FL MADELINE SOTO: Missing from Orlando, FL - 26 Feb 2024 - Age 13 *Found Deceased*

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Madeline Soto missing: Florida mom begs for daughter's safe return home​

A mother in Orange County is begging for help locating her missing daughter.

Madeline ‘Maddie’ Soto was last seen on Monday, one day after she and her family celebrated her 13th birthday. Maddie’s mother, Jenn Soto, said surveillance video shows Maddie hanging out in a church parking lot on February 26 after being dropped off for school, but she never made it inside.

"I’m trying to hope for the best, but I’m scared for her," said Jenn Soto. "I want her to be okay; I want her to be safe… I don’t want her to come back harmed. I just want her back – whatever that means, I just want her back."

Jenn Soto said sheriff’s deputies are using K9s and a piece of Maddie’s clothing to try to track her scent near Town Loop Boulevard.

According to Jenn Soto, Maddie had never run away before. She said the teen had forgotten her cell phone at home that morning, but that was normal.

As of Wednesday morning, a variety of search teams are out searching for Maddie.


MEDIA - MADELINE SOTO: Missing from Orlando, FL - 26 Feb 2024 - Age 13
 
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I am hoping that is the only thing in the case here. She is definitely doing that at the very least.
I really hope so. I can see it happening, especially with her being "seen on surveillance" being spout out like a fact. She may have just convinced herself that he couldn't possibly be lying, because there supposedly was video proof she was alive after she left him.
Her contradictory statements warrant looking into, though. But I really hope she was just frazzled, confused, and worried about her daughter.
 
I really hope so. I can see it happening, especially with her being "seen on surveillance" being spout out like a fact. She may have just convinced herself that he couldn't possibly be lying, because there supposedly was video proof she was alive after she left him.
Her contradictory statements warrant looking into, though. But I really hope she was just frazzled, confused, and worried about her daughter.
and/or gaslit and believing it. Yes, it definitely needs looked into at the very least. I'm not sure what he has that has a hold on her, but that also seems to be a "very least" kind of thing, too.
 
REFUSED to GO to court and appear before a judge? Have said it in the last week, this new wave of not having to attend and being ALLOWED to not appear. One can see this sh*t these days like it is some planned agenda. It is new to us but then ten do it in two weeks and judges allow it. WHAT is going on? Every change to the detrimental side of justice just happens and we are unaware it is coming or is the new way of it. It was just NEW recently and already seems it is becoming the norm in like a week.

Next they won't be able to be tried at all as they don't have to go to court but can't be tried in absence and the hands of the justice side will be tied.

Maybe build a cell in the courtroom. Defendant can have a private cell in a place decent enough for judges and hte public and always be present whether he CHOOSES to be or not any time a hearing takes place. Give out billions to do it. A courtroom with a cell in it for each defendant.

This sh*t has gotten beyond ludicrous.

Is this sh*t defendant's rights again and such is in the constitution? Really. Wow.

Madeline Soto. Harmony Montgomery. Just two of many recently whose alleged perps do not have to appear in court by their choice. And they will be appealing conviction and yell that they weren't even present for their defense. I'd bet on it.
I'm trying to catch up. I've heard the basics about this awful case. And the POS, Pedophile, Murdering boyfriend. Yeah, What's with the refusal to go to court?! How is this ALLOWED?!!! OH YOU'RE GOING!!! THERE SHOULD BE CONSEQUENCES!!! You skip class, You get detention. You don't pay rent, You get evicted. Did he think he would be freed from jail by not going. I can remember some cases where the defendant was gagged, Shackled so they could not be aggressive, And made to wear a spit shield. More coddling now of the defendants?. It's getting ridiculous!!!
 
That's a very good question!
I think it is very odd honestly. And this is when they have video of her apparently already dead seated (sounds like) upright no...? Was he AWARE a cam would capture this because if he was his intent or plan would different imo if he knew or did not know. And wasn't that 8:30 ish or some such? I forget. The whole time line is odd even WITHOUT mom. If he did NOT know it would be caught on cam, did he forget something? Thought it would show he dropped her at school and returned and didnt' realize she'd be seen? Who the heck knows?

