JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell *GUILTY*

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Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua “JJ” Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

Since that time, the story has gained international attention as it’s taken twists and turns involving a purported cult, dead spouses, delusions of divinity and preparing for the end of the world. Despite all the angles, and the ever-growing number of people related to the case, the facts remain essentially the same as when it was first announced.

The two children remain missing and the parents, Lori (Vallow) Daybell, and her new husband, Chad Daybell, refuse to disclose their whereabouts to police. Both have been named persons of interest in the disappearance of the children. Law enforcement is also investigating the deaths of the Daybells’ previous respective spouses, Charles Vallow and Tammy Daybell, though neither Chad nor Lori have been named suspects in those cases.

Written timeline of events
  • April 3, 2018 - Tylee Ryan's father, Joseph Ryan, dies. Death ruled heart attack.
  • December 2018 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow make first appearance on Preparing a People podcast.
  • February 2019 - Charles Vallow files for divorce from Lori, claiming she viewed herself as a god preparing for the second coming, and she would kill him if he got in her way.
  • February - April 2019 - Lori disappears for nearly two months, leaving her children with others.
  • June 2019 - Lori's niece demands a divorce from her husband, who says she shares similar beliefs to her aunt.
  • July 11, 2019 - Charles Vallow shot and killed by Lori's brother Alex Cox. Shooting initially ruled self-defense.
  • August 2019 - Lori moves to Rexburg, Idaho with kids
  • September 3, 2019 - Joshua "JJ" Vallow enrolled in school
  • September 23, 2019 - JJ last attended school
  • September 24, 2019 - Lori unenrolls JJ from school, saying she would be homeschooling him.
  • September 2019 - Tylee also seen in September, but it's unclear when and where (she had graduated early)
  • October 2, 2019 - Lori's niece's ex-husband was shot at, missing his head by inches. Shooter was driving a vehicle registered to Charles Vallow.
  • October 9, 2019 - Tammy Daybell, Chad's wife, called 911 and said a masked man shot at her with a paintball gun.
  • October 19, 2019 - Tammy Daybell dies, death is ruled natural
  • October 25, 2019 - Tylee, or someone using her phone, texts a friend
  • Late October / Early November 2019 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow get married
  • November 26, 2019 - Welfare check requested for JJ at the request of extended family - police are told he is in Arizona with family, but he is not
  • November 27, 2019 - Police return to serve a search warrant, finding the Daybell's gone
  • December 12, 2019 - Lori's brother, who had shot her ex-husband, dies mysteriously in Arizona
  • December 20, 2019 - Search for JJ and Tylee goes public
  • December 30, 2019 - LE says Lori knows where her children are but will not cooperate
  • January 25, 2020 - Chad & Lori are located in Hawaii, served with a notice that she must produce the children within 5 days
  • January 30, 2020 - Lori fails to produce JJ and Tylee

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This article explains it a little.

yeah I'm not sure if Nate already knew or kind of sensationalized it as his video started. I and many took it to mean ALL exhibits although to be fair he never said "all" but he also never said "some"...

I have no problem or issue with even though I believe in transparency, gruesome pics of victims NEVER being available to the public. They deserve better.
 
yeah I'm not sure if Nate already knew or kind of sensationalized it as his video started. I and many took it to mean ALL exhibits although to be fair he never said "all" but he also never said "some"...

I have no problem or issue with even though I believe in transparency, gruesome pics of victims NEVER being available to the public. They deserve better.
Why would they even want the autopsy photos of murdered children? The descriptions were horrific so this is the right thing to do. Reminds me a bit of the defence in Delphi and the leaking of the CS photos there, just for their own ghoulish sensationalist reasons.
 
Why would they even want the autopsy photos of murdered children? The descriptions were horrific so this is the right thing to do. Reminds me a bit of the defence in Delphi and the leaking of the CS photos there, just for their own ghoulish sensationalist reasons.
Yes it does. i agree on the autopsy photos OR death photos of both Tammy and the kids, anyone actually. HAD they even taking all exhibits which I thought at first, now THAT I would have a HUGE problem with and that's the way I took it at first and Nate did not clarify until much later in his video.

