JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell *GUILTY*

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Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua “JJ” Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

Since that time, the story has gained international attention as it’s taken twists and turns involving a purported cult, dead spouses, delusions of divinity and preparing for the end of the world. Despite all the angles, and the ever-growing number of people related to the case, the facts remain essentially the same as when it was first announced.

The two children remain missing and the parents, Lori (Vallow) Daybell, and her new husband, Chad Daybell, refuse to disclose their whereabouts to police. Both have been named persons of interest in the disappearance of the children. Law enforcement is also investigating the deaths of the Daybells’ previous respective spouses, Charles Vallow and Tammy Daybell, though neither Chad nor Lori have been named suspects in those cases.

Written timeline of events
  • April 3, 2018 - Tylee Ryan's father, Joseph Ryan, dies. Death ruled heart attack.
  • December 2018 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow make first appearance on Preparing a People podcast.
  • February 2019 - Charles Vallow files for divorce from Lori, claiming she viewed herself as a god preparing for the second coming, and she would kill him if he got in her way.
  • February - April 2019 - Lori disappears for nearly two months, leaving her children with others.
  • June 2019 - Lori's niece demands a divorce from her husband, who says she shares similar beliefs to her aunt.
  • July 11, 2019 - Charles Vallow shot and killed by Lori's brother Alex Cox. Shooting initially ruled self-defense.
  • August 2019 - Lori moves to Rexburg, Idaho with kids
  • September 3, 2019 - Joshua "JJ" Vallow enrolled in school
  • September 23, 2019 - JJ last attended school
  • September 24, 2019 - Lori unenrolls JJ from school, saying she would be homeschooling him.
  • September 2019 - Tylee also seen in September, but it's unclear when and where (she had graduated early)
  • October 2, 2019 - Lori's niece's ex-husband was shot at, missing his head by inches. Shooter was driving a vehicle registered to Charles Vallow.
  • October 9, 2019 - Tammy Daybell, Chad's wife, called 911 and said a masked man shot at her with a paintball gun.
  • October 19, 2019 - Tammy Daybell dies, death is ruled natural
  • October 25, 2019 - Tylee, or someone using her phone, texts a friend
  • Late October / Early November 2019 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow get married
  • November 26, 2019 - Welfare check requested for JJ at the request of extended family - police are told he is in Arizona with family, but he is not
  • November 27, 2019 - Police return to serve a search warrant, finding the Daybell's gone
  • December 12, 2019 - Lori's brother, who had shot her ex-husband, dies mysteriously in Arizona
  • December 20, 2019 - Search for JJ and Tylee goes public
  • December 30, 2019 - LE says Lori knows where her children are but will not cooperate
  • January 25, 2020 - Chad & Lori are located in Hawaii, served with a notice that she must produce the children within 5 days
  • January 30, 2020 - Lori fails to produce JJ and Tylee
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REXBURG — Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua "JJ" Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.
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GrandmaBear said:
Another point she made in the video (the cousin) is how in Charles' death, Alex claimed on 911 not to know how to do CPR. When Alex died, the adult kid calling in (Zulema's kid) claimed not to know how to do CPR. I noted the same thing always but never voiced it.

I'd go on to add that other similarities are that Chad did not claim to know Lori nor admit to being married to her and even said he didn't know her that well, Lori reported Chad as her "brother's friend" and Zulema's kid apparently did not know Alex and his mother were married, or DID he....? Quite similar really...
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They had only been married two weeks to be fair.
 
RoundPeg said:
So, that phone call between Summer and Lori was some of that teeth sinking info I was talking about. Summer is completely hysterical and Lori is cool as a cucumber. She wanted some happiness. Right after your kids were murdered? 66% of your offspring are dead and you're dancing on the beach (Go Summer!).
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And your own husband and your new husband's wife not yet cold in her grave.
 
GrandmaBear said:
It is. Even the anger is. I can identify but in a different way with confronting one who has murdered or been part of one. In her case, it is her sister but boy do I understand the anger over what she did to them.

I never would have thought I could root for Summer but when she got angry, I was like you GO for it, keep giving it!
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Did Summer say in either the phone call or her testimony where she thought the kids were all this time? (From Sept 2019 till they were dug up approx 9 months later).
 
Tresir said:
And ensure her hair was curled every day.
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The video with the cousin sure touches on how important outside appearance was to their father, and he judged on it as well. Explains maybe Stacy's food issues and Lori's over-emphasis and concern on appearance.

Honestly I feel this is a thing as well with LDS. I notice it all of the time, long before the Vallow case. I notice it with Mel G. With Mel B/P. With Summer. With Janice. With the cousin even who no longer is in it but was raised in it. In many prior cases/people of LDS. I'm sorry if it is generalizing, I don't like to "group" people with a judgment but what I'm saying is there is something in this religion or teaching that makes it important. Money is another one I notice as having importance.

