It's in the Z testimony I originally posted that he was sick when he came back from Mexico on the Saturday, that Roundpeg just brought forward. It's where I got my dates from too.
I just don't believe Z would have killed him or that he killed himself. Her testimony plus his autopsy showing the blood clots in the lungs convinces me. He was sick for 5 days.
From the text of Z testimony.
11:07 a.m. The Saturday before Alex died, he said he was going to Mexico for the day. He left in the morning and was fine but came back sick that night. As Zulema speaks, many jurors are taking notes.
And you don't have to. And it's possible. It is your opinion but not mine. And you may be correct and I wrong, and others. Either way.
Lori and Chad seemed not to care or too interested in losing their hit man and again no one else we know of anyhow got sick around him. Covid is catching, blood clots aren't.
And Z would have probably been one with the most exposure. And around him for five days sick then, son as well, etc.
But that's okay. We just don't agree on this one. Anything is possible though.
So she did testify to it. Annie did say Alex told her and she may not have been lying of course that's if she told him the truth. Again I'd like to see the border crossing, etc. While he doesn't need a passport to enter Mexico (last I knew), he needs one to come back so there should be a stamp on the passport. At least last I knew it was that way. I went for a dozen years probably but haven't in a long time.
Again, I'd like to see the proof he went. So Alex told her. I guess he could have gotten it anywhere (if it was Covid) and instantly sick, not a couple days later but day of. Let's say it was Covid, he still went to Mexico for drugs then and what were the drugs, etc.
Hard to trust anything this group says but so let's say he did. So he ran for drugs just before he died.
He could be lying to Z but why. I mean he could have said he was going to ID or something or anywhere. Again the idea he never went came from Annie, not me.
Covid, drugs, suicide, murder, whatever, I'd like to see the facts on it. By the time his autopsy was done,
Wasn't Alex cremated? Also, I had thought it was a re-autopsy or a first one when one never done but maybe it just took that long. I went hunting for that info but never really found it. I did find this. This is exactly what Annie was talking about in that Z does/did lie. She talks like Chad did (when married to Lori yet claiming to hardly know her). Them her own daughter pretty much contradicted her. Just for ONE part of it imo showin lies and so on.
Authorities released new information Monday regarding the investigation into the death of Lori Vallow Daybell’s brother, Alex Cox.
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“She said the last time she tried texting Lori, the number was disconnected,” according to the report. “She had met Lori a few times before when Lori lived locally. She had not seen Lori since she moved a few months ago. She did not think Lori was married.”
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Meanwhile, Pastenes’ daughter arrived at the house and spoke with detectives about her mother and Lori. She described the two as good friends who attended the same congregation of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, according to police reports.
The daughter said both Pastenes and Lori were “preppers” preparing for the end of the world, and her mother met Cox, whom she described as “very religious,” through Lori. The two became engaged, and Pastenes planned to move to Idaho with Cox, Daybell and Pawlowski, according to the daughter. Plans changed when Cox moved in with them around Thanksgiving 2019.
Back at the hospital, a family member showed up and told Pastenes she should not speak to investigators without an attorney. They went to their home, and Pastenes received a phone call from someone.
“Moments later, Zulema told me she would not talk with me without a lawyer,” an officer wrote in a report.
Others, whose names were redacted from police reports, also would not speak with investigators as they had retained attorneys.
After Pastenes stopped talking, the Gilbert Police Department served a search warrant on the home.
Officers searched the house and several items of evidence were recovered, according to police reports. Details of what was taken were redacted from reports, but it appears one of the items was a cell phone, which had data extracted from it.
Included in the case report is an introduction to Cox’s involvement in several investigations before, during and after his death, but no further details were explained. It is known Cox shot and killed Lori Daybell’s fourth husband, Charles Vallow, in July 2019. Cox claimed self-defense. Police were still investigating Vallow’s death in Chandler, Arizona, when Cox died.
Idaho court documents show Cox’s phone placed him at the location where the remains of JJ and Tylee were found around the time they disappeared. No one has been charged in the kids’ deaths, but Chad and Lori Daybell are charged with felonies related to the concealment, alteration and destruction of their bodies.
