Who is the LONG ISLAND SERIAL KILLER? *ARREST JULY 2023*

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Who is the Long Island serial killer? This is a general discussion thread about this terrifying case.


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Also today I have lost a number of things. My credit cards and DL. My nametag. A new bottle of Tums. Now an ONION of all things that I just had. I have found all but the last two but twasn't easy, I looked and looked... I SERIOUSLY need a week off and it will likely be at least another year before I see such in years now. NO IDEA what I would have done with the onion. I already checked the frig to see if I put back...

Okay, found the onion, right in front of my nose at the front of the frig where I looked ten times.

Now the TUMS I give up on. They went missing DAYS ago, I've even wondered about Frank... Because they are NOWHERE to be found. In fact I even checked the pay and stay list at work (when customers leave a bag or item behind they've paid for) and bought another bottle so I am not in need of them but there is a FULL NEW bottle here somewhere!

It's just the weirdest day of losing items and I'm with it and productive so not sure why... I frosted my brownies, made a burger for lunch, now am browning the rest of the burger which is why I was looking for the onion I JUST used on my burger, did dishes, and a ton more...

Anyhow, O/T.

I am still listening to Nancy on this case, and her guests, to get back on topic. I will blame her for all my lost items and distraction, that works for me. Lol.

There is quite a bit of detail in this show from his master plan and more... However, Nancy as per Nancy does not avoid sensationalizing and going a bit over the top on the torture, the hunt, what the women went through...
Funny you mention losing things because today I did a couple of strange things - this morning i left the cold tap running in the kitchen sink while i took a cuppa and went and sat down in the front room for a half hour. Then when i went back in the kitchen i noticed it. This evening i left the fridge door wide open for about half an hour and noticed it when i went back into the kitchen. I must be losing it or something. Too much on my mind I think. Another thing i did today was knock over a full mug of coffee that i had just made and it smashed to smithereens and went all over the floor. I had to mop three or four times to get it all up. I have been watching the Paralympics on TV and it is amazing. So i had made the coffee to then sit and watch that but then knocked the chair I had left the coffee on and it went flying.
 
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So LISK himself thinks he killed Gilbert? Wow that's some scoop. When did she go out with him and talk about this?
the "date" woman did, she is on the show. i've seen her before on some show but forget which. more detail here imo. yes "he" said he thinks Gilbert is one of the killer's victims when asking as don't we all who all was killed by the same killer, etc... I mean he could have been playing games to throw it off but very interesting...

and he was like totally different when talking about LISK versus other SKs they discussed. it is worth a watch just for that stuff...

I found the woman pretty believable. Who knows if he was telling the truth. How the heck did bolding get on here... Man it's been a day.

Anyhow, I'd give it a watch.

Nancy is at her top form of a bit over the top with the bad stuff, always sounding shocked but making it sensational of course at the same time... Guests were wood though. All pretty good.

yes, so he was talking of HIMSELF. Even thinking of how many, many cops did not even think the two different sets of victims and time frames were the same killers I still think about and we now know they've crossed that question... And such seems to be. Gilbert though, now that is INTERESTING... And IF true that would open up an entirely new can of worms...

I don't know if I caught the day or year but this woman had come forward earlier, I'm pretty sure it's one I have seen some time back on maybe Dr. John and Lauren's show? I can't recall on whose show... The fact he talked about SKs was not new, nor the fact she called a friend to meet her before she went out the door, I've heard all that before, I just am not sure I recall all this detail prior... Some, not all.
 
When did this woman go out on a date with him? It had to be after Gilbert went missing and she was discovered in 2011.
Somewhere called The Steam Room. It's a restaurant. It was in Suffolk if I recall, he tried to get her to go with him to home, Massapequa Park and she just knew not to, etc... She as never in his area. Her radar and instinct was up... She described him as very annoyed when the evening did not end as he wanted (paraphrasing) and she had someone who showed up... A lot of these parts I have heard prior... The Gilbert thing was new to me or I just never took in when hearing from her prior...
 
Remember, don't charge gas...
Yeah i wondered and then realised that the card would record the whereabouts of the transaction. This is interesting to me and indicates victims outside of NY. Of course he thought his burner phone would not link back to him or indicate his location, then uses the victims phones too? What a dipsh!t. He would have done better to google burner phone locations.

Did you find your cards and D/L? If not they are probably with your Tums. I hung up a pair of jeans on the back of the bathroom door the other day. Then later, when i went to take them down and carry them to put in the laundry, my cards fell out. I had forgotten they were in the pocket. I am always putting stuff in a pocket of something to save carrying a separate bag.
 