With Lori I guess she got a double dose as her dad over emphasized it but he also went on about such at temple, etc. and where did he get it...?
 
Tresir said:
Alex was left home to look after Stacy. Stacy "died" and he used her credit card. She was cremated. Similar to Alex taking care of JJ when he was killed.
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Yeah. Alex. To "take care of". While all others were away and had an alibi... Sounds very familiar. Not saying anything with certainty but one has to wonder...

Then he gets his cousin to go with him to check on her as he had been worried about her and it almost sounded like hadn't been checking on her, etc. or over there recently and so on? So he has a witness... Sound familiar....? Almost like bringing up Mel G. and David the weekend JJ died... IF they weren't involved even...

If he was home to take care of her then why was he with the cousin having fun... Why did she have alcohol in her system in a Mormon household and how did she get it...

I tell you this "case" and hearing things such as this back when that have such similarities can sure get the wheels turning.... I think that's what the cousin has going on and is matching up or wondering about and we only know not even the half of it and it gets us thinking...

Yes and then he "profits" or uses her credit card...
 
Tresir said:
Maybe they discussed Chad at the end and it was hearsay or something. Would they be able to play that if they did?

Both Lori and Chad have a chance to blame this all on Alex. I wonder if that is what they will do? Except for Tammy's death. The paintball incident was clearly Alex. Nothing much has been said yet about Tammy has it?
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As you probably know, I haven't been able to watch all but have read all here and try to get a summary, etc. and listen to what I can. And I feel in the last few days a LOT has been added of knowledge with the texts and so forth. Yes each of them can try to blame it on Alex but it is pretty clear and is gaining far more "weight" that it was a conspiracy, a "plan", and all were involved. I mean really, why would Alex, a "teenager" in mind, do such on his own and how could he? He was carrying out their plan if he did.

I think Lori as things come out would have her best chance of blaming it on Chad and the best chance of that flying because there is a lot that would support that BUT then there are all these things that show she knew what she was doing and he didn't just "snow" her with beliefs and use a vulnerable person and beguile her to where she thought her demon children (their label of darkness, NOT me saying that) needed to die.

Lots of problems with either. Charles came before for one thing. Lori profited from all and was all about that for another. And on and on.

This case is getting nailed imo. I will even say I am impressed with the prosecution of it and I was concerned prior about this. Day by day it builds with each person and part and it is just getting now to where the picture is becoming so solid that even her putting it on Alex or Chad or both isn't going to cut it imo.
 
Tresir said:
Maybe they discussed Chad at the end and it was hearsay or something. Would they be able to play that if they did?

Both Lori and Chad have a chance to blame this all on Alex. I wonder if that is what they will do? Except for Tammy's death. The paintball incident was clearly Alex. Nothing much has been said yet about Tammy has it?
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Also most people all along thought Chad had the better chance to blame Lori and Alex, etc. due to not his kids, Lori being some temptress, etc., etc. I think Lori would have the better chance right now, not that either has much chance imo.

Chad would still have to explain Tammy and Lori would have to explain Charles just for starters.

The texts and sheer volume of things that are piling up, it is beyond enough...

And boils down to.... Dancing on the beach. Celebrating. I'd end closing statement with that picture I think... All done for not the 144K but done to clear their path to easy street.
 
Tresir said:
Maybe they discussed Chad at the end and it was hearsay or something. Would they be able to play that if they did?

Both Lori and Chad have a chance to blame this all on Alex. I wonder if that is what they will do? Except for Tammy's death. The paintball incident was clearly Alex. Nothing much has been said yet about Tammy has it?
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yeah as to how it ended, hard to say. something may have been said that they can't share or was argued in court and ordered couldn't be shared.
 
GrandmaBear said:
How so? Archibald only asked here if Summer though Lori would ever kill or hurt her kids? That could play to Alex having done it or Chad or both, etc.

I do think Chad has come front and center though a lot due to testimony by various witnesses like Summer, and like Mel G. and Zulema who all said various things showing he was checked with as to if castings worked, etc. by Lori and so on. Personally I don't believe she bowed down to him or anything, I think they played pretty equally in their manipulation of all.

Your question brings up another interesting one though. Do we think Lori will stay loyal to Chad or will the defense throw both Alex and Chad under the bus rather than just Alex? It will tell us I think just if there is still a loyalty there imo.

It will tell how Lori is these days about Chad. She wouldn't let Archibald use any kind of mental health issues for her re her defense and if she doesn't want Chad fingered, I believe he would listen to his client and not do so, just as he listened to her with the mental health part.

This all makes one thing clear--Lori IS assisting in her own defense and is most assuredly capable of doing so.

And that makes me pretty certain she is the one that wanted him to get Kay and Lori banned from the courtroom before testifying. I mean he could have thought of it and done it but the points made about it and it being done has Lori written all over it.
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Lori is definitely assisting in her own defense. She made it very clear that she did not want this to be an insanity defense.
 