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In a recorded conversation played during a court hearing last week, Special Prosecutor Rob Wood told Lori’s sister, Summer Shiflet, in October that he intends to file conspiracy to commit murder charges against the couple. Those charges had not been filed as of Monday.
The next court hearing for the Daybells will discuss moving the trial from Fremont County. A date for that hearing has not yet been scheduled.
Along with the release of the Cox police report, Gilbert Police shared videos, 911 calls and other reports tied to the Daybell investigation as previously reported on by EastIdahoNews.com.
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She said the last time she tried texting Lori, the number was disconnected,” according to the report. “She had met Lori a few times before when Lori lived locally. She had not seen Lori since she moved a few months ago. She did not think Lori was married.”
Meanwhile, Pastenes’ daughter arrived at the house and spoke with detectives about her mother and Lori. She described the two as good friends who attended the same congregation of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, according to police reports.
The daughter said both Pastenes and Lori were “preppers” preparing for the end of the world, and her mother met Cox, whom she described as “very religious,” through Lori. The two became engaged, and Pastenes planned to move to Idaho with Cox, Daybell and Pawlowski, according to the daughter. Plans changed when Cox moved in with them around Thanksgiving 2019.
Back at the hospital, a family member showed up and told Pastenes she should not speak to investigators without an attorney. They went to their home, and Pastenes received a phone call from someone.
“Moments later, Zulema told me she would not talk with me without a lawyer,” an officer wrote in a report.
Others, whose names were redacted from police reports, also would not speak with investigators as they had retained attorneys.
And more at link.
Anyhow... yes I'd say she lies or did, just like Chad, I don't know her well, don't have her number, etc.
About two hours sleep and can't look further but did do a fair search, I was trying t find autopsy result dates and so on.
I'm no into it mattering but they are all worried right off the bat LE may think responsible his death, etc and are looking into the whole "thing" and Alex's death.
Z lies no doubt, and has imo. She may have told the truth on the stand with respect t particular things, and never asked others. But also her knowledge of Mexico comes from Alex.
I don't know that much of it matters other than I was just saying how Annie takes it. Also interested had Smith, Wood, etc. been able to develop further into the trip. Why would they want to if just cheaper prescriptions. Not a WORD is said re Covid and his autopsy results were later than his death by far. Also, let's remember his being sick for five days comes from who? And of cours would not see a doctor much like claimed about Tammy. and years later her daughter, etc.
Again too much for me and just food for thought.
Never a Covid reference I've ever heard of re autopsy nor case and you know what Tammy could have well had it too, I mean look at his they thought she died at first, but nary a reference, I mean if all are deemed natural causes at those points.
On that note, I'd like to know if Z or son got sick and so on, or Tammy's kids and so on.
But again, could be that or anything. And I doubt we will ever know short of someone talking that knows.
There's a fair amount of hearsay in these trials, etc. And maybe the trip was corroborated by passport, was it?
I't's no sweat off my back what is true other than Z lied just as Chad did about how well she knew Lori and so forth. She helped nail both so I will give her that but I don't necessarily believe all she's every said and why should we. Or of any. Even Mr. "Innocent " Ian wen to record but ended up telling Mel P what he was doing in short order. David went with and was in Rexburg when JJ was killed, all so very coincidental and had a "dream". Niightmare. Whatever. What I'm doing is with little time trying to just give tons of coincidences. By far too many. Mel P was there and just yah never wondered why Tylee never came by. Uh huh. She's an aunt, never tried to see her or have lunch when she was at "BYU". Ms. Flippy Bouncy mini Lori? Way, way, way too much. Too many coincidences. They got the big dogs and I believe all got deals or something was struck.
How Alex died matters but doesn't. So does or doesn't what drugs he was getting... And so on the flip side Z and son and who knows let him suffer for five days...
Anyhow, two to two and a half hours sleep. I do it to myself but in large part do not have me in it right tnow. She lied about some things, at east early on... Even the ones played most innocent like the David and the Ian, huh, just dumb dufuses or what?
And as I said this one, even if not easy to recall all, I followed basically all of it from day one.
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