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Funny you mention losing things because today I did a couple of strange things - this morning i left the cold tap running in the kitchen sink while i took a cuppa and went and sat down in the front room for a half hour. Then when i went back in the kitchen i noticed it. This evening i left the fridge door wide open for about half an hour and noticed it when i went back into the kitchen. I must be losing it or something. Too much on my mind I think. Another thing i did today was knock over a full mug of coffee that i had just made and it smashed to smithereens and went all over the floor. I had to mop three or four times to get it all up. I have been watching the Paralympics on TV and it is amazing. So i had made the coffee to then sit and watch that but then knocked the chair I had left the coffee on and it went flying.
Do you ever just have days you figure the wrong planet is near or in orbit lol? With both of us having such an odd day perhaps that's what it was lol. The entire day was just odd, off, don't know how to explain it but yours sounds similar. I think too I am overworked maybe. It's pretty bad when you wake up before an alarm (this morning) dreaming of work. It wasn't a bad dream, I was told if Iot such and such done I could leave early if I wanted to. I said yes please. I honestly don't know how much longer I can do these hours and all over the place schedule. It would be different if after two years now I could take a week's vacation time or more days here and there. I was looking at it for next year thinking I would get more time but it doesn't look like it from how I am interpreting it. So there's another year with not much time off and the few I take are always being used for handing something and traveling usually like to handle the house.

I did find my cards and DL. I found everything but the Tums and they are the things that did not go missing yesterday but have been missing for days already. I bought another bottle so I am not without but can't find the one I did buy. They are on my receipt from last week so I KNOW I bought them and I am positive they were on my kitchen counter but nope.. The onion was on my frig shelf right in front of my nose. The cards were in a container on the kitchen table which is not where I normally put them but I was cleaning up the table somewhat so that's probably how that happened. I usually put certain things, important things always in the same place and they weren't. Things like DL, cards, keys, work name tag, etc. I too don't take a bag or purse to work so the cards are always in a shirt pocket. I had done laundry already and was pretty sure I had not washed them or left them in the shirt. Anyhow, all found but the Tums.

Oh yeah, I had a spill the other day too, not yesterday. I get that one. My mess was when baking cookies I cracked an egg I guess too much or hard and the entire egg fell apart all over the stove. I grabbed what I could and went to toss it into the garbage, the remainder, and missed and it broke on the floor. Shell everywhere, yolk and white everywhere on the stove. You'd never think one egg could make such a mess on floor and stove. I tell ya... I'm surprised I got the cookies baked or finished, seriously. I'm taking them to work today IF I remember. Moods around there have not been great imo and no one has brought anything baked in a long time. I never have to this department and figured it was time I did, and I actually felt like baking for once, although after the egg incident, I was not quite as thrilled about it lol.

Every once in awhile I leave the water running in the work bathroom, never at home. I think I sometimes think they are those automatic ones and forget. I usually notice after drying my hands and shut if off. As far as frig and freezer a month or so ago I left the freezer door not fully closed one night and everything was half thawed the next day. Sigh... It was because it was too full though and did not get shut tight I think rather than forgetting. I simply didn't realize and I tend to do a lot late at night in the dark, I don't like lights when trying to get sleepy.

Yah, you're not alone, believe me... Lol.

I suppose I better get on topic. This was a show worth a watch imo. Nancy was a bit her can be grating self at times but boy... I recall looking over this document but don't know if it was not all of it or I just did not let some things sink in or notice them as much as others. Then of course who knows with my memory these days I guess... I also did not recall parts of whatever presser she showed or at least it all refreshed me, who knows...

Many a thing on it show these women were kept and tortured. I'm sure there are details we haven't heard and I really don't care to. That woman is SO lucky he instincts told her. You know her vibes I think were bad enough about him and LISK was still out there, that I'm almost wondering why she did not call the police at that time. I guess she'd have nothing to really report but it's clear she felt he was a into the LISK thing in a personal way versus talking Dahmer and the Alaska killer... Another scary thought from that is CB did go to and hunt in Alaska... I think he very well would have looked for and likely found a victim there if not more than one...

They now have bridged the two time periods showing one killer in many of these cases, not two. Not all are solved of course but they do have two different times periods with him now. I really hope one of the next thing is to nail one in another state. The feds CAN bring the DP, NY cannot, doesn't have it. Would he give it up at that point? Somehow I don't think so... But who knows. Maybe for butter lol.