RoundPeg said:
So, that phone call between Summer and Lori was some of that teeth sinking info I was talking about. Summer is completely hysterical and Lori is cool as a cucumber. She wanted some happiness. Right after your kids were murdered? 66% of your offspring are dead and you're dancing on the beach (Go Summer!).
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Yeah it is hard to put into words but with such a loss you aren't even coping in a "couple of months" or able to dance on the beach. I don't care if all process differently, it just isn't possible if you cared even if you weren't involved. And to plan, plot, buy rings with a dead husband's account, etc., etc.

She is cool as a cucumber when her life long loved sister is breaking down entirely and I'd actually call her ICE. Not only did she want some happiness but she wanted that happiness with the very man whose property her kids mutilated bodies were buried on...

Uh yeah right Lori, it's all just coincidence...
 
Tresir said:
They had only been married two weeks to be fair.
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yeah kid could have been an innocent but just saying it all is a bit reminiscent and what a plan possibly.... kind of like how tylee got a baseball bat... i mean use or put it on a kid they will seem to be the innocent... adult kid or minor teen kid, etc... just saying as i think she was (the cousin) some things just kind of are hmmm....

it's like Lori with the story of JJ getting on top of the cupboards etc., supposedly about identical to something Chad said about his son Garth in one of his books long prior...
 
GrandmaBear said:
The video with the cousin sure touches on how important outside appearance was to their father, and he judged on it as well. Explains maybe Stacy's food issues and Lori's over-emphasis and concern on appearance.

Honestly I feel this is a thing as well with LDS. I notice it all of the time, long before the Vallow case. I notice it with Mel G. With Mel B/P. With Summer. With Janice. With the cousin even who no longer is in it but was raised in it. In many prior cases/people of LDS. I'm sorry if it is generalizing, I don't like to "group" people with a judgment but what I'm saying is there is something in this religion or teaching that makes it important. Money is another one I notice as having importance.

With Lori I guess she got a double dose as her dad over emphasized it but he also went on about such at temple, etc. and where did he get it...?
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I never noticed anything like that with the Mormons in my family. They’re all pretty humble when it comes to clothes, etc.
 
Tresir said:
They had only been married two weeks to be fair.
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Yeah... Who doesn't tell their family they are getting married? Especially a son that is living there with her...? Oh yeah, Chad and Lori and Zulema and Alex and most likely Melanie and Ian too all likely didn't tell anyone much...
 
Tresir said:
Did Summer say in either the phone call or her testimony where she thought the kids were all this time? (From Sept 2019 till they were dug up approx 9 months later).
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I haven't yet listened to her testimony, only the phone call.

I imagine Lori somehow convinced her mom and Summer they needed to be kept safe somewhere due to dangers from Kay or some such and that she couldn't tell them. That would be my guess or that they were just HOPING there was an explanation...
 
To be fair didn't we all hope there was an explanation at least until we heard more and more come out and until they were found... This case has been a lot but I do recall the early days on this thread of trying to hope something else was the reason and we aren't even family... So I'd imagine her family had real hope she didn't do anything and there was some reason she wasn't telling where they were because after all as Lori said, "you KNOW me Summer"...
 
Kimster said:
I never noticed anything like that with the Mormons in my family. They’re all pretty humble when it comes to clothes, etc.
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I think, not sure, we see the different generations for one... I think of even the Arias case and the one on the stand Travis dated who testified, and Mel G. and Mel P, etc. Lori is a bit different with it. BUt it is generally quality clothing, classy and definitely not Goodwill or Walmart, etc. Generally hair clearly done at a salon, etc. The one I didn't see it with was Tammy. I see it with Janis and Summer and Colby's wife. And the cousin. I'm not knocking it, we do it or don't as we can as well but it is a "thing". Many cases too. A front. Money. Never sure what many do for a living to live the way they do. I could see it in Charles.

Sorry but it reminds me of like Jehovah's W. They show up in quality suits and clothing and dresses in the nicest of cars knocking on doors. MONEY. IMAGE.
 
GrandmaBear said:
I think, not sure, we see the different generations for one... I think of even the Arias case and the one on the stand Travis dated who testified, and Mel G. and Mel P, etc. Lori is a bit different with it. BUt it is generally quality clothing, classy and definitely not Goodwill or Walmart, etc. Generally hair clearly done at a salon, etc. The one I didn't see it with was Tammy. I see it with Janis and Summer and Colby's wife. And the cousin. I'm not knocking it, we do it or don't as we can as well but it is a "thing". Many cases too. A front. Money. Never sure what many do for a living to live the way they do. I could see it in Charles.

Sorry but it reminds me of like Jehovah's W. They show up in quality suits and clothing and dresses in the nicest of cars knocking on doors. MONEY. IMAGE.
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Charles had a proper insurance business though. Remember Lori took $35k from one of his accounts?
 
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