Four students murdered at University of Idaho *ARREST*

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Killer who stabbed 4 Idaho students to death still at large​

The killer — or killers — who stabbed four University of Idaho students to death remained at large Tuesday, prompting many students to leave the campus in the idyllic small town despite police assurances that there was no imminent risk to the community.

So many students had left the scenic tree-lined campus in Moscow, Idaho, by Tuesday that university officials said a candlelight vigil scheduled for the next day would instead be held after the Thanksgiving break.

The students, all close friends, were found dead in an off-campus rental home around noon on Sunday, and officials said they likely were killed several hours earlier. Latah County Coroner Cathy Mabbutt told the Spokane, Washington-based television station KXLY that her preliminary investigation showed the students were stabbed to death. There is no indication that substance use was involved in the deaths, Mabbutt said.

 

[Summer_Breeze]

Lawyer for Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger wants trial moved to Boise, citing "inflammatory" coverage

Brian Kohberger is charged with fatally stabbing students Kaylee Goncalves, Madison Mogen, Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin on Nov. 13, 2022.

www.cbsnews.com

Updated on: July 24, 2024 / 6:25 AM EDT / CBS/AP

Lawyers for the man accused of fatally stabbing four University of Idaho students are urging a judge to move his murder trial away from the county, arguing the intense media coverage and public interest in the case make it impossible for him to get a fair trial. The request marked the latest legal turn more than 20 months after the quadruple murder case made international headlines.

"The prolific media coverage, in Latah County, is not a mere passing story," Anne Taylor, a public defender for Bryan Kohberger, said in a change-of-venue motion made public Tuesday. "The content is not benign, rather, it is inflammatory, emotion evoking and often misleading, false, and poorly sourced. There is no reasonable belief that media coverage will slow, regardless of how long the case takes to prepare for trial."

In order to protect Kohberger's constitutional right to a fair trial, it should be moved to Boise, she said.

Latah County Prosecutor Bill Thompson has said he opposes moving the trial. He has argued that the case has received national and international attention so taking it away out of the county would not affect a potential jurors' familiarity with the case.

The two sides are scheduled to argue their positions at an Aug. 29 hearing.

 

[GrandmaBear]

You know, as far as venue, I'm not for defenses necessarily but imo just agree to it. I do agree and get that it is going to have had attention regardless of where it is when it hits national news and internet interest like it has, or like any has. But what's the big deal? Of course it's more burdensome and costly for the county and the prosecutors to travel when they likely have other cases and daily work to handle in their own county but a case like this is already time consuming and costly and should result in additional help and funding.

For me, it's like who cares, just give in to that one, a venue change. But maybe it is always argued as it would be like admitting such matters and I can agree with them there, it doesn't matter imo. No matter the publicity, jurors have to be found that can be fair even if they have heard of it or jurors that haven't, etc., etc. and maybe the prosecution side in this country knows to just agree is like admitting to that and asking for it to happen all of the time.

I DISAGREE the publicity should matter imo, ever. So I get that and agree there.

But if that's not the reason, I'd say maybe not the P but the judge should grant such and save all the trouble of the arguments and appeal efforts as to that issue later. Like I said, I personally don't see the big deal OTHER than the reasons mentioned and if they are the reasons.

The judge can even move with the trial or an outside jury be brought into their own county. Yes it's more costly and burdensome but the State itself should be ready to fund what it has to in a trial like this and help out.

There probably are other reasons for always arguing it I guess. Be interesting to know.

In this one particularly there'd be another reason I'd grant it--they want the trial held when school is not in session to not upset students and cause the small town major disruption. So any time it gets delayed, if it continues to get such delays which most trials do and defenses PULL imo, it will be set off for another full year, each and every time if they stick to that goal.

I just really don't see the big deal of granting such unless it's appearances of fighting one's side for voter's and public's appearance by the prosecution, not wanting it to become a precedent which I DO get, etc. But if those reasons don't apply, and I have no idea if they lie behind prosecutions always fighting such, then I don't see the big deal in granting change of venue.

 

[RoundPeg]

Lawyer for Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger wants trial moved to Boise, citing "inflammatory" coverage

Brian Kohberger is charged with fatally stabbing students Kaylee Goncalves, Madison Mogen, Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin on Nov. 13, 2022.

www.cbsnews.com

Updated on: July 24, 2024 / 6:25 AM EDT / CBS/AP

Lawyers for the man accused of fatally stabbing four University of Idaho students are urging a judge to move his murder trial away from the county, arguing the intense media coverage and public interest in the case make it impossible for him to get a fair trial. The request marked the latest legal turn more than 20 months after the quadruple murder case made international headlines.