On a lighter note, I wonder how much Asa socks to his commissary fund. Someone should get those records. Not sure though if NY is as forthcoming with such things as FL. In Soto Grizzly just did a show where she got those records. His parents are putting in what is probably the max and he's buying 12 coffees every other day, candy bars, hot chips, hot and mild pickles, all sorts of candies and you name it daily. Talk about enablers. You know they weren't kind about him during their LE interview and really did not try to defend him but they sure then are taking care of him well in jail. I don't know if you've looked at that case but it has snagged me big time and bothers me to no end what happened to that girl and how NO ONE especially her mother, supposedly noticed a thing. I doubt that quite honestly but that's one of the questions in it.

Back to CB. Out of state he'd have it a bit harder where he can't take the victims home to his empty house for days... But the hunting part... The part he talks of that Alaska killer. Remember the one I think down by where his mom live (or was it in SC, I think it was VA where mom lived) where a woman was out for a run or walk and she spotted him like just still starting at her from behind a tree or a bush or something... And felt he was ready to pounce... It seems to fit his being enthralled with the hunting idea of SKs... And then there were a few who went missing by being pulled over or stopped being told they had something wrong with their car or some such that could be another modus operandi... Problem is the woman who saw such in a wooded area, that one would be hard to prove other than if she can ID him would be all... There was no attack so there also would be no evidence this much later either most likely...

With his reading of SKs and profilers and learning, and different ways he did this, I think we have one who was not bent on always the same way, same place, etc. He was trying to outsmart and confuse. Imo.

I think he had an insatiable appetite and not just for butter and I think even long after our time here they are going to find he was one of the most prolific of all time. Just my gut telling me that, has from the start and it only gets stronger.

He is though as you said in some post, I'm already lost today. And sigh have to go do the whole long work thing again and never catch up at home, things get done but also others just slide further.

As you said, to finish the thought a dipshit or nitwit or whatever it was. Criminals just are so dumb yet think or can be smart in some ways.... He's no exception. I always have said it isn't that they are smarter than LE or anyone else. They have the advantage of knowing what they are going to do, where they are going to do it, when, who, how, etc. LE has no idea they are planning any such thing and have to work cases after the fact. It's hardly the same. Most aren't bright or cunning or overly smart imo.

In fact had these cases been investigated as they should have been at the time they should have been I'm not so sure he would not have been caught far earlier on. That's on Burke and his cronies he employed and directed.

Well I have a 1 p.m. start today so at least I have some time. I close though because of it but I actually prefer it. This weeks hours include no 7 a.m.s, nothing earlier I don't think than 10s and so that's a bit more settled than the all over the place shifts all usually get. The down side is nights can be slower and I am always stupid and get home late, then stay up way too long unwinding but I do that no matter what my shifts... However getting home at past 9 or 10 I am easily way past midnight by the time I feel I have relaxed long enough lol.

There is not enough coffee in this world for the swinging hours... And how wiped I get.

I still don't know if a thing Nancy had yesterday was new. She made it all seem as if current, new news. And of course what that guest had to say was interesting but she's not new either. I thought the presser might be but a quick search didn't show me any recent presser...

In fact, I'd say we are due for some news or developments in LISK. It's been a bit. Summer is pretty much officially over now, past the Labor Day weekend. Sad as it is how things slow maybe more GJs, courts, etc. will finally do some more moving... It isn't always the assumption that the wheels of justice are slow, it is freaking vacations and other things by every member involved here and there that slow such as well... Not that a good job hasn't been done here, finally... BUT let's get on with MORE... And never, ever, ever provide BUTTER to this man! Lol.

Delphi is going to be fast coming up, finally... What do you think the D will do with these rulings finally all in....? Will they just take them and proceed and let the appeals go on later? Thing is, I think they are the right decisions...
 
I don't think i have posted this but I think it has some new info relating to how long he kept some victims at the house. Article is graphic so i have only pasted part below.



"Just from reading the [manifesto] document, this is the most sadistic thing around, keeping people alive to torture them. The torture these victims had to go through just compounds things for their families," Giacalone said.

Former FBI profiler Gregg McCrary told the outlet that it is common for serial killers to keep victims alive in order to torture them.

"The more interaction they can have is the payoff for them," McCrary said. "They want to keep them alive as long as they can, reasonably. Killing is what they have to do at the end to not be discovered."

