THIS is also a majority of the problem with innocent (and guilty, for that matter) people NEEDING to get an attorney
Illinois and Oregon recently banned lying to minors during police interrogations. Why is it still legal to lie to adults?
prismreports.org
Largely about lying to minors and vulnerable adults but yes it covers adults too in the article. I skimmed, didn't read all.
I go both ways on it like I do on many things. It is really hard in this world for good to win out over evil when you have to play by the rules and evil doesn't. That's just a fact. I don't care if you are in a bad relationship where one has morals and other does, one will fight fair and the other won't. Whether it is a custody battle with similar types, one who puts the kids first and one who is all about caring less but winning and hurting the other or a perp who the laws overly protect far beyond being able to get the truth if they won't tell the truth, you are limited in what you can do (LE) to get the facts.
On the other hand, I get how it can be abused and unfair. I would not want to be in the position of most suspects, etc. But in most cases, WHY WOULD I BE? I get there have been wrongful convictions and railroaded defendants and there are the corrupt in our system but I truly don't think most are or would take it that far and risk their own careers and life. And it would also take a CONSPIRACY of more than one officer, investigator, etc. being on the same page and keeping their mouths shut. Don't get me wrong, I think many a county in our country is full of corrupt power abusing people or have some for sure but how far they would take that is another thing all together.
I can tell you this. Have you ever dealt with a chronic liar who is up to things you can't nail down? If you have been you realize at a point that the ONLY way to deal with it eventually is you have to lie to the liar as if you KNOW what they have done and if they buy it, then they come if not clean, partially clean.
So there are really two sides to it. LE has to have SOME techniques against evil.
I agree it maybe should not be done with minors or vulnerable mentally disabled adults for sure.
Have you ever told your teen "I know where you were" so I'd suggest you come clean. Or someone told me where you were so you had better be explaining if you don't want to be grounded for life Forgive lack of quotation marks. I'm not sure if I ever did but I know I would to keep them safe and know they aren't up to something placing them in danger or possible trouble.
MOST people if lied to would say WHAT are you talking about, that's not true.
If I was told I was in such and such a spot and knew I was out of town that entire day, that isn't going to fly with me. Like if LE said so to me I mean. It is not going to all of a sudden convince me I was where they claim I was.
I don't know. I just don't think though that good can fight evil by not employing some tactics as evil has no rules as to what they will say, lie about, pull or do and you can't be some puritan, can't tell a fib to get at the truth type of investigator.
And one can, as you say, lawyer up as almost everyone knows they can.
You cannot fight bad by being a prissy, weak, soft on criminal type. Imo.
I'd also add that in most cases in most area I don't think this is done all that much. It wasn't in ours.
I think when they have TWO they are playing against the other it may be more common. You know you've got two perps and you have one in one room and the other in another and you go back and forth and then tell the one well your buddy caved, he said you pulled the trigger. He turned on you. Then if you did not, you are going to cave and blow up and say HE did it, I only drove and then spill the beans. I am not so sure I see anything wrong with that. If there are no beans to spill you'd say no way did he because we weren't there, NEITHER of us, there wouldn't be any beans to spill.
I don't know. I don't think most things have one pat answer and I agree but disagree that it should never be okay depending on...And if you didn't do anything and aren't guilty well in most cases I'd think you could clear yourself.
I know you aren't going to agree and others may not either. I just don't think it is that "black and white".
You can't fight terrorists with good either. Give them a Koran and not interrogate them. Again you can't fight evil with being just some good wimpy no "techniques" type of investigator. Or have none to use.
Soft on crime is what is going on and look at the results. How does anyone expect crime to be fought with no techniques?
For someone wrongfully accused I get it but for the most part we have perps that have all of the rights and LE and investigators have been cut off at the knees basically. I think there is a happy medium. Should they be able to lie always with anyone in questioning? Maybe not but IF say there is enough pointing at this person and with just nice questioning they have caught themselves in lies and inconsistencies then maybe they should then be able to.
I DON'T KNOW.
I just don't see it as an easy answer. And I don't think a hug and forgiveness is going to fight crime nor is being a pansy who thinks they should be let out WHEN clearly they have had how many violent offenses or murders. Look at how many we see murdered who NEVER could have been had someone that should have stayed in prison BE in prison. That blood is on the hands of the person, people, politician, state or system that LET THEM OUT.
Okay. Time for me to stop. I was due for one. I actually called in sick today. NEVER have NOT ONCE in a year. I am miserable and in pain and not in the best of moods and so guess I am starting to vent and it is only making me feel worse so anywho...
Just saying again that I don't think most answers are "one size fits all". But we don't have to worry as no rules or laws in force, changed or enacted will be right, make sense or be crafted by anyone less than an idiot anyhow. So why think you can influence it or support it or anything else and make a difference. It is all out of control and so is the power and the idiots who run it all. At any level.
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