I could waste a day talking on this one.

So what is your take and opinion on this and on mom so far? We of course aren't always on the same page but adult and good natured about it but sometimes we are and I'd like to know? You make me think and I enjoy the back and forth a lot.
 
At this point, my impression of the mother is that she's easily convinced. (To me, she appeared convinced that it was a fact that her daughter was seen on video after having been dropped off.)
Apart from that, I remember her saying something along the line of not knowing how much she should say (publicly), which to me, sounds as though she was cautioned by someone- could have been LE- and I wonder what that's all about.
Lastly, I don't necessarily take it to the bank that all of the info in the police document is accurate, I mean, I have seen errors in police reports, usually due (I think) to misinterpretation of the info. (Btw, I don't think it's the mother but the media and LE whose referred to Sterns as the step-father, which I don't believe is accurate.)
Anyway, at this point, while the info that the mother saw her daughter getting ready for school is contrary to how LE reports events unfolded, I'm actually more bothered by the info that he returned to the apartment with the Madeline's body in the vehicle, I mean, I can't wrap my head around the reason why, but then again, as you've pointed out, the man's not the sharpest tool in the shed.
Long week. I need to read further first lol.

Maybe I even responded to this if I read further but I don't think so.

I think a bit the same about mom, I think a believer, a bit gullible, just guessing certainly NOT sure.

She said in her interview and this is fact that she said it that her sister told her Maddie was seen on church video. Now she may have gotten that from him, from someone else, or from the sister but she SAID this. Someone told the sister this at the church the way it sounded, assumption would be LE but maybe it was church employee. When I listened to her, the inference was she got it from her sister but in such situations all can be word of mouth through family and others. OR HIM.

One thing I will say is what a clusterf**k can go on in an emergency where there are a lot of people and family involved and all are stressed. Who knows. HE may have told her sister told him that for all we know. Sounds like her family was out in force trying to find her or help.

Yes she said something about she didn't know what she was allowed to share or not and news told her that was up to her basically. News isn't LE.

As to stepfather it does say in the police report she referred to him that way but good point, I've seen a lot of sloppiness in my life in police reports. Worked in a job I saw many. Something of this magnitude though I'd think you'd get right. He also referred to himself that way on Reddit, as her stepfather. Fact I am pretty sure. Posts are out there.

Lol he is not he sharpest tool in the shed for sure. That's been shown. And I don't know that I've ever seen anyone faker with crocodile tears and eyebrows than this guy and I've seen a LOT in following crime and for me that makes mom really gullible if she can't see though this if he behaved like this generally.

I don't know but I am going to disagree and do believe mom probably referred to him as her stepfather and that was put down int he actual police report or arrest warrant. It goes to follow as he referred to self that way as well... Could be wrong. Who knows though.

I agree with you his coming BACK to the complex, how does that fit?? WITH her body if cops have that entirely correct and can really tell... How IS it you can tell that? That in itself is a question... a big one... I can only suspect they also have video unshared like that he took her body from the apartment or some such...

He isn't a sharp tool but his back and forth probably had some purpose.... Did he hope to get her cell phone? Dump her in the complex somewhere? Was scrambling to come up with a plan? Or was he going back there to mom....??? They don't really say what he did once he went back there...

There is a TON missing that I think LE knows, a lot anyhow.

It is EASY to talk and say what we would do but if I were mom right now and just stupid but innocent, I'd be out there and coming out and coming DOWN ON HIM. Yes, it is POSSIBLE she was told to not share this or that or just say nothing and told by LE but he is already lawyered up. There is NOTHING more any play or game is going to get out of him and defending yourself is not going against the investigation if you are truly innocent and adored your daughter and had no clue. NOTHING WOULD STOP ME from making that clear and even blaming self for NOT seeing this arse for what he was.

And did they live together or not? Was he staying there or picked her up? That too is another BIG question to form thoughts.

