't always highest caliber either. MOSTLY though he's okay. At least he does point out here not enough was said to know police did anything wrong and that it is not uncommon for defense to poke holes.

Nate keeps getting asked if he will cover once Daybell is done. He isn't sure but mentions or talks about what next after Daybell...

The BK case here is in its infancy imo.

And it's all smoke by defense, very common these days...

I feel for the families though who are just finding what it is going to be like and all the delays and b.s. that will come still...
 
I wish Nate was covering this. I'm okay with Brian but I don't class him with Nate in several ways. Not the same caliber.

Not meant as a total knock, he is a go getter but he goes on shows and things that Nate would never. And some of those shows or "news" aren't always highest caliber either. MOSTLY though he's okay. At least he does point out here not enough was said to know police did anything wrong and that it is not uncommon for defense to poke holes.

Nate keeps getting asked if he will cover once Daybell is done. He isn't sure but mentions or talks about what next after Daybell...

The BK case here is in its infancy imo.

And it's all smoke by defense, very common these days...

I feel for the families though who are just finding what it is going to be like and all the delays and b.s. that will come still...
I like Brian and he's worked hard on this case.

Nate has been saying he'll do a Courtroom Insider on this case when it goes to trial.
 
I was watching it live for a bit. Some guy that was self taught on cell phone data but over years and maybe formerly LE or still LE, I didn't catch all and then I heard the Daybell verdict was in. It was dry but also probably intentionally an issue being made although the defense's "guy" did not agree with all she tried to get out of him last moments I saw out of it.... About what record and app or whatever the Moscow police used....

But interestingly he would not outright agree with the defense atty who HAD him there in all cases... That could be tough a good way to look unbiased. Heck if I know.

I only saw part. And it made me think of things being said in Read but I don't know sh*t about cell phone extractions, data and programs...
 
Court reviews surveillance footage and cell data in Moscow murder case
Bryan Kohberger, the man accused of killing Kaylee Goncalves, Madsion Mogen, Xana Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin was back in court today.

The court heard from a Moscow Police Detective and a consultant expert in cellphone geolocation data.

Lead investigator Brett payne testified that through the investigation many hours of video surveillance footage was collected. Surveillance footage from 79 business and residences in the process of locating the White Hyundai elantra.

When speaking of specific videos, the defense mentioned that there is still video evidence that they have not received.

Payne also stated that investigators were unable to receive surveillance video of the Elantra traveling from Moscow to Pullman after the killings, but he did mention the possibility of the suspect using a different road.

Sy Ray was the other witness called to the stand. This is Ray's first time ever testifying for the defense side.

Ray focuses on cell phone data,more so location data. Ray states that from what he has seen, a percentage of the location data from Kohberger's phone on the night of the murders is still missing. This data could be an important part of the case.

A second hearing was also held today, however it was closed to the public. The defense presented evidence and witnesses in relation to investigative genetic genealogy.
 
I like Brian and he's worked hard on this case.

Nate has been saying he'll do a Courtroom Insider on this case when it goes to trial.
He's okay. I've had moments but have had such with many and I also am not the biggest News Nation fan. I did just watch him in the video you linked in the Portland SK case and that was GOOD ND I gave it kudos.
 
I'm reading on X.com that there was a contentious court hearing in this case today, but not able to easily find an article.
I came across it live, actually thought I linked it but maybe not. I was actually not wanting to sidetrack as was on looking for Daybell, etc.

Defense was up and I did watch for some minutes. Not sure what happened as to contention but this witness is not going to get the case dismissed for them and he did not entirely agree with defense either the bit I saw, even though I believe he was "their" guy. He did endorse in what I saw that he could not determine more as to whether anything would help which side without more info that the P should provide to the D is how I I took it, that ALL is not there or some such in some weird cell phone dry test areas on all days or times or some such.

Greek to me and I felt someone who can follow such should take a look. It reminded me of Read as to cell phone stuff and the debates. He was also talking of different areas and mountains and what would then happen and some such.

Struck me as defense b.s. and even their own guy would not quite go down the road they wanted him to...

I don't know. Didn't watch it all but do think I came in and mentioned such was going on. I saw some minutes of it, five or ten in the middle. Yesterday was about Daybell which probably has a lot to do with some of the lack of coverage.
 
I came across it live, actually thought I linked it but maybe not. I was actually not wanting to sidetrack as was on looking for Daybell, etc.

Defense was up and I did watch for some minutes. Not sure what happened as to contention but this witness is not going to get the case dismissed for them and he did not entirely agree with defense either the bit I saw, even though I believe he was "their" guy. He did endorse in what I saw that he could not determine more as to whether anything would help which side without more info that the P should provide to the D is how I I took it, that ALL is not there or some such in some weird cell phone dry test areas on all days or times or some such.

Greek to me and I felt someone who can follow such should take a look. It reminded me of Read as to cell phone stuff and the debates. He was also talking of different areas and mountains and what would then happen and some such.

Struck me as defense b.s. and even their own guy would not quite go down the road they wanted him to...

I don't know. Didn't watch it all but do think I came in and mentioned such was going on. I saw some minutes of it, five or ten in the middle. Yesterday was about Daybell which probably has a lot to do with some of the lack of coverage.
What was interesting to me was that there were a lot of people tweeting that they think Kohberger is innocent. So that could be telling of what might be coming.
 
What was interesting to me was that there were a lot of people tweeting that they think Kohberger is innocent. So that could be telling of what might be coming.
Well what am I missing? I sure don't see why unless the evil weirdo has just collected some groupies.

I've seen nothing that makes me doubt it?

I guess I'm not sure of what you mean or the why or how that indicates what is coming? What do you mean as far as what's coming?
 
Well what am I missing? I sure don't see why unless the evil weirdo has just collected some groupies.

I've seen nothing that makes me doubt it?

I guess I'm not sure of what you mean or the why or how that indicates what is coming? What do you mean as far as what's coming?
That there might be a lot of people in social media claiming he's innocent. We don't see that in a lot of the high profile cases.
 
That there might be a lot of people in social media claiming he's innocent. We don't see that in a lot of the high profile cases.
Sounds like Delphi in a way where I am convinced defense caused such. Kind of like hiring paid protestors for news in politics but a bit different... I haven't seen a single reason to think BK innocent so where is it stemming from....
 
Sounds like Delphi in a way where I am convinced defense caused such. Kind of like hiring paid protestors for news in politics but a bit different... I haven't seen a single reason to think BK innocent so where is it stemming from....
Different ideas and views they had on the last hearing. A lot of it about a lack of evidence during those times when they weren't able to monitor where his car was going. And there were other thoughts being thrown out there, but I don't remember the details. I was looking into the Daybell trial and didn't have time to follow along.
 

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