No one needs to see this photos I entirely agree and no family needs to have the chance of coming across such by irresponsible people or sites posting such either. And the victims deserve some privacy and not ghoulish people looking at and remembering them that way.

The only time I could ever see it would be if someone was trying to solve something or identify someone and even then, I'd say it isn't enough reason versus consideration of the victims and their families.

Zav Girl actually made money with such and has caught total HE77 for it. I believe it was with the photos of Gannon. She put them on her Patreon or whatever it is, paid membership part of her channel, so people had to pay to see them (become a member). She is someone I had watched once or twice on a few cases but quit even prior to the Gannon thing over something she did, can't recall what that blunder was but I didn't like it. She got such flack you don't see her any longer, It think she tried once and jumped back into hiding.

I see no reason for such nor would I ever have the desire to see something I am sure all jurors and attendees at the trials wish they could unsee.

We had such in ours and we had a choice, I stayed in the room because I couldn't take not hearing the entire trial but I kept my head down until my sister told me it was safe. The jury of course had to see them. She was the only one of all of us who saw them and did not want to but stayed with me who wanted (not wanted for that reason) to not miss any testimony or part of the trial. It's like here, Kay didn't attend but Larry did and if I recall, he ended up having to leave the room as well.

On ANOTHER note the video above I put up I have watched a lot of but not finished. I fixed m vac (boy is that a relief, been without a vac for months, swept and mopped my kitchen, did a lot and then was so tired I took an afternoon nap after a heckuva work week.

I do NOT recall ever seeing this video about Mel P and Brandon. It's interesting to say the least... It gives me even MORE opinion on the LDS that isn't good and usually when they are hiding someone it IS the MEN with the children if a wife is trying to take the kid or divorce but in this case that isn't exactly what was going on and they helped hide Brandon and the kids or it would seem it wasn't anyhow but may well have been the way Mel P played it...

I want to like this woman but I sit there and think how clueless and insular people in the LDS are and all she says just accents that for me. She talks of how in AZ there aren't family and such when so many move there and so the others become their "family" and I would guess this is because they are to associate within their faith, wards, and so on. We already know they think the 144K are only from their faith.

AnyHOW, it is INTERESTING. It popped up for me this a.m. and I thought it to be a new video and I feel it showed that but could be wrong, only when into it did I realize it is two years old.

She knew Lori but didn't, etc. More oddities there in that because Mel P talked to her so much about Lori and talked to Lori about her, they knew each other. Huh? She did meet Lori on occasion I think. Definitely knew Brandon though and her hub, Brandon and Charles were going to start some other business line or some such together, some new business... I watched a lot of it but just woke up to 20 something texts from my sister, mom and daughter the first two of whom are coming to spend the weekend with daughter and I tomorrow. I had my normal two days off, TH, Fri, took a vacay day, and then Sunday counts as a day off for next week to make a four day with taking just one vacay day. I then get to pay for it however by having only one day off later next week and not another two for two weeks.

While the next two are days off they wont' be recovery days, they will be doing, shopping, eating out and packing a lot in. We were going to do the flea market, my sister has never been there but looks like it is going to be rained out so are adjusting plans and time. My sister lives like halfway or so from my mom's and us, so mom traveled up to her home today and tomorrow morn they are coming here, doing an overnight and going home Sunday. I get NO time to see anyone so looking forward to it although my feet and body say can we just stay at home the next two days off lol.

There is NEVER going to be another case like this one OR a least I hope and pray there is NEVER another case like this one.

I still don't know what the petition is at the bottom of this YT videos but can only guess it is to charge Mel P. Maybe that's why it refloated or surfaced, maybe it's been added and renewed or some such, no idea how that kind of thing works with YT.

You know, not to go too much into religion because we are not to, but it is a huge part of this case, I believe in God and believe in much of the bible and so forth but once an adult, I took my brain, logic, common sense and adapted it to what I feel right. I was not raised in something so strict that he church interfered in your lives and we didn't attend religiously (no pun intended) either. I saw a lot of hypocrisy in church. The organist reading a magazine thinking no one knew up where the music would be on the organ or piano, her husband who was diddling to put it nicely his employees doing his books in the pews during the sermons. This is what I noticed as a CHILD.