She doesn't put my radar up as someone who would have been part of the murder of her daughter. So far. She does put my radar up of needing, wanting to believe, denial, and more. I think in their interviews she was telling the story he told her but her instincts were there and yet she hoped it was true and daughter was alive and so forth. I think she may be a totally need based type and need to believe and even wanted this man? (Yuck). It may be hearsay but listen to his various friends from back when AND now coming out onto Gray Hughes channels s they process this. One now I have heard on a second channel as he has had a day or two longer to think on it...

Don't get me wrong I have a question about at least one of them if not all. The recent one. He has kids, is married yet Stephan was over to his house almost every weekend where they game, smoke some pot, etc. What kind of marriage and parenthood is that? Not meaning to judge but you've got a wife and kids., boys, little ones but all your free time she's fine with you doing this with some buddy... My youngest daughter is Stephan's age and she's not like that. Her husband did games a bit and such but it certainly isn't their life now and it never was hers. His other friends too from high school and back in the day and after, gaming is part of it and so on so it's the generation to a point but the first one to speak grew up but they do have some tales to tell... Some broke away from him, for a reason. And some other things regarding dating a 14 year old and more (who they thought was 17). Does sound like he's always been a bit of a misfit... And the first one had a LOT to say about his mom...

It is a bit odd to me high school buddies (they are in their late 30s) are coming out but then maybe it is a generation of online stuff and HEY we knew someone they are all talking about, let's get some online fame... They are believable though...
 
I'm trying to catch up. I've heard the basics about this awful case. And the POS, Pedophile, Murdering boyfriend. Yeah, What's with the refusal to go to court?! How is this ALLOWED?!!! OH YOU'RE GOING!!! THERE SHOULD BE CONSEQUENCES!!! You skip class, You get detention. You don't pay rent, You get evicted. Did he think he would be freed from jail by not going. I can remember some cases where the defendant was gagged, Shackled so they could not be aggressive, And made to wear a spit shield. More coddling now of the defendants?. It's getting ridiculous!!!
No ****. But in some courts they still make CHILD witnesses appear in the big scary court.

Yes, catch up if you can. I am generally behind. HAPPY to see you! Defendants no longer need to appear, they rule. Crazy.

Every week or so it is something new with the system.

Some don't talk to me though. Take note. Lol. Says a lot.

First Adam M didnt' have to show up for Harmony's trial. EVER. There have been a few. And a new thing all seem to quickly be doing as if advised and KNOWN to be a new thing.
 
I think it is very odd honestly. And this is when they have video of her apparently already dead seated (sounds like) upright no...? Was he AWARE a cam would capture this because if he was his intent or plan would different imo if he knew or did not know. And wasn't that 8:30 ish or some such? I forget. The whole time line is odd even WITHOUT mom. If he did NOT know it would be caught on cam, did he forget something? Thought it would show he dropped her at school and returned and didnt' realize she'd be seen? Who the heck knows?

I could waste a day talking on this one.
Right?! And I have been thinking about why he returned home with the body and it occurred to me that he didn't have time to hide the body, that he wouldn't have had an alibi at that time.
You know, it's odd that he ditched the backpack and laptop when he did and right there in the complex dumpster as opposed to later and with the body and the only reason I can think of is that he rid of evidence when he saw an opportunity to do so.
 
Right?! And I have been thinking about why he returned home with the body and it occurred to me that he didn't have time to hide the body, that he wouldn't have had an alibi at that time.
You know, it's odd that he ditched the backpack and laptop when he did and right there in the complex dumpster as opposed to later and with the body and the only reason I can think of is that he rid of evidence when he saw an opportunity to do so.
When do you think she was killed? I am somewhat undecided because the time frame and events are not clear and I don't think we have all of it.

I do think he may be rid the backpack and laptop while Maddie was waking up or getting ready for school and mom sleeping or some such BUT wouldn't Maddie have a fit when she had to leave for school and have either and get in trouble at school for not having what she needed? Mom did make a point of that last conversation and how she got ready for school the next day and went to bed and I would take that to mean got her homework packed, backpack ready, etc., etc.

