Who is the LONG ISLAND SERIAL KILLER? *ARREST JULY 2023*

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Who is the Long Island serial killer? This is a general discussion thread about this terrifying case.


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And if you are talking of mental state OR drugs, there is no proof of EITHER other than fear. And IF such could be proven, it then can't be said who gave them to her, what happened, etc. OR that no one was looking for her, chasing her or found her.
Info is that she had a mental health issue although, that info apparently wasn't provided to Baden- and she was known to use cocaine.
 
All I remember about that circumstance is that her personal items were found strewn about almost like bread crumbs leading toward where she was found.
Pretty amazing then they couldn't follow those bread crumbs LONG BEFORE she was found if such a trail.

Other than that, I really don't know the truth or lack of it of this statement. But even if so, does nothing to change my opinion. Something bad was going on that night. I mean just for starters all johns are gentlemen right just wanting a bl*w j*b and some sex worker to give them "normal" sex, yeah right, they pay the big bucks for that. Let's just START there. And they are polite gentlemen of course. They can get such on the street corner OR be in a lounge/bar in any hotel that has one in a city and they will get such an offer without having to do a thing. RIGHT from the get go, this request and the john are not trustworthy.

People need to quit knocking the women without really getting into the men who USE such and their real reasons and problems for doing so. Can't get a girlfriend? If you went to pick up a hooker, what you look and act like would have her decline? If someone saw you they'd run? You have a GROUP thing and bigger plan in mind? Can't pick up a one night stand at a bar? I mean really, what are the issues that lead to doing this? Or the plan? Or sick abusive or worse fantasy?

LET'S JUST START THERE. The man is suspect from the get go.

Sorry for the vulgarity but there isn't really any other way to say it and I stayed away from worse things and fetishes.

People live in their nice little boxed heads and apparently can't believe such things.

I am going to say women are picking one heck of a dangerous profession and that is if they PICKED it or had a choice but there would be NO SEX WORKERS if not for the demand of very SICK MEN (mostly men and we all now it).
 
As I understand it it, she wasn't reported missing and so I'm not sure whether it was determined precisely when she disappeared, just when she last spoke to a family member.
Well I will say this, this story can quickly have legs. First if she was in jail and just got out there WILL be a record of it. There was a NAMED LE partner and they KNOW who he is. There WAS a swinger's club/bar/whatever where hundreds went back in the day where CB or his wife posted an offer/note for things at their house. This is why or one of the many reasons he got on and did this imo. NOT EVERYONE from back then that ever went to this club is going to have any issue with saying hey yeah, I did that back in the day and I remember that.

THIS story has things that CAN be verified. It has the ring of truth. EVEN if it was NOT Vergata, it is HUGE if true.

Honestly this woman doesn't look the best doing this either just for how she looks BUT I tend to believe it and she was simply in this lifestyle and with a cop and she didn't pick her up, etc.

If we find it is all b.s. and she is some loon hen so be it. BUT there are things here that give it legs that can be proven UNLESS of course someone pays someone corrupt to get of records to cover their arse but it would take some doing to prove all partts false.

Just the RW alone. There have to be people that knew he and this one were in a relationship, etc. And soooooo much more that can be done here.
 
I have a feeling they already know a lot and he came on to just get that bit more of corroborating info and more on ALL of it, the things at CB's house, etc.
 
I was referring primarily to her sons.
They claimed they didn't know before it was announced who the body belonged to though no? Do I have that right? That was long before Harrison going on with John Ray and they may have been fully on board with that by now or do you know differently? Two very different things. Or do I have that wrong?
 
Info is that she had a mental health issue although, that info apparently wasn't provided to Baden- and she was known to use cocaine.
Sources and proof? And how was she doing that night prior to going and generally?

Also what is the john's mental health and drug use?

Tell me more about the sick john please? And explain the driver/pimp? All about Shannon.

Was she chronic with cocaine? Did she not function mentally in life? Where does it all come from? WHAT had she done that night and what was her state of mind that day?
 
Well, I THINK (lol!) they were in the marsh but where precisely, I don't know except that I know they were closer to her last known location than were her remains.
You said a bread crumb trail and now you don't know...

Funny they didn't find her so much sooner. Clothing alone...
 
You said a bread crumb trail and now you don't know...

Funny they didn't find her so much sooner. Clothing alone...
Location and how they presented are two different things...
Anyway, according to that report from Baden, she was fully clothed with the exception of shoes, which may very well have been found among her other personal items but I don't think her items and remains were in an area to be found except by happenstance.
I think it's an area searchers simply didn't believe she'd have entered into. Her loved ones were there to search and apparently, that idea hadn't occurred to them either.
 