Going to church though despite all such things like that and I saw it in others too, always gave me a PEACE and healing and still does and imo that is His presence. I don't attend though and don't feel I need to to be a good Christian. I do end up there for things like weddings and baptisms and so forth and I have the same experience and think I always will.

So I am just talking people and some hypocrisy in the people in one that did not take over one's whole lives or rule your entire life. I don't see that in the LDS. I see a cult. I see a money making controlling organization. In huge amounts. Who track their members much like Scientology.

I'd better stop but imo it relates here big time. I think it brings such things. One is revered if they have visions and author for instance...

I've watched a lot on it over the years and NOT just from this case.

I watch this woman on this video and just think hmmm, do you liive in the real world... Often intelligent but raised in something and once they get their legs and get out as Meeghan did, what a turnaround and then entirely the opposite... The cousin I'm asking of of Lori... MANY of them have left the religion, she is one. Colby is not part either any longer. Others, I forget all. I think kAdam and Rex stay and I think there's a reason...

Anyhow now I am wandering. I need a shower because from tomorrow morning until back to work I wont' have a moment I don't think. So of course also I took a vacay day to make a four day off and the night before though my schedule worked me til 9:30 rather than like a 5 p.m. and the morning back is 7:30, so both ends don't/didn't give me a few hours of night or morning. I should have asked for that too lol. Now my sleep is entirely messed up too. Slept from about 3 to i6 p..m., probably be up all night and tired tomorrow when we will probably be power shopping, lunching, etc. and it's supposed to be a rainy one. Looking forward though to seeing my mom and eldest sis.
 
Whoa talking about Gibb throwing them under the bus. Recording first starts at about 14 minutes in, Ian does some testimony first... Just shows not watching the trial which I didn't and couldn't has a person miss things that are actually new... Melanie cries out I believe "MOMMA" and then whines tearfully "I miss you" like some kind of baby. Then Lori says something like that's your DADDY, meaning Chad. Freaking weird. She's a married adult for God's sake with children of her own. Have we ever heard Ian's recordings?
 
Apparently Alex and Zulema were on the call talking about how Mel G was going to go to police about not having JJ and how David wasn't buying in, things were getting too hot for him/them to continue, then Chad and Lori come onto the call with all Mel P's crying mommy and daddy I miss you. Where would these four have all been together at that time... I thought Mel P was missing them when they fled to Hawaii but Alex and Z are on the call....
 
Okay now I realize I have heard parf or this at least before where Mel is now not whining and saying the day before was emotional for her missing her kids... I don't know that I have ever heard the first part, maybe I have, this case has had SO much.

When asked if Ian knew where they all were he said no....

Anyhow, I've never heard his testimony in this case and of the handful I wanted to, he was one. The kids, who I did listen to were others I made a point of (Chad's kids), and a few others I've made a point to.
 
Well now I know I have heard parts of this before but never all of it. Mel P needs to be charged. She is and was clearly part of this all and knew. Imo.
 
This is GOOD from people that attended, etc. It isn't Joel but his wife from STS, and Gigi and Lauren. I am not the biggest Lauren and Dr. John fan but don't "hate" them and do watch on occasion but love Gigi. This is just the three women and a very good watch. Lauren stayed for the verdict and canceled her ticket, reservation, etc. to Crime Con or gave them away and the other two had attended trial but left for Crime Con as Nate did. Perspectives on what happened at Crime Con when word came the verdict was in, etc. and perspective from BEING at court and about the case and all these four or five years of following this, etc. It is just a GOOD watch.

 
This article explains it a little.




Judge Steven Boyce recently issued an order to permanently seal 97 trial exhibits from the trial of Chad Daybell after the Court received multiple requests from media members and authors looking to publish information about the case in their business ventures.