"The prolific media coverage, in Latah County, is not a mere passing story," Anne Taylor, a public defender for Bryan Kohberger, said in a change-of-venue motion made public Tuesday. "The content is not benign, rather, it is inflammatory, emotion evoking and often misleading, false, and poorly sourced. There is no reasonable belief that media coverage will slow, regardless of how long the case takes to prepare for trial."

In order to protect Kohberger's constitutional right to a fair trial, it should be moved to Boise, she said.

Latah County Prosecutor Bill Thompson has said he opposes moving the trial. He has argued that the case has received national and international attention so taking it away out of the county would not affect a potential jurors' familiarity with the case.

The two sides are scheduled to argue their positions at an Aug. 29 hearing.

I think for appeal protection, it should be moved.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I know of no appeals ever being won on such but then I wouldn't know either.

There's always going to be publicity and always have even harkening back to just newspapers. And talk. On big cases. And the quieter these days they are, and it always probably has been the case, the more talk and speculation that goes on.

It comes down to the jury and if each juror can put aside IF they know of the case, etc. It is amazing how many don't. For all my crime following, if I talk to my mom, sisters, daughters, you name it, even with a big one, they've hardly ever heard a thing and know little if anything about them.

I agree though generally, what is the big deal, just grant the change of venue.

However, I suspect it has to do with more than that and if not argued, it is showing they are agreeing pretrial publicity means one can find fair jurors and they are never going to be able to stem pretrial publicity from the early days until now even if harkening back to talk at church and at the general store on the porch. I can only suspect that is the reason although it is often put down to money also and inconvenience for witnesses, officials, jurors.

Aside from if any of that could be used or is the reason, just give them their darned change of venue. On its simple face, I see no reason not to but I suspect there's more to the reasons it is always argued.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

Kohberger: Potential jurors warn 'they'd burn the courthouse'

Bryan Kohberger's defense team claims that potential jurors warned of riots and violence if he was found not guilty in Latah County.

www.courttv.com

Kohberger: Potential jurors warn ‘they’d burn the courthouse’​

A new filing from Bryan Kohberger’s defense team warns that potential jurors predicted violence in the streets if the alleged killer is acquitted at trial.

Kohberger is charged with the brutal murders of Ethan Chapin, Madison Mogen, Xana Kernodle and Kaylee Goncalves at their home near the University of Idaho. Six weeks after the students were stabbed to death, Kohberger was arrested.

Kohberger’s defense team has been fighting to move the trial, currently scheduled to begin in June 2025 in Latah County. The defense team conducted a phone survey of hundreds of potential jurors, asking them many questions about their knowledge of the case.

In response, prosecutors argued that the murders were so high-profile and that media coverage was so “pervasive and wide-ranging” that moving the trial would not likely yield jurors who are unfamiliar with the case.

Kohberger’s defense filed a response, arguing that during its survey, Latah County residents acknowledged their own bias in their answers to a question posed about what would happen if the defendant was not convicted.

“They’d burn the courthouse down. Outrage would be a mild description.”
“They would probably find him and kill him.”
“There would likely be a riot and he wouldn’t last long outside because someone would do the good ole’ boy justice.”
“Riots, parents would take care of him.”

By comparison, prospective jurors surveyed in Ada County offered very different responses to the same question.

“They would go on with life as always.”
“I think they would take it well.”
“I don’t know if there would be super strong feelings.”

The defense filing also points to two recent cases, Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow Daybell, who had their trials moved from Fremont County to Ada County because of publicity.

The motion is scheduled to be argued at a hearing on Aug. 29.

 

[GrandmaBear]

You know, I think I'm actually going to refrain from much of a comment. Want to make one but it's just kind of well, same D that influenced jury pools with pools, etc. Not sure this case is quite as well known as Daybell yet but yeah, it is WELL KNOWN.

People would burn the courthouse down and riot, etc. whatever...

You know, I don't actually have much issue with change of venue. So what. Unless of course something seems hinky or it is the D's home county, etc., and more.

In an ideal world maybe a case in FL should be able to be tried in Alasak for a fair jury no? But then it can't move out of state due to the way we are set up.

Our ENTIRE jury system is even if you have heard of it, can you be fair? Unbiased/ Etc.?

Every BIT of it is based on questions, trust and guessing... No matter where it is.

Go big defense attorney go. And again I say, GRANT IT. Don't let it be the game it is of months delay. Make her move on to a new thing. Plan it, move it, say okay.

The FACTS are HERE IN THIS ONE from ALL that has been seen.