Heuermann's attorney, Michael J. Brown, said he does not think the document is "that significant" at a press conference in July.
 
I don't think i have posted this but I think it has some new info relating to how long he kept some victims at the house. Article is graphic so i have only pasted part below.



"Just from reading the [manifesto] document, this is the most sadistic thing around, keeping people alive to torture them. The torture these victims had to go through just compounds things for their families," Giacalone said.

Former FBI profiler Gregg McCrary told the outlet that it is common for serial killers to keep victims alive in order to torture them.

"The more interaction they can have is the payoff for them," McCrary said. "They want to keep them alive as long as they can, reasonably. Killing is what they have to do at the end to not be discovered."

Heuermann's attorney, Michael J. Brown, said he does not think the document is "that significant" at a press conference in July.
I have thought before this manifesto was every found that he took them home and tortured them. It just seemed a no brainer. She was gone as they say (at least for some and part) and where else is he going to get the sadistic jollies SKs get from what they do, and get such safely and have time... The details on the manifesto are disturbing and disgusting but I don't think surprising. They are alluding to the victims found the quickest after their murders show signs of some of these evil deeds and torture methods. That's also awful to hear but again not surprising.

I've said all along, many of us have if I recall, that they can't know what day most of these victims died. All they know is WHEN approximately or definitely some of them went missing and that's the ONLY day they know if not for sure then to a fair certainty in some to many, but not even all with that date.

You know I think of this once in awhile that I don't think people were getting even on his arrest what was likely done to these women. And I'm sure there are further details we really don't want to know, and the poor families my God. But of COURSE they are types like this, many of them. They aren't just quickly killing for a quick thrill because they hate their mommy or have a problem with rejection by women or something, so they strangle them or pick one up and kill that one because some other one treated them wrong. They are sadists, torturers and worse. Most. And the entire thing is the fantasy and I don't think they fantasize for how long just to quickly kill and there it goes out the window...

Just my opinion of course but I don't find this unusual at all or unexpected.

The article is confusing in one spot as it almost sounded like Tierney said he was not prolific, etc. because they had just quoted Tierney but they meant CB's attorney said that as he was then quoted next again.

AS to Brown, his attorney, all his remarks, I mean what else is he going to say... Yeah he says their surveillance video all ya have is a man going to work, walking the dog, nothing major... Uh huh. I'm sure such is the case a lot of it. They have to turn it all over of course so he is saying what he can pick out which isn't much.

He clearly changed up his ways here and there and it seems as if he also meant to confuse and do so over time. But any SK is also going to have a one off or two or more because if something goes wrong, someone comes by, the victim actually fights hard enough that they lose total control, etc. it may end quicker than they wanted. Yes a neighbor and noise, that one is interesting too, did someone complain or were cops called...

The fact this manifesto (that is what they called it isn't it, do I have that right) dates back to at least 2002 is very big so even then the torture etc. was going on. I don't mean he may never have done something to anyone else somewhere else but I think overall he took them home... At least the LI ones...The few that did NOT go with him when he tried to get them to his home seem to also confirm that to us.... Like that date.

I watch all of Joseph Gialcalone's mentioned in this article but he isn't thrown up to me for some time now by YT. I am going to have to go look because either he has not been doing shows or YTs algorithm is making me miss his shows. I tend to just go with what they throw up to me which used to largely be those I subscribed to but that's not happening for some time now... I lost Scott Reisch the same way.

We don't need to know the graphic details LE does, what is said here is enough, but I will say and have always figured, these women went through total terror, unimaginable pain and torture, and more for days other than in the beginning he perhaps did too much too fast, the reason for these rules for himself... VERY EARLY ON, 22 years ago when first known to exist, this manifesto...And their families have to deal with that and think of such and probably find ways to block such when thoughts go there. If they attend trial, they will not be able to totally. Not that one ever can totally but one has to if you want to get through, at least try to divert the thoughts. Not the same but it is when something so horrible happened and you know what did and how awful, more than a person can bear, but you can't let it all in constantly or you will cease to function at all. It's different but I can still HAVE that happen and always will I know by now. At work, maybe not for days, but then out of the blue, and I have to use whatever I can to distract the thoughts immediately. And it doesn't always work. And they are not even to trial yet.

It's the same but of course the types of things are different. I'm just saying it's too much.

And these poor victims.

You know, I can't talk of this and not think of Abby and Libby. I truly think a lot that RA is or would have been an SK. This was a fantasy, it was planned, it was a hunt or he wanted to control as the hunter out of the gate. It did not go as planned imo. Or as he hoped overall.

