JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell *GUILTY*

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Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua “JJ” Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

Since that time, the story has gained international attention as it’s taken twists and turns involving a purported cult, dead spouses, delusions of divinity and preparing for the end of the world. Despite all the angles, and the ever-growing number of people related to the case, the facts remain essentially the same as when it was first announced.

The two children remain missing and the parents, Lori (Vallow) Daybell, and her new husband, Chad Daybell, refuse to disclose their whereabouts to police. Both have been named persons of interest in the disappearance of the children. Law enforcement is also investigating the deaths of the Daybells’ previous respective spouses, Charles Vallow and Tammy Daybell, though neither Chad nor Lori have been named suspects in those cases.

Written timeline of events
  • April 3, 2018 - Tylee Ryan's father, Joseph Ryan, dies. Death ruled heart attack.
  • December 2018 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow make first appearance on Preparing a People podcast.
  • February 2019 - Charles Vallow files for divorce from Lori, claiming she viewed herself as a god preparing for the second coming, and she would kill him if he got in her way.
  • February - April 2019 - Lori disappears for nearly two months, leaving her children with others.
  • June 2019 - Lori's niece demands a divorce from her husband, who says she shares similar beliefs to her aunt.
  • July 11, 2019 - Charles Vallow shot and killed by Lori's brother Alex Cox. Shooting initially ruled self-defense.
  • August 2019 - Lori moves to Rexburg, Idaho with kids
  • September 3, 2019 - Joshua "JJ" Vallow enrolled in school
  • September 23, 2019 - JJ last attended school
  • September 24, 2019 - Lori unenrolls JJ from school, saying she would be homeschooling him.
  • September 2019 - Tylee also seen in September, but it's unclear when and where (she had graduated early)
  • October 2, 2019 - Lori's niece's ex-husband was shot at, missing his head by inches. Shooter was driving a vehicle registered to Charles Vallow.
  • October 9, 2019 - Tammy Daybell, Chad's wife, called 911 and said a masked man shot at her with a paintball gun.
  • October 19, 2019 - Tammy Daybell dies, death is ruled natural
  • October 25, 2019 - Tylee, or someone using her phone, texts a friend
  • Late October / Early November 2019 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow get married
  • November 26, 2019 - Welfare check requested for JJ at the request of extended family - police are told he is in Arizona with family, but he is not
  • November 27, 2019 - Police return to serve a search warrant, finding the Daybell's gone
  • December 12, 2019 - Lori's brother, who had shot her ex-husband, dies mysteriously in Arizona
  • December 20, 2019 - Search for JJ and Tylee goes public
  • December 30, 2019 - LE says Lori knows where her children are but will not cooperate
  • January 25, 2020 - Chad & Lori are located in Hawaii, served with a notice that she must produce the children within 5 days
  • January 30, 2020 - Lori fails to produce JJ and Tylee
www.eastidahonews.com

The latest timeline in the cases of Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell - East Idaho News

REXBURG — Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua "JJ" Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.
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GrandmaBear said:
Yeah, it is interesting. The deference they show him. Interesting how all seem to have Gilbert AZ and then Rexburg, ID etc. connections, podcasts, books, happened to meet, be on his show, etc., etc. Does it mean he did something? No. But it is uncanny. I guess much can be put down to the church and the areas they all move between...? Like ID to AZ and vice versa... All or many follow some similar beliefs and are in things like Feeding the People, end times, etc...

He talks of wingnuts on the internet and they talk of keyboard warriors and yeah, I'm sure they've seen plenty of that but never refer to Chad, Lori, Mel or any of them as wingnuts... Jason doesn't, the cops don't, etc. just about the people on the internet.

There was enough reason to bring him in and what I wonder did they ever find out as to his whereabouts over those months?

If I recall, he was also fired or let go as a cop. Probably made to resign if I recall correctly. Funny how he refers to it here with "fellow" cops that he retired...

This all seemed just normal, friendly, no big deal... Why is it if my memory serves that I connect him with Lori and Mel G very much and they make reference to him I think in some communication or two making it sound as if he is someone close and that they can count on... Memory is foggy with it...

What did they ever find out as to where he was. He as much as said he wasn't working I think and yes he was traveling a lot at about that time... He checked his calendar and found nothing but I kept thinking why is it he isn't checking his texts? That's what would tell me what I might have been doing... That I was texting my mom, my boss, my sister, my kids, etc. saying this or that...

And Lori wanted to meet him as she knew he authored this or that he said... Sounds familiar.
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Yes the cop interview was very much a "us cops" thing but I noticed how they got his fingerprints (the guy lent him his glasses to read something) and later they convinced him to give a DNA swab. A couple of times they said to him we will talk about that later or we talked about that earlier which I assume was something they did not want on tape. With his job, I think he wanted a payout - he was injured on the job quite seriously according to what he says on the podcast. He "warriors up" and pulls himself out of a bad place etc etc. I guess the bit I didn't listen to was the compensation claim maybe.
 
Tresir said:
Portal sex doesn't count.