Judge can go with, or jury can be brought in from elsewhere or all can be moved and all travel, including sadly the FAMILIES, lots of options. My leaning here is he will be found GUILTY as they have it on him. No matter where.

Short of, of course all the ridiculous b.s. going on these days.

Guess I did say a bit but not what I would if morning, etc.

And of course it always costs money and that needs to change too. Meaning should never be an issue with the ridiculous ways it is spent.

I do feel for the families. But think they are learning and even being told and talked to probably that this is not going to be quick, or easy.

His attorney was really touted in the beginning and I'm sorry, I see nothing yet that isn't a typical game playing defense attorney. And when I first heard otherwise, I was actually prepared to be impressed. So far, just the norm.

 

[Kimster]

Kohberger: Potential jurors warn 'they'd burn the courthouse'

Bryan Kohberger's defense team claims that potential jurors warned of riots and violence if he was found not guilty in Latah County.

www.courttv.com

Kohberger: Potential jurors warn ‘they’d burn the courthouse’​

A new filing from Bryan Kohberger’s defense team warns that potential jurors predicted violence in the streets if the alleged killer is acquitted at trial.

Kohberger is charged with the brutal murders of Ethan Chapin, Madison Mogen, Xana Kernodle and Kaylee Goncalves at their home near the University of Idaho. Six weeks after the students were stabbed to death, Kohberger was arrested.

Kohberger’s defense team has been fighting to move the trial, currently scheduled to begin in June 2025 in Latah County. The defense team conducted a phone survey of hundreds of potential jurors, asking them many questions about their knowledge of the case.

In response, prosecutors argued that the murders were so high-profile and that media coverage was so “pervasive and wide-ranging” that moving the trial would not likely yield jurors who are unfamiliar with the case.

Kohberger’s defense filed a response, arguing that during its survey, Latah County residents acknowledged their own bias in their answers to a question posed about what would happen if the defendant was not convicted.

“They’d burn the courthouse down. Outrage would be a mild description.”
“They would probably find him and kill him.”
“There would likely be a riot and he wouldn’t last long outside because someone would do the good ole’ boy justice.”
“Riots, parents would take care of him.”

By comparison, prospective jurors surveyed in Ada County offered very different responses to the same question.

“They would go on with life as always.”
“I think they would take it well.”
“I don’t know if there would be super strong feelings.”

The defense filing also points to two recent cases, Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow Daybell, who had their trials moved from Fremont County to Ada County because of publicity.

The motion is scheduled to be argued at a hearing on Aug. 29.

Personally, I don’t care where they hold the trial. I just care that they hold a trial.

 

[Cousin Dupree]

Personally, I don’t care where they hold the trial. I just care that they hold a trial.

That is a stupid thing for people to say. Right there is a possible appeals issue. Just shut up, people, and let the trial take place. There is enough evidence to convict him.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I've already said, go ahead and move such trials unless in this backwards world if they move it then it is looked at as admission there is a problem.

I give a sh*t where they try them. I do care it is burdensome on witnesses and family to travel and expensive and need a place to stay in many cases and expensive to taxpayers, time on LE that needs to also be available to respond to other crimes and so forth, but other than that, I give a sh*t.

If they are guilty and the case is solid, a decent and average jury is going to find them guilty anywhere.

I do however get the issues such can cause.

However, there is also something to be said for cases like Daybell and now Kohberger, what's the difference if tried at home? The nation and even the world knows of the cases already so it changes nothing to move it either.

You are going to have to weed jurors out no matter WHERE you go.

And in most cases, like in this one, it is just one of many delay tactics and throwing in issues, and trying to put anything and everything they can in for appeal based.

They can't leave the state or I'd say bring it here. I'll go watch it in person. And glare daggers he will be able to feel through his back.

Anyhow there's two sides to such.

But again, I care less what the decision is so long as it causes no further delay and not worse problems for the families. Which from what I understand, it will.

 

[RoundPeg]

 

[GrandmaBear]

Wow the U is in a real hurry to do something with it. Not. Even though in a hurry to have it demolished.

 

[Cousin Dupree]

Wow the U is in a real hurry to do something with it. Not. Even though in a hurry to have it demolished.

It being around probably hurts enrollment.

 

[GrandmaBear]

It being around probably hurts enrollment.

I was going to say something similar but figured why because it's obvious what their deal is and always was right? Yeah, it's bad for looks and PR for the school. They cared about NOTHING but their image. I think the former owner even giving it to the school was something I'd have NEVER done and that put it in their selfish, image worried hands. If i'd have not needed the asset and could just "give" it away, I'd have asked the families, not that they'd want the murder site, but they might want control of what happens to it. Similar in same but different ways to how the family feels about the new owner's plans for Chad Daybell's property. Of course they don't WANT it or want to even think of it NOR buy it, I mean Kay and Larry, even Brandon could have bought it OUTRIGHT but I doubt ever thought someone would and look to make off it which is what it appears to be to me...

