JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell GUILTY

Summer_Breeze · May 27, 2023

Lori Vallow Daybell requests a new trial

Lori Vallow Daybell requests a new trial, citing confusing jury instruction and outside evidence that came to light during post-trial interview

www.kivitv.com

By: Cory Kwan
Posted at 5:38 PM, May 26, 2023
and last updated 7:38 PM, May 26, 2023
BOISE, ID — Lori Vallow Daybell has requested a new trial.

In the motion, attorneys argued the jury instructions were confusing.

John Thomas, Vallow Daybell’s attorney also said that they believe that the jury was influenced by “outside sources,” and at least one of the jurors had information that was not entered into evidence. Attorneys say that information came to light during a post-trial interview with East Idaho News.

GrandmaBear · May 27, 2023

Summer_Breeze said:
Lori Vallow Daybell requests a new trial

Lori Vallow Daybell requests a new trial, citing confusing jury instruction and outside evidence that came to light during post-trial interview

www.kivitv.com

By: Cory Kwan
Posted at 5:38 PM, May 26, 2023
and last updated 7:38 PM, May 26, 2023
BOISE, ID — Lori Vallow Daybell has requested a new trial.

In the motion, attorneys argued the jury instructions were confusing.

John Thomas, Vallow Daybell’s attorney also said that they believe that the jury was influenced by “outside sources,” and at least one of the jurors had information that was not entered into evidence. Attorneys say that information came to light during a post-trial interview with East Idaho News.

I shouldn't laugh, I really should NOT laugh at this but it just seems so Lori. Can't do much so have to get something out there right away to control what she can't as she becomes non news for a bit and was convicted and helpless to change that.

On the more serious side of it, although I doubt it's much, if it has to do with East Idaho News, and the jury, it must be a juror Nate had on and something they said. So now the speculation will start. I'm going to guess this is all a big "nothing" or something that was out there before trial or after anyhow but who knows. Trying to remember did Nate have the alternate or was it the guy juror? I've have to refresh on that. I didn't pick up on anything offhand. I picked up on one thing with the alternate that I wondered about but it doesn't fit what they are saying here and wasn't anything significant.

All in all for a quick first attempt, I don't think it sounds like much, one would think they'd go after the bigger stuff but they are I guess working on that yet...

Kimster · May 27, 2023

GrandmaBear said:
fI shouldn't laugh, I really should NOT laugh at this but it just seems so Lori. Can't do much so have to get something out there right away to control what she can't as she becomes non news for a bit and was convicted and helpless to change that.

On the more serious side of it, although I doubt it's much, if it has to do with East Idaho News, and the jury, it must be a juror Nate had on and something they said. So now the speculation will start. I'm going to guess this is all a big "nothing" or something that was out there before trial or after anyhow but who knows. Trying to remember did Nate have the alternate or was it the guy juror? I've have to refresh on that. I didn't pick up on anything offhand. I picked up on one thing with the alternate that I wondered about but it doesn't fit what they are saying here and wasn't anything significant.

All in all for a quick first attempt, I don't think it sounds like much, one would think they'd go after the bigger stuff but they are I guess working on that yet...

He interviewed the male juror who seemed above reproach.

If the defense doesn't think she got a fair trial the first time, what do they think she can get the second? Now everyone in Boise knows all the evidence!

GrandmaBear · May 27, 2023

Kimster said:
He interviewed the male juror who seemed above reproach.

If the defense doesn't think she got a fair trial the first time, what do they think she can get the second? Now everyone in Boise knows all the evidence!

Yeah I thought he had the male juror who I don't recall a SINGLE misstep with, the juror was thoughtful, beyond fair, etc. I do know sometimes news people have longer interviews and they at first only show part of them, Nate has done it before too I think with Mel G, etc. So maybe there is more of the male juror for an interview than I saw but even if there was, as you said, he seemed beyond reproach and there was not one thing that I felt could be questioned so I would doubt in a longer one or any parts unseen, he would have been any different.