So if she is still alive at that point would she not be upset or have concerns when she couldn't find her backpack and laptop? I mean really where could they have gone? Especially IF she prepared them night before in the apartment... So if she was still alive I find this odd that she didn't even wake mom to ask, etc. if she moved her things... That lends for me to a thought she was leaving with him, going away.... I' not sold on it by a long shot don't get me wrong... And she knew it and knew such had to be disposed of... And was on board in only the way a groomed child could be....?

Now if he killed her after getting iher into the car, then my thoughts change some. Then somehow he got her to leave with no big concern by her about her laptop and backpack which I find unlikely...? Even without mom saiying she saw her getting dressed, this bothers me and did prior...

HERE is a thought. JUST popped into head. Did he tell her while she was getting ready he would take her things down to the car while he say grabbed the mail or dumped the garbage...??? So she thought her stuff was in the car.... Now THAT would make sense, never thought of it til this moment...

The coming back though, yeah. that is a head scratcher. he isn't as we both agree the brightest tool... That alone could explain it...

Still odd though...

CLEARLY he did not know about whatever cam showed him dumping her things in the garbage IF that is the truth and not a LE ploy that they have video.... That alone was dumb on his part even if he thought no cameras but then she left with him...? Or maybe he thought he'd say she must have run away after he dropped her off and LOOk she dumped her stuff...?

His dumping of her stuff if before he killed her shows a plan and premeditation. IF he killed her beforehand it shows coer up I guess...

WHY did he come back with her dead in the car?? I agree, it is a head scratcher as I've said and you have as well... Because this seems preplanned based on the diisposal of he things before they even left. OR he killed her before and it was a coverup but that's a bit hard to believe as he'd have to get her dead body into the car without being seen... These apartments do look like two level what I'd call "town homes" so maybe that wouldnt' have been as obvious as one thinks... Not like carrying her through hallways or into an elevator, etc. and into a parking lot...

This is a head scratcher no doubt. My thought my main one is kind of like you said he didn't know yet what he was going to do with her but mine is more that he wanted to do the show of taking her to school, killed here before or on way but showing he took her and left the complex and never had a clue of the came that caught him returning or that they could tell she was already dead by such and intended to figure it out then... He just wanted to alibi the main thing that morning... Do the townhomes have their own garages, I'd have to go look again.

He either wanted her seen and thought to be sleeping (unlikely) or he had no idea a cam would pick such up to where they could tell no? But still why go back except maybe to show a normal thing, I took her to school and returned...

I mean a person could get further out there on the thought--he returned as he realized he needed a shovel, needed her hone, to report to mom, to get some cash or a bank card...

What IS clear is LE knows a lot more imo than they've shared and I believe there's more and probably more video as well...

What IS also clear is he is not that bright...

The other thing is that even his dumping of her stuff in the apt complex was stupid as HE77. First place that would be searched or cam checked if there was one... Did he think it would help make it look as though she intended to run away or some dumb thing on that order....?

It just doesn't make sense and clearly imo it does to LE and they know more.

I meant this is the same dumb guy who factory reset his phone THAT DAY and thought nothing could be recovered. I am no tech at ALL but I KNOW THAT. For an immature child chasing gamer, he was no techie despite being a gamer. Factory reset that day (if that was when) seems to suggest this was a planned crime and cover up but not a lengthy planned one or you wouldn' be doing this last minute stuff... Something happened to spur it. Her standing up? Her telling? Pregnancy? Promises?

I can't shake that her turning 13 plays in...Maybe for HER or maybe to him...

Just talking it out sorry. But yes one of the biggest hard to understand things Is his heading back to the apt. complex...With her dead and seen in his car...I can't help but think they know this from more than one video or info or she had injury or blood on her or something because how can they state that with certainty...With cams you are lucky if you can see the vehicle clearly much less detail of the people inside it...
 