Here's another article about the marijuana legalisation.

Mormon church backs deal to legalize medical marijuana in Utah | Mormonism | The Guardian

Ranking global leader Jack Gerard said they were ‘thrilled’ to be part of effort to ‘alleviate human pain and suffering’
amp.theguardian.com amp.theguardian.com

This cannot be a coincidence. Cannabis was legalized in October 2018 and Lori and Chad met at the St. George Utah conference in October 2018. Within a year there were four murders and one attempted murder.

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It seems you never smoked pot. So I'll let you know what goes through a stoners head while high.

The relaxing weed high

(Must be done in order)
1. What's on TV - Find out and turn it on right now.
2. Is the TV set to optimal sight line from where you'll be lying on the couch.
3. Snacks - I bought some cookies and milk yesterday, didn't I? Did I eat the cookies already? I know there's milk, I didn't drink a gallon of milk yesterday. Ok, in the freezer is some ice cream. Half a tub of chocolate and half a tub of....
4. kicking back relaxing on the ground, Why does it have to beachy. I kick back best with my girl in my NYC apartment. Just fine.
5. If the phone rings ignore it unless it's a friend you invited over.
 
Cousin Dupree said:
It seems you never smoked pot. So I'll let you know what goes through a stoners head while high.

The relaxing weed high

(Must be done in order)
1. What's on TV - Find out and turn it on right now.
2. Is the TV set to optimal sight line from where you'll be lying on the couch.
3. Snacks - I bought some cookies and milk yesterday, didn't I? Did I eat the cookies already? I know there's milk, I didn't drink a gallon of milk yesterday. Ok, in the freezer is some ice cream. Half a tub of chocolate and half a tub of....
4. kicking back relaxing on the ground, Why does it have to beachy. I kick back best with my girl in my NYC apartment. Just fine.
5. If the phone rings ignore it unless it's a friend you invited over.
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What if you drink alcohol as well? I only ever smoked pot once and it didn't have an effect. AFAIK anyway.
 
MMP is not a new thing by any means. This 'Church of the Firstborn' is not new either.

Joseph Smith and Multiple Mortal Probations

What follows is a thesis on the controversial doctrine from the 19th century referred to as multiple mortal probations, which fell out of favor along with Adam-God. This thesis explains a bunch of odd data points and suggests a straightforward explanation for the origin of Adam-God. The sources a...
www.mormondialogue.org
 
This is a short article about Manson, his coercion tactics and "Groupthink". His followers killed 6 people. Lori and Chad killed 4 and attempted to kill a 5th. Also, a 6th, Alex, is a bit of a mystery.


"Manson once said, "You can convince anybody of anything if you just push it at them all the time…especially if they have no other information to draw their opinions from."


www.thecrimesheet.com

Charles Manson's 'Coercion Cocktail' Recipe

While Manson's murder victims are the most known in the media, other victims of his include those in his cult, "The Family."
www.thecrimesheet.com www.thecrimesheet.com

"Many of "The Family" members recall that Manson began his godliness preaching and prophecy during their time on Spahn Ranch. He looked like Jesus, and all he had to do was act like it.




"One of the cult followers nicknamed Gypsy said in an interview following Manson's sentencing that he'd often make quick side comments about dying on the cross.




"Gypsy also reported, "He'd say things like, 'I died once already, I'm not getting killed this time' and it was often enough to make you believe it."




"He also alluded to the mere power of his last name -- believing that Manson meant that he was the 'Son of Man' and therefore, the son of God.




"The final ingredient in Manson's coercion cocktail was heavy and consistent hallucinogenic drug use.​




"There seemed to be an endless amount of marijuana, LSD, mushrooms, and other psychedelics on the ranch. After the members were arrested, it was reported that they were taking acid trips multiple times a day, every day, for nearly six months.




"During those acid trips, Manson was in charge of dosing the drugs. He was a master at this and knew just the right amount to give so that everyone had other-worldly experiences, but were still cognizant enough to be impressionable.




"It was during those trips that his followers believed to see miracles, like Manson bringing a bird back to life. Manson also professed to having visions while on hallucinogenics that included a deadly race war which he called "Helter Skelter" inspired by the Beatle's popular record.

"Dianne "Snake" Lake who was 16 at the time of the murders, was diagnosed with schizophrenia shortly after being arrested. She was sent to a mental rehabilitation facility originally for 90 days, but was admitted for 9 months. Dianne told doctors that Manson infested her brain.




"It was like he was in my head telling me to turn left, turn right, shut the lights off and close the door. He was always there," she said.
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"Charles Manson's "Family" is quite possibly the most extreme example of the psychological concept of groupthink. Psychology Today defines this as is a phenomenon that occurs when the desire for harmony or conformity in the group results in a dysfunctional decision-making outcome.




I believe the saddest part about this story is that after FBI Profiler John Douglas met with Manson, Douglas concluded that Manson never even believed the delusions he was spouting to his followers.




Everything he said was calculated, falsified, and all meant to brainwash other people into being murder machines.