Chad Daybell


FILE – Chad Daybell sits at the defense table after the jury’s verdict in his murder trial was read at the Ada County Courthouse in Boise, Idaho, on Thursday, May 30, 2024. Daybell has been sentenced to death for murder of wife and girlfriend’s 2 youngest children on Saturday, June 1. (AP Photo/Kyle Green, Pool)

Some of these individuals, according to the June 17 order, were expressly requesting autopsy photos published to the jury in the case.
While the order acknowledges the public’s right to case information, Judge Boyce explained in writing that the Court must also balance this with the rights of the victims in this case.
“Notably, the Court was particularly moved by several victim impact statements at sentencing expressly criticizing individuals proclaiming to be “media” who, in the course of this case, have disrupted the lives of the families of these victims in the past and now continue their efforts to sensationalize and capitalize on this case,” wrote Judge Boyce in the order.
It’s explained in the order that upon “final disposition,” the 97 exhibits will be permanently sealed because they are classified as material “the publication of which would be highly objectionable of a reasonable person” under an Idaho Court Administrative Rule.
I’m in favor of the judges decision on this one. Maybe they can release it years down the road when the sensationalism will have subsided. But I don’t know why anyone needs to see them anyway. And I’m a big proponent of free press.
 
This went into conversations and thoughts never before talked of imo. Like what did Chad tell Prior and other things about like thinking someone possessed and how that dehumanizes them and more... Put a few women together yes you are going to get a more in depth discussion imo. Lol.
 
That's going to be my day, Eldest sister, my mom and my daughter and I. I guarantee the conversations will run the gamut and be far from dull...
 
Here is a tidbit out of a LOT. Most of us were unable to watch the trial but here's the difference in even if we had and being there. Gigi is talking about Chad's reaction and posture/body language with different witnesses. She says in her opinion he was intimidated by Heather Daybell. He was not by daughter Emma and exchanged glances. He hardly looked at Garth. When his mom on the stand he had good boy posture. With Hermasillo kept his head down some but then out of corner out of his eye would look at him hoping he would not be looking back as Gigi puts it. She says in her opinion being a patriarchal (lets call it controlling and domineering imo) man and family, he is intimidated by strong women which of course Heather is. Interesting takes and imo takes that only females would see or "get"... No offense to men but it is an instinct and come from being female...
 
Man, it only gets better. So interesting. Like Emma throwing her mom under the bus, her living in that house and more. Women talk DEEP and REAL stuff imo lol. Looking forward to the same today myself. Or silly stuff, who has more fun than a bunch of "girls". Way overdue for this.

Will be starting out with out for Chinese for lunch.
 
Another tidbit, Heather's been blowing the whistle on Chad since like the 90s they claim. She started dating the brother at 14 and came into the family then and watched Chad's "evolution"....
 
Okay, as I've said, Lauren is not my fave, not bad, but not a favorite, but she gains points with me now and again and she is in this one. She talks of Emma's remark of how they aren't "Colby" they were raised right and goes on to debunk that one as to how can Emma talk, etc...
 
Apparently Alex and Zulema were on the call talking about how Mel G was going to go to police about not having JJ and how David wasn't buying in, things were getting too hot for him/them to continue, then Chad and Lori come onto the call with all Mel P's crying mommy and daddy I miss you. Where would these four have all been together at that time... I thought Mel P was missing them when they fled to Hawaii but Alex and Z are on the call....
Was it when they went to Vegas at Thanksgiving and got married? Alex and Zulema married a day apart from Mel and Ian P IIRC.
 
Man, it only gets better. So interesting. Like Emma throwing her mom under the bus, her living in that house and more. Women talk DEEP and REAL stuff imo lol. Looking forward to the same today myself. Or silly stuff, who has more fun than a bunch of "girls". Way overdue for this.

Will be starting out with out for Chinese for lunch.
Have a great time this weekend. I know you have been looking forward to it.
 
Whoa talking about Gibb throwing them under the bus. Recording first starts at about 14 minutes in, Ian does some testimony first... Just shows not watching the trial which I didn't and couldn't has a person miss things that are actually new... Melanie cries out I believe "MOMMA" and then whines tearfully "I miss you" like some kind of baby. Then Lori says something like that's your DADDY, meaning Chad. Freaking weird. She's a married adult for God's sake with children of her own. Have we ever heard Ian's recordings?
I know that Ian recorded many phone calls and was a plant for LE, I believe. He was worried about his kids I believe. I still don't know if Mel P knew but am guessing she didn't. Have never heard any of the recordings, as I would think they would not be released by LE, but I am only guessing. I don't think they came out in court, did they?
 

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