And did they live together or not? Was he staying there or picked her up? That too is another BIG question to form thoughts.
Well it doesn't sound like he was living there yet he had a bedroom and the report stated the apt as his address.
I think a bit the same about mom, I think a believer, a bit gullible, just guessing certainly NOT sure.
She doesn't put my radar up as someone who would have been part of the murder of her daughter. So far. She does put my radar up of needing, wanting to believe, denial, and more. I think in their interviews she was telling the story he told her but her instincts were there and yet she hoped it was true and daughter was alive and so forth.
I'm of those same impressions.
I'd be stunned if it comes to be that she had any knowledge of what he's done.
 
Well it doesn't sound like he was living there yet he had a bedroom and the report stated the apt as his address.

I'm of those same impressions.
I'd be stunned if it comes to be that she had any knowledge of what he's done.
Yeah the living arrangements or where he really lived is definitely something that needs to be explained. There could be many reasons for maintaining the address but to have a "room" is different. I feel like here is something here at minimum with that, with mom's claims that he was a bf, stepfather even, which would imply a relationship and living together...? Something tax or benefit wise? Or to qualify for the apartment? NO IDEA. YET he could be lying and it was an ongoing relationship. Friend said not but even Gray asked him could he be lying to you and saying something else to her... Something is up though with the mix up of whether he was there or picked her up, etc., etc., etc.

Some have described her, not all, most are down on her totally, as a deer in headlights. My GUT instinct without knowing more is he was blindsided. Maybe not, Could be entirely wrong but then with her missing, is story and police questioning and maybe his insistence with her or putting a story to her, she was trying to believe it and not see what her brain or subconscious was starting to make her wonder big time...

Alternatively, I wonder if her claiming he is stepdad and so on was a way of knowing she'd be judged if leaving her daughter with an adult male at home, etc. or an ex that isn't her father but that too could have come about when this happened.... And something he always said or pushed. I.e., for example, maybe she felt bad and wanted a father figure in M's lifea and he constantly said we have a bond and even if you and I can't be a couple I want to always be there for M.... Conjecture on my part of course...

I think she KNOWS but I don't think she KNEW if that makes any sense...

BUT I am not going to assume that either as there are things that bother me greatly with her and this as well. And a lot of questions. Her comforting him on camera. SHE is the mother whose daughter she delivered and raised is MISSING. The not taking her to school or attending the birthday party. A lot more.

I don't think she was any part of her murder and as you say, I will be stunned if that is the case. I think she was played pretty well though and should have seen or in hindsight will see that she was... Sadly.
 
OMG. I don't want to put total store in this but it hard to ignore... And I've watched them many a time and generally they don't say this much.... I am not finished yet but...
 
It is long but it is not dull... I am an hour in almost and didn't even realize it. Food for thought for sure. A lot of food for thought. I never even realized she never once said hei daughter's name in these interviews is just one point... Of MANY. To be FAIR they do mention fear or fear of someone in the room but there is a LOT MORE and I'm not even done yet, just halfway...
 
My God do they have some good points... They usually do but more obvious that we'd already have noticed ourselves... They have some I did not pick up or we do but can't put our finger on it or whether it is notable...

I don't watch them always but have plenty and what I like is it is FOUR with their individual opinions, four experts...
 
Chase is doing what I do where the meter goes past a certain point or percentage... That's kind of what I do in cases albeit not with body language, just with seeing enough, enough explanations needed, enough evidence, etc.

Watch it or not it is interesting..... They point out what we see but other reasons for it than we might know....

And I'm still not done with it...
 
Heading into the last half hour and this has been interesting throughout but now they have been on him, no just mom. First comment almost was said that every woman watching himw I think the first seven seconds said to self HE DID THIS. That's for sure.... It may be a two hour show and I am not done yet but been well worth it. They see in mom I think what we all do at minimum but won't share the take as it is worth watching... I'd love to discuss it after if anyone watched it... Still have a half hour to go...
 
they definitely said about him as we all have probably seen and they have seen a ton but never have I seen such an obvious faker liar as him in ALLl the cases I have watched and same said about him and they have watched prob more than any of us. That I'd agree with, no doubt and so obvious. Biggest fake I think I have ever seen but the take on her and him is worth watching and I am not going to share... well worth watching...
 

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