I honestly feel the defense and Lori just rushed off some appeal right off the bat. She likely doesn't like thinking of her new upcoming home. This one sounds a big bit of nothing but probably hoping to throw some kink in for a bit.

They MAY have some further consideration on things like all the Charles info allowed into trial, etc... But I would think that kind of appeal is going to take a bit longer to both put together and for an appeals court to consider and in the meantime she would be shipped off to prison.

I don't know, these are just naive and uninformed guesses on my part... I wouldn't have expected the first appeal to be something like this or this lacking in a chance imo... BUT it is a way to quickly put one out there and Lori and her attys to save some face I guess...

Cousin Dupree · May 27, 2023

GrandmaBear said:
Yeah I thought he had the male juror who I don't recall a SINGLE misstep with, the juror was thoughtful, beyond fair, etc. I do know sometimes news people have longer interviews and they at first only show part of them, Nate has done it before too I think with Mel G, etc. So maybe there is more of the male juror for an interview than I saw but even if there was, as you said, he seemed beyond reproach and there was not one thing that I felt could be questioned so I would doubt in a longer one or any parts unseen, he would have been any different.

I honestly feel the defense and Lori just rushed off some appeal right off the bat. She likely doesn't like thinking of her new upcoming home. This one sounds a big bit of nothing but probably hoping to throw some kink in for a bit.

They MAY have some further consideration on things like all the Charles info allowed into trial, etc... But I would think that kind of appeal is going to take a bit longer to both put together and for an appeals court to consider and in the meantime she would be shipped off to prison.

I don't know, these are just naive and uninformed guesses on my part... I wouldn't have expected the first appeal to be something like this or this lacking in a chance imo... BUT it is a way to quickly put one out there and Lori and her attys to save some face I guess...

Every convicted person (Other than those who honestly confess) will appeal the verdict. It's just going to happen.

GrandmaBear · May 27, 2023

Cousin Dupree said:
Every convicted person (Other than those who honestly confess) will appeal the verdict. It's just going to happen.

No doubt. It used to be though one needed sound basis for it or no one did it without some sound basis. Nowadays it is like they throw all at the wall and hope something sticks. Ties up our process, is horrible for victim's families and in my opinion makes a mockery of our sytstem.

Cousin Dupree · May 27, 2023

GrandmaBear said:
No doubt. It used to be though one needed sound basis for it or no one did it without some sound basis. Nowadays it is like they throw all at the wall and hope something sticks. Ties up our process, is horrible for victim's families and in my opinion makes a mockery of our sytstem.

It has to be done to ensure correct verdicts are made, even if it's a fools errand. A lot of people have been convicted who are innocent. To try and take that away from the innocent would be just wrong. It sucks, but it has to be.

GrandmaBear · May 27, 2023

Cousin Dupree said:
It has to be done to ensure correct verdicts are made, even if it's a fools errand. A lot of people have been convicted who are innocent. To try and take that away from the innocent would be just wrong. It sucks, but it has to be.

I don't disagree if something is truly wrong or one was railroaded or evidence manufactured, etc. I also could argue what a LOT innocently convicted is for a total number (you think it is a high percentage? I don't) especially these days. I'd be more worried about the ones without attention, there is too much attention on cases like this one even despite Boyce's sealing and keeping out cameras.

I disagree on filing all and seeing what sticks. it is just billable hours and a waste of our already bogged down legal system's time and resources and that of prosecutors to respond to it all.

And a juror CAN serve and yet know some things.

Cousin Dupree · May 27, 2023

GrandmaBear said:
I don't disagree if something is truly wrong or one was railroaded or evidence manufactured, etc. I also could argue what a LOT innocently convicted is for a total number (you think it is a high percentage? I don't) especially these days. I'd be more worried about the ones without attention, there is too much attention on cases like this one even despite Boyce's sealing and keeping out cameras.

I disagree on filing all and seeing what sticks. it is just billable hours and a waste of our already bogged down legal system's time and resources and that of prosecutors to respond to it all.