This makes him the epitome of a monster. "
 
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RoundPeg said:
If Chad and Lori had sex before they were married, it might have been justified because "we were married in another life". Also, didn't they have a "sealing" prior to being married?
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It's also the story alleged he told tons of other women, that they were married in a former life so that made cheating with him on their hubs ok.
 
Tresir said:
Portal sex before marriage plus grabbing the storm a few times. That's why they were in such a hurry to marry I guess.
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Grabbing the storm (not going to capitalize storm for obvious reasons lol) through his sacred temple garments you mean...? Sorry had to say it. I gather Tammy had her temple garments on under her nightgown when murdered. She would likely be mortified to know others now know this.

SICK and EVIL this Twisted Apple Dumpling Gang.
 
Tresir said:
Yes the cop interview was very much a "us cops" thing but I noticed how they got his fingerprints (the guy lent him his glasses to read something) and later they convinced him to give a DNA swab. A couple of times they said to him we will talk about that later or we talked about that earlier which I assume was something they did not want on tape. With his job, I think he wanted a payout - he was injured on the job quite seriously according to what he says on the podcast. He "warriors up" and pulls himself out of a bad place etc etc. I guess the bit I didn't listen to was the compensation claim maybe.
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I think there is more to Mow than it looks. I'd have to go way back to review why. I think Lori and Mel G talked of him as if he was their go to cop but don't quote me...

And yes the interview was an "us cops" thing and CLEARLY things were discussed off camera, etc.

Funny when one thinks of how easy Lori and Alex etc. got away with things and where cops almost treated Lori like sorry we have to question you at all, or Alex, etc...

When they all knew the same people, how fun was that in this interview...

Yeah they did one and yeah he agreed to DNA and I doubt was worried about fingerprints honestly, why would he be? They were just doing a thing to make it look like they did a thing.
 
Tresir said:
This is a short article about Manson, his coercion tactics and "Groupthink". His followers killed 6 people. Lori and Chad killed 4 and attempted to kill a 5th. Also, a 6th, Alex, is a bit of a mystery.


"Manson once said, "You can convince anybody of anything if you just push it at them all the time…especially if they have no other information to draw their opinions from."


www.thecrimesheet.com

Charles Manson's 'Coercion Cocktail' Recipe

While Manson's murder victims are the most known in the media, other victims of his include those in his cult, "The Family."
www.thecrimesheet.com www.thecrimesheet.com

"Many of "The Family" members recall that Manson began his godliness preaching and prophecy during their time on Spahn Ranch. He looked like Jesus, and all he had to do was act like it.




"One of the cult followers nicknamed Gypsy said in an interview following Manson's sentencing that he'd often make quick side comments about dying on the cross.




"Gypsy also reported, "He'd say things like, 'I died once already, I'm not getting killed this time' and it was often enough to make you believe it."




"He also alluded to the mere power of his last name -- believing that Manson meant that he was the 'Son of Man' and therefore, the son of God.




"The final ingredient in Manson's coercion cocktail was heavy and consistent hallucinogenic drug use.​




"There seemed to be an endless amount of marijuana, LSD, mushrooms, and other psychedelics on the ranch. After the members were arrested, it was reported that they were taking acid trips multiple times a day, every day, for nearly six months.




"During those acid trips, Manson was in charge of dosing the drugs. He was a master at this and knew just the right amount to give so that everyone had other-worldly experiences, but were still cognizant enough to be impressionable.




"It was during those trips that his followers believed to see miracles, like Manson bringing a bird back to life. Manson also professed to having visions while on hallucinogenics that included a deadly race war which he called "Helter Skelter" inspired by the Beatle's popular record.

"Dianne "Snake" Lake who was 16 at the time of the murders, was diagnosed with schizophrenia shortly after being arrested. She was sent to a mental rehabilitation facility originally for 90 days, but was admitted for 9 months. Dianne told doctors that Manson infested her brain.








"Charles Manson's "Family" is quite possibly the most extreme example of the psychological concept of groupthink. Psychology Today defines this as is a phenomenon that occurs when the desire for harmony or conformity in the group results in a dysfunctional decision-making outcome.




I believe the saddest part about this story is that after FBI Profiler John Douglas met with Manson, Douglas concluded that Manson never even believed the delusions he was spouting to his followers.




Everything he said was calculated, falsified, and all meant to brainwash other people into being murder machines.




This makes him the epitome of a monster. "
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Kind of what I mentioned earlier, there were a LOT of more serious drugs in the Manson thing to lead people to believing and killing etc., than just pot.

The line that Douglas concluded Manson never believed the delusions he was spouting to others (just playing them) is exactly how I think of Chad and Lori. Chad FOR SURE and Lori MOST LIKELY.
 
WELL worth a watch. In the middle, some is a bit of what we all I think are up on and know but all else before AND after well worth it. Including what Mel P said when interviewed about Brandon's shooting, etc. and a LOT MORE. Who doesn't remember what they did yesterday?? So obvious and more than just that of note or to refresh. Man I forgot just how obvious she was with it...

 
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