I don't like to talk such details but one that is important I think to at least touch on and somewhat skirt is they are often unable to perform. This article and things they refer to talks of objects to assault or torture with and I will leave that there. I don't want to think of such any further either. While I don't want to know details, it would be interesting if any sex worker in CB's constant use of such (that were not killed) ever had an act completed BY him, meaning intercourse. I'd almost doubt it...

In the Soto case, where he had been molesting his gf's daughter for half of her young life at least, there was another former gf or someone he dated that's talked and he was never able to really perform except for ONE time. It's because she wasn't a child and he didn't have power and her vulnerable would be my guess. The one time well that he got truly uhm sitiff, was a specific instance and what he asked her to do, how to lay, etc.

I am trying to keep this not too detailed. They can't do such because it isn't what excites them. They cannot perform in any normal situation... Even normal as in intercourse (nicest word I can think of) with a sex worker...

It's beyond my words but they need the right type, they need control, power, to torture, to hurt, to abuse, etc. And the SK is even PAST that... BEYOND.

That's enough but hope I made the point. I remarked way back when of how he and Asa had one child, not that that means they did not have some loving normal constant sex between the two of them but in THIS case, I seriously doubt it. With "normal" people of course it would not mean that... I would never even suggest such.
 
Does he have an integral garage in that house where he drives in with the victims? We know he met some in motels but presumably he had to take them home to his basement at some point. Just wondering how he avoided being seen by neighbours with strange women at the house.
 
Does he have an integral garage in that house where he drives in with the victims? We know he met some in motels but presumably he had to take them home to his basement at some point. Just wondering how he avoided being seen by neighbours with strange women at the house.
I've asked thsi before in the thread or pondered it. If you Google "Heuerman house pictures" you will see there is a single car attached garage.

I figure or guess he had remote opener and drove them right into the garage, is most likely.

However, he does talk about things in his manifesto of keeping noise down and other things to not alert neighbors as IF maybe that had happened before...

I don't know of any he met in motels, do we? I mean there is a story of a motel from John Ray, the one from the taxi driver thinking it was Shannon.. And there is the one who is on video in a hotel but she leaves to meet him it seems.

Based on the "date" he had with the one we heard recently again, he tries to get them to ride with him to his home. We know he picked up Amber in the truck. The date he tried to get to go with him but didn't pan out. I think he almost always picks them up, arranged such, in most cases. While I have not cleared his wife in this, at least of knowledge, it would seem he MOSTLY does it when she and the kids are gone. He'd have no need to ever use a hotel.

My guess is he gets them both in and back out, dead, through a garage.

Asa didn't work and I even wonder if she drove quite honestly. The stepson probably didn't, not sure about the daughter. Just wondering how many vehicles they had or if just his. Anyhow if the garage was not full of junk like the home was, he was the one who probably always parked in it. No one can also be sure you are home then either by a vehicle in the driveway for instance... Anywhere with winter, like NY, you'd park inside if you have the option, and even for hail storm possibilities, etc. Imo. Even on a routine basis.

I'm imagining women seeing him in his suit, hearing he had a home in Long Island and then riding out and seeing that dilapidated old house...

One thing that throws me a bit is it is said he took the train into the city for work.... Yet he has the vehicle when he takes these women home and picks them up, at least we know that with Amber for instance... I can't recall all the phone stuff or if we even know of it all but always thought he was getting these women during or after a work day. Perhaps not. I don't know if we know...? Maybe when Asa and the kids were gone he played hooky at work and used his vehicle to meet up with these women or pick them up...?
 
I've asked thsi before in the thread or pondered it. If you Google "Heuerman house pictures" you will see there is a single car attached garage.

I figure or guess he had remote opener and drove them right into the garage, is most likely.

However, he does talk about things in his manifesto of keeping noise down and other things to not alert neighbors as IF maybe that had happened before...

I don't know of any he met in motels, do we? I mean there is a story of a motel from John Ray, the one from the taxi driver thinking it was Shannon.. And there is the one who is on video in a hotel but she leaves to meet him it seems.

Based on the "date" he had with the one we heard recently again, he tries to get them to ride with him to his home. We know he picked up Amber in the truck. The date he tried to get to go with him but didn't pan out. I think he almost always picks them up, arranged such, in most cases. While I have not cleared his wife in this, at least of knowledge, it would seem he MOSTLY does it when she and the kids are gone. He'd have no need to ever use a hotel.