Different scenarios but still similar in ways.

That owner could have done different here and waited even. So could the U. They are deaf but they're not. They simply are all about their own image and their own image is BAD. And sorry but that owner may even be U connected, God knows he made plenty of money off students through the years with it being a slightly off campus housing and party house for students. I'm not saying either owner nor the U caused this but I am saying talk about cold indifference... And self worry. It's just sad to see such which is all too common these days.

You know though, razing that house and needing it done pronto helps them not at all looking at the lot now imo. Now it is a desolate reminder and obvious the school just wanted it down and then have proceeded with NOTHING at all. I also think as in Daybell the last thing families would want is some memorial park of where their children were bludgeoned to death. I said it in Daybell too and that IS how most of them feel.

It isn't the same but of course in our case she was killed in his home which stands and always will. If you don't think I wouldn't like to torch that place in a very small town I no longer will go through but where I grew up going plenty, BULLSH*T. They aren't remembrance places, victims imo in almost all cases want no such thing, you can't bless them and put a bench up. EVIL happpened there. It isn't a fond memory, it is where they met their unfair deaths, etc.

Of course I'm law abiding so I would never torch his home but that doesn't mean I don't think or wish it burned down naturally or some such. But HE77 then insurance would probably pay him.

BUT I also do NOT mean before a case is OVER as they did HERE. Pushed and powered and made it happen despite those not wanting such to happen.

I wouldn't send my kid there as a parent regardless of what they do. They aren't responsible for the murders but they've shown their absolute lack of concern for parents of their OWN murdered students and tone deafness. (More than that but we will call it that, it is self interest and appearance) That has more appearance and a bad one than what they hope will fix such. Who wants their kid at a school who so callously ignores all of such.

First morning off so can take some time for once to indulge in a few posts and thoughts. Not that everything else is not burning out of control and the list of what I really need to do and never enough time to do isn't in the back of my head, sigh.

But yeah, the home probably did hurt enrollment. As did the murders. But so will their response imo. if my kid was already enrolled there, I'd yank them out for how they treated these parents and this situation.

 

[Summer_Breeze]

Idaho murder suspect acquittal would lead to riots and "good ole' boy justice," survey shows, according to lawyers

Bryan Kohberger faces four counts of murder in the deaths of Ethan Chapin, Xana Kernodle, Madison Mogen and Kaylee Goncalves.

www.cbsnews.com

Updated on: August 29, 2024 / 7:18 AM EDT / CBS/AP

Attorneys for the man charged in the stabbing deaths of four University of Idaho students in 2022 say the pressure to convict is so severe that some Latah County residents are predicting lynch mobs or riots if he is acquitted.

Bryan Kohberger's defense lawyer Elisa Massoth made that argument in a filing this month, saying the only way he can get a fair trial is to move it to a new location.

Second District John Judge is scheduled to preside over a hearing on the motion for a change of venue Thursday morning. If he agrees, the trial, set for June of 2025, could be moved from Moscow to Boise or another larger Idaho city.

<snip>

Kohberger first requested a change of venue in January, when his attorney Anne Taylor wrote in a court filing that a fair and impartial jury could be found in Latah County "owing to the extensive, inflammatory pretrial publicity, allegations made about Mr. Kohberger to the public by media that will be inadmissible at his trial, the small size of the community, the salacious nature of the alleged crimes, and the severity of the charges Mr. Kohberger faces."

Defendants have a constitutional right to a fair trial, and that requires finding jurors that can be impartial and haven't already made up their minds about the guilt or innocence of the person accused. But when the defense team hired a company to survey Latah County residents, 98% percent of the respondents said they recognized the case and 70% of that group said they had already formed the opinion that Kohberger is guilty. More than half of the respondents with that opinion also said nothing would change their mind, according to defense court filings.

Some respondents also made dire predictions, according to the filings, saying that if Kohberger is acquitted, "There would likely be a riot and he wouldn't last long outside because someone would do the good ole' boy justice," "They'd burn the courthouse down," and "Riots, parents would take care of him."

Prosecutors wanted the judge to disregard the survey, saying it didn't include all the data about people who declined to respond to the survey. Prosecutor Bill Thompson and Special Assistant Attorney General Ingrid Batey said in court documents that there are other ways to ensure a fair trial short of moving the proceeding hundreds of miles away, including widening the pool of potential jurors to include neighboring counties.