And a juror CAN serve and yet know some things.

IMO, one person being wrongly convicted is too much.

"It is better 100 guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer". - Benjamin Franklin

GrandmaBear · May 27, 2023

Cousin Dupree said:
IMO, one person being wrongly convicted is too much.

"It is better 100 guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer". - Benjamin Franklin

One person guilty is too much and I'd never be okay with that being a loved one of mine or me. BUT it doesn't mean all is in doubt or all ******** needs to be entertained when no evidence of any such thing exists in appeals, etc.

For every one there are 99 others guilty claiming otherwise where the entire process was executed with evidence and a fair jury.

Tresir · May 27, 2023

It's not an appeal she wants, it's a motion for a new trial !!!!!! She clearly enjoyed the first one so much that she wants another one. The motion is interesting to read as it explains that the juror was number 8 ( interviewed by Nate) and one of the things the juror mentions is regarding Az LE and Charles. Take a look. The link to the motion is in the extract below the article.

Lori Vallow Daybell requests new trial

In their motion requesting a new trial, Lori Vallow Daybell's attorneys say they believe the jury was influenced by 'outside sources.'

www.courttv.com

From the link-

"In a motion filed on May 25 in Ada County, Lori’s attorneys argued that she should be granted a new trial for three reasons:

The Court misdirected the jury during instructions regarding the charge of conspiracy.
The indictment was amended two years after it was filed by the grand jury and during the course of the trial.
A juror revealed that instructions were confusing and that he knew about evidence that was not submitted to the jury.

Lori’s attorneys argued that under the indictment, the conspiracy charges against Lori included “Chad Guy Daybell, Lori Norene Vallow, and Alex Cox (deceased) and other co-conspirators, both known and unknown,” language which implies a group of at least five people.

“The trial court, however, at the government’s request, allowed the trial jury to consider a conspiracy of only two people: Lori and Chad, Lori and Alex, or Chad and Alex. This change of the definition of conspiracy from the grand jury to the trial jury completely changed the complexity of this case by allowing the insertion of the “and/or” language.

Before closing arguments were delivered in the case, prosecutors asked to amend the indictment for what it described as a “clerical error.” Lori’s attorneys now maintain the change was far more significant and “changed the statute in the definition of grand theft.” Lori’s attorneys claim they tried to amend the indictment before the trial started, but were unsuccessful."

GrandmaBear · May 28, 2023

Tresir said:
It's not an appeal she wants, it's a motion for a new trial !!!!!! She clearly enjoyed the first one so much that she wants another one. The motion is interesting to read as it explains that the juror was number 8 ( interviewed by Nate) and one of the things the juror mentions is regarding Az LE and Charles. Take a look. The link to the motion is in the extract below the article.

Lori Vallow Daybell requests new trial

In their motion requesting a new trial, Lori Vallow Daybell's attorneys say they believe the jury was influenced by 'outside sources.'

www.courttv.com

From the link-

"In a motion filed on May 25 in Ada County, Lori’s attorneys argued that she should be granted a new trial for three reasons:

The Court misdirected the jury during instructions regarding the charge of conspiracy.

The indictment was amended two years after it was filed by the grand jury and during the course of the trial.

A juror revealed that instructions were confusing and that he knew about evidence that was not submitted to the jury.

Lori’s attorneys argued that under the indictment, the conspiracy charges against Lori included “Chad Guy Daybell, Lori Norene Vallow, and Alex Cox (deceased) and other co-conspirators, both known and unknown,” language which implies a group of at least five people.

Before closing arguments were delivered in the case, prosecutors asked to amend the indictment for what it described as a “clerical error.” Lori’s attorneys now maintain the change was far more significant and “changed the statute in the definition of grand theft.” Lori’s attorneys claim they tried to amend the indictment before the trial started, but were unsuccessful."

On its face it is semantics and ridiculous, however, it IS court and so all things need to be taken seriously and always will be overboard looked at and considered for a defendant.