My guess is he gets them both in and back out, dead, through a garage.

Asa didn't work and I even wonder if she drove quite honestly. The stepson probably didn't, not sure about the daughter. Just wondering how many vehicles they had or if just his. Anyhow if the garage was not full of junk like the home was, he was the one who probably always parked in it. No one can also be sure you are home then either by a vehicle in the driveway for instance... Anywhere with winter, like NY, you'd park inside if you have the option, and even for hail storm possibilities, etc. Imo. Even on a routine basis.

I'm imagining women seeing him in his suit, hearing he had a home in Long Island and then riding out and seeing that dilapidated old house...

One thing that throws me a bit is it is said he took the train into the city for work.... Yet he has the vehicle when he takes these women home and picks them up, at least we know that with Amber for instance... I can't recall all the phone stuff or if we even know of it all but always thought he was getting these women during or after a work day. Perhaps not. I don't know if we know...? Maybe when Asa and the kids were gone he played hooky at work and used his vehicle to meet up with these women or pick them up...?
There is a video of him meeting one victim in a hotel, she is seen in the lobby and he is shown entering thru the hotel doors. Cannot remember which victim though. Maybe Megan Waterman?

Then with Vergata, we know she turned up with the LE guy and his hooker.

We have the story Gilbert told the taxi driver about meeting in a motel too so that is three different modus operandi already. But if there is a garage then that is also a fourth option.

Thinking more about this, he likely used motels more when his wife was home, but that didn't stop him with Vergata, did it?
 
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There is a video of him meeting one victim in a hotel, she is seen in the lobby and he is shown entering thru the hotel doors. Cannot remember which victim though. Maybe Megan Waterman?

Then with Vergata, we know she turned up with the LE guy and his hooker.

We have the story Gilbert told the taxi driver about meeting in a motel too so that is three different modus operandi already. But if there is a garage then that is also a fourth option.

Thinking more about this, he likely used motels more when his wife was home, but that didn't stop him with Vergata, did it?
I know about Vergata. If the story is true. We don't have LE confirmation.

And I think it was Waterman but I don't recall him entering. I recall her leaving the hotel.

I also know and mentioned the story of the taxi driver and said John Ray shared it, and the taxi driver thinking it was Shannon.

So I agree on all those, except don't recall CB coming into Megan's hotel, I recall her leaving her hotel to meet someone but maybe in the lobby, I'd have to look back.

I meant overall the known victims and confirmed facts, I don't recall any as him taking them to a motel. I know of these other things and with Waterman I still think she left, or was on camera seen leaving whether with him or without him. I don't think they were ever in some hotel room together is my point.

I don't think hotels were his thing overall, he tried to get them into his vehicle and to his home and I think that was his MO overall. When the wife and kids were gone.

Vergata IS different. However, they have still not confirmed this (LE) in any manner, shape or form. And it's a no brainer to think they either can or can dispute by now unless they are ignoring it and covering for a cop and more corrupt is going on again. Why don't they come out and confirm or deny the possibility?? It's irritating. Imo. Frustrating is maybe the better word.

So anyhow, yes, I am saying the same pretty much, the motels or hotels I know of none with the victims he is charged with. There are accounts of him with girls in motels. And only Megan Waterman was known to be in one but she also left it and is on video doing so. If I recall.
 
There is a video of him meeting one victim in a hotel, she is seen in the lobby and he is shown entering thru the hotel doors. Cannot remember which victim though. Maybe Megan Waterman?

Then with Vergata, we know she turned up with the LE guy and his hooker.

We have the story Gilbert told the taxi driver about meeting in a motel too so that is three different modus operandi already. But if there is a garage then that is also a fourth option.

Thinking more about this, he likely used motels more when his wife was home, but that didn't stop him with Vergata, did it?
Vergata needs to be confirmed or not. Because it changes everything as to his wife and her knowledge and this claim she was always gone, on vacation with the kids, etc... And we know darned well this could be confirmed by now at least in part as to the officer, Vergata's jail time and where, her release and more... Or disputed. Why are they holding this back??

Because they don't want Ray to be right about anything? Or involved? I'm serious. The answers on this should be there by now.
 
I don't remember knowing that he had property in South Carolina! Did he go there often? Any unsolved cases there that he might have been involved in?
He and his brother both owned adjacent plots IIRC. So he has now sold his plot for a dollar.

I think there is at least one. I added it to the list I did upthread.

Aaliyah Bell, Rock Hill, SC Nov 2014

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