Any venue change would be expensive and also force court staffers, witnesses, experts, law enforcement officers and victims' family members to make an inconvenient trip to the new location, the prosecution team said.

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More at link. ~Summer

 

[Cousin Dupree]

Maybe they should move the trial to Moscow Russia.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Idaho murder suspect acquittal would lead to riots and "good ole' boy justice," survey shows, according to lawyers

Bryan Kohberger faces four counts of murder in the deaths of Ethan Chapin, Xana Kernodle, Madison Mogen and Kaylee Goncalves.

www.cbsnews.com

Updated on: August 29, 2024 / 7:18 AM EDT / CBS/AP

Attorneys for the man charged in the stabbing deaths of four University of Idaho students in 2022 say the pressure to convict is so severe that some Latah County residents are predicting lynch mobs or riots if he is acquitted.

Bryan Kohberger's defense lawyer Elisa Massoth made that argument in a filing this month, saying the only way he can get a fair trial is to move it to a new location.

Second District John Judge is scheduled to preside over a hearing on the motion for a change of venue Thursday morning. If he agrees, the trial, set for June of 2025, could be moved from Moscow to Boise or another larger Idaho city.

<snip>

Kohberger first requested a change of venue in January, when his attorney Anne Taylor wrote in a court filing that a fair and impartial jury could be found in Latah County "owing to the extensive, inflammatory pretrial publicity, allegations made about Mr. Kohberger to the public by media that will be inadmissible at his trial, the small size of the community, the salacious nature of the alleged crimes, and the severity of the charges Mr. Kohberger faces."

Defendants have a constitutional right to a fair trial, and that requires finding jurors that can be impartial and haven't already made up their minds about the guilt or innocence of the person accused. But when the defense team hired a company to survey Latah County residents, 98% percent of the respondents said they recognized the case and 70% of that group said they had already formed the opinion that Kohberger is guilty. More than half of the respondents with that opinion also said nothing would change their mind, according to defense court filings.

Some respondents also made dire predictions, according to the filings, saying that if Kohberger is acquitted, "There would likely be a riot and he wouldn't last long outside because someone would do the good ole' boy justice," "They'd burn the courthouse down," and "Riots, parents would take care of him."

Prosecutors wanted the judge to disregard the survey, saying it didn't include all the data about people who declined to respond to the survey. Prosecutor Bill Thompson and Special Assistant Attorney General Ingrid Batey said in court documents that there are other ways to ensure a fair trial short of moving the proceeding hundreds of miles away, including widening the pool of potential jurors to include neighboring counties.

Any venue change would be expensive and also force court staffers, witnesses, experts, law enforcement officers and victims' family members to make an inconvenient trip to the new location, the prosecution team said.

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More at link. ~Summer

Go ahead and move it for God's sake. And every time a delay happens Moscow wants it when college is out in the summer, so each delay will be like a YEAR long. But I'd remind that this defnese was pulling sh*t on what they were telling people when polling, etc...

I don't envy the parents of these kids. However, the defense attorneys entirely disgust me. Know of Ann, don't think I've ever heard of E-lisa before.

in fact, let's just swap counties in every case, it would save a TON of time and no complaints should be able to be made.

Ya know I'm in a different state and county all together and I know tons about the case... So the point would be....?

 

[GrandmaBear]

I have to come back a second after leaving to say one more thing. You know I think most of us used to think defense attorneys only fought hard when really believing in their client's innocence and even if they knew them to or felt them to be guilty they would not represent. It's not the case. How do women like this think this guy is innocent? it's the same in Morphew and many others. how can you ethically defend such if you don't believe it? Or morally. All I know is I could not. Every fiber in my soul would not allow it. They are different animals and maybe get off on being at cross purposes and attention.

Rights are one thing, screwing justice is another and the games and ploys.

 

[Cousin Dupree]

I have to come back a second after leaving to say one more thing. You know I think most of us used to think defense attorneys only fought hard when really believing in their client's innocence and even if they knew them to or felt them to be guilty they would not represent. It's not the case. How do women like this think this guy is innocent? it's the same in Morphew and many others. how can you ethically defend such if you don't believe it? Or morally. All I know is I could not. Every fiber in my soul would not allow it. They are different animals and maybe get off on being at cross purposes and attention.

Rights are one thing, screwing justice is another and the games and ploys.

$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[GrandmaBear]

$$$$$$$$$$$

Yeah in some cases maybe but these are state paid attorneys.

 

[Cousin Dupree]

Yeah in some cases maybe but these are state paid attorneys.

Then they have no choice. They lost the lottery.