If a juror knew about other evidence, it matters naught IF he disclosed he had seen or heard some things before being selected. They don't have to not have heard anything, they just need to be able to set it aside and decide without it and with an open mind hear the actual evidence that matters.

I can tell you right now that IF this turns into anything, I know what my opinion will be both of the why and of the prosecution and of Boyce and why it occurred. I'll reserve on stating that opinion for now.

The stuff about other co conspirators etc. and it having to be only two or could be only two I don't see as that significant. Could be two, three or more but then I'm no expert.

This truly may be a whole lot of hot air BUT then again the way things are going these days it may gain more steam from that hot air than deserved.

It is an appeal generally, one can appeal to the trial court before appealing to the appeals court if that's what they have done here.

I imagine Larry and Kay are not happy and this is how it is going to be with more to follow I'm sure.

Lori is probably loving that she involves Nate Eaton with this, the one who found her and made her face the cameras in Hawaii.

GrandmaBear · May 28, 2023

Tresir said:
It's not an appeal she wants, it's a motion for a new trial !!!!!! She clearly enjoyed the first one so much that she wants another one. The motion is interesting to read as it explains that the juror was number 8 ( interviewed by Nate) and one of the things the juror mentions is regarding Az LE and Charles. Take a look. The link to the motion is in the extract below the article.

Lori Vallow Daybell requests new trial

In their motion requesting a new trial, Lori Vallow Daybell's attorneys say they believe the jury was influenced by 'outside sources.'

www.courttv.com

From the link-

"In a motion filed on May 25 in Ada County, Lori’s attorneys argued that she should be granted a new trial for three reasons:

The Court misdirected the jury during instructions regarding the charge of conspiracy.

The indictment was amended two years after it was filed by the grand jury and during the course of the trial.

A juror revealed that instructions were confusing and that he knew about evidence that was not submitted to the jury.

Lori’s attorneys argued that under the indictment, the conspiracy charges against Lori included “Chad Guy Daybell, Lori Norene Vallow, and Alex Cox (deceased) and other co-conspirators, both known and unknown,” language which implies a group of at least five people.

Before closing arguments were delivered in the case, prosecutors asked to amend the indictment for what it described as a “clerical error.” Lori’s attorneys now maintain the change was far more significant and “changed the statute in the definition of grand theft.” Lori’s attorneys claim they tried to amend the indictment before the trial started, but were unsuccessful."

I got up way too early for a day off and wish to heck I could have slept, I wanted to badly. In a bit I will go in and read the entire thing, just not ready for it yet and barely functioning lol. When I see you on here in early morns for me when I am up (about my only few moments), I always think oh Tresir is up early too and on here but then I remember your time is not at all the same as the time here lol. What time is it there right now? I could google but haven't had coffee yet to function.

Kimster · May 28, 2023

GrandmaBear said:
On its face it is semantics and ridiculous, however, it IS court and so all things need to be taken seriously and always will be overboard looked at and considered for a defendant.

If a juror knew about other evidence, it matters naught IF he disclosed he had seen or heard some things before being selected. They don't have to not have heard anything, they just need to be able to set it aside and decide without it and with an open mind hear the actual evidence that matters.

I can tell you right now that IF this turns into anything, I know what my opinion will be both of the why and of the prosecution and of Boyce and why it occurred. I'll reserve on stating that opinion for now.

The stuff about other co conspirators etc. and it having to be only two or could be only two I don't see as that significant. Could be two, three or more but then I'm no expert.

This truly may be a whole lot of hot air BUT then again the way things are going these days it may gain more steam from that hot air than deserved.

It is an appeal generally, one can appeal to the trial court before appealing to the appeals court if that's what they have done here.

I imagine Larry and Kay are not happy and this is how it is going to be with more to follow I'm sure.

Lori is probably loving that she involves Nate Eaton with this, the one who found her and made her face the cameras in Hawaii.

I thought they were going to appeal on being able to bring up Charles during the trial.

GrandmaBear · May 28, 2023

Kimster said:
I thought they were going to appeal on being able to bring up Charles during the trial.

I think we will likely see that too but it appears first they are going to hit up the county court with this shi*t and then that decision etc. too will be in the record. if boyce thought this trial would end his problems, not so apparently.

i don't know if this has a leg to stand on but i do know that they should have had a more experienced judge on this case throughout. not saying they are in the right but am saying in such a case all hands on deck should have been the best they had or could get.

Guess Who · May 28, 2023

Cousin Dupree said:
Every convicted person (Other than those who honestly confess) will appeal the verdict. It's just going to happen.

Every. Single. Time (nearly enough)

GrandmaBear · May 28, 2023

So in having a rare two days off, and getting to actually watch a thing or two and try to catch up, it is dawning on me today that NO ONE out there is talking about this new trial motion by Lori and her attys. I have refreshed YT for two days all day (not for that reason) and no shows on it or speculation on it, etc. Granted this news per the post here was late Friday and it is a holiday weekend but still someone would normally jump on it to get views at least....

Don't get me wrong, I like that it didn't make the big splash yet I'm sure she hoped it would make.

But... Nothing by Nate even though it is his show allegedly the juror said something on...

Nothing by any news station or show with the juror wanting to address it...

Etc.

It did hit on a holiday weekend so no real surprise since no one can access court records or the court etc. to find out more but I still find it unusual that not a single YTer is questioning this or exploring it...

It just isn't big enough news or a big enough splash or enough known and can't be checked out right now I guess. I expect when the week starts on Tuesday after the holiday maybe we will see some more but for now there is little explaining it that I have come across.

Has any major news channel even covered this?

Cousin Dupree · May 28, 2023

Tresir said:
It's not an appeal she wants, it's a motion for a new trial !!!!!! She clearly enjoyed the first one so much that she wants another one. The motion is interesting to read as it explains that the juror was number 8 ( interviewed by Nate) and one of the things the juror mentions is regarding Az LE and Charles. Take a look. The link to the motion is in the extract below the article.

Lori Vallow Daybell requests new trial

In their motion requesting a new trial, Lori Vallow Daybell's attorneys say they believe the jury was influenced by 'outside sources.'

www.courttv.com

From the link-

"In a motion filed on May 25 in Ada County, Lori’s attorneys argued that she should be granted a new trial for three reasons:

The Court misdirected the jury during instructions regarding the charge of conspiracy.

The indictment was amended two years after it was filed by the grand jury and during the course of the trial.

A juror revealed that instructions were confusing and that he knew about evidence that was not submitted to the jury.

Lori’s attorneys argued that under the indictment, the conspiracy charges against Lori included “Chad Guy Daybell, Lori Norene Vallow, and Alex Cox (deceased) and other co-conspirators, both known and unknown,” language which implies a group of at least five people.

Before closing arguments were delivered in the case, prosecutors asked to amend the indictment for what it described as a “clerical error.” Lori’s attorneys now maintain the change was far more significant and “changed the statute in the definition of grand theft.” Lori’s attorneys claim they tried to amend the indictment before the trial started, but were unsuccessful."

Standard appeal in the United States.

GrandmaBear · May 31, 2023

Interesting to me that this was news here days ago but not a thing out there touched on it that I saw until yesterday and then they acted like it was breaking news. I guess with the holiday weekend, news lies down or something. Anyhow didn't get around to posting it yesterday and had to go back and find it. There is also another with Nate talking to the juror.

This one on Court TV the talking heads think this is nothing and doesnt stand a chance and I agree and think the same.

As to Nate with the juror (which I will go find next if I have enough time to do so yet), I don't know that it was necessary to talk to him again and more to be said, I'd just leave it alone as it is and was based on nothing, but anyhow, they addressed it too and I'll post it. No one that I saw even acknowledged it until yesterday.

GrandmaBear · May 31, 2023

JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell *GUILTY*

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