I'm not sure whether Baden generated a formal report- it doesn't appear to me he was provided with all of the info I'd expect he should have to be able to do that, but below is what I found re that.
Very interesting. Thanks for finding that.

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".......autopsy findings are consistent with homicidal strangulation"

Also no sign of drugs or cocaine.
 
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All I remember about that circumstance is that her personal items were found strewn about almost like bread crumbs leading toward where she was found.

So that was wrong about her being naked, based on that private autopsy. I got the info from this 2011 BBC link.

It would be good to try and get the police autopsy and compare them.

Why would they say this? That the clothes and belongings were found the previous week whereas the private autopsy said the skeleton still had remnants of her clothing.

" Gilbert's suspected skeletal remains were found on Tuesday about half a mile (0.8km) from where she went missing on Long Island.
The 24-year-old's clothing and other personal items were found not far away last week by police.

Clothing found nearby​

Suffolk County Police Commissioner Richard Dormer told reporters that a coroner would have to confirm it was her.
But he added it was "certainly a sad day for the Gilbert family... and our condolences to that family on the death of their daughter".
Gilbert, from New Jersey, is thought to have died after fleeing a client's house early one morning in May 2010.
Commissioner Dormer said the location of the remains indicated she had been running through the wetlands in an attempt to get to a lighted area, but got caught in the muddy, brush-covered area.
Mari Gilbert, the dead woman's mother, said she did not believe yet that the remains were those of her daughter, nor was she convinced by the police theory that she had died accidentally.
"Until I hear positive confirmation that it's my daughter, I'm going to believe it's not, until I know for sure," she told reporters."

 
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Sources and proof? And how was she doing that night prior to going and generally?

Also what is the john's mental health and drug use?

Tell me more about the sick john please? And explain the driver/pimp? All about Shannon.

Was she chronic with cocaine? Did she not function mentally in life? Where does it all come from? WHAT had she done that night and what was her state of mind that day?
No cocaine or drugs of abuse were found in her body based on the private autopsy Regina posted. Her sister ended up with mental problems and perhaps that's why she freaked out and ran off but it does not explain how she died from apparent strangulation and not drowning as the police reported.
 
Very interesting. Thanks for finding that.

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".......autopsy findings are consistent with homicidal strangulation"

Also no sign of drugs or cocaine.
(You're welcome.)
I was curious as to what info you'd find remarkable...
What I find remarkable is 1) Shannon wasn't last seen running from Brewer's house as stated in Baden's report, she was "last seen" running from his neighbor's house. (Colletti). Her last known location at yet another neighbor's house, which may be- not sure- is nearest to where her personal items- including her phone, if I'm not mistaken- were found.
2) Surgery to her jaw- which had a metal plate- wasn't mentioned or reported by Baden as present or missing.
3) The report seems to imply that since no drugs were found, that none were ever there to have been found, which is simply not true.
4) Baden states that info is insufficient to determine cause of death, which means that his opinion is actually undetermined.
(Manner should be determined based on circumstances surrounding the death.)
 
Location and how they presented are two different things...
Anyway, according to that report from Baden, she was fully clothed with the exception of shoes, which may very well have been found among her other personal items but I don't think her items and remains were in an area to be found except by happenstance.
I think it's an area searchers simply didn't believe she'd have entered into. Her loved ones were there to search and apparently, that idea hadn't occurred to them either.
Let's be honest, she was never seriously searched for. And loved ones searching and where would depend on what if any info they had from LE. You do mean back when she disappeared right?

So now Baden said she was clothed? I honestly don't recall but guaranteed I read his/the family's results back when.

You cannot change the corrupt stuff that ;went on here. Her family FOUGHT for the 911 calls even did they not? To be released to them and/or all??

The guy in charge was just arrested again for his peter being out at MINIMUM at a park and that is putting it nicely and AT MINIMUM.

I am no conspiracy person, I don't buy into the O stuff in Delphi but;come on, there is AMPLE reason Gilbert's death and the investigation, lack of one or obstruction of one will NEVER be accepted.

And you don't like Harrison smh.

Please know I am not yelling at you, I am yelling at what went on that people can even BE okay with where her case is and never went.

The final remark though is yes, how can you feel that way and have not a thing to say about all in charge the previous decades? With respect.
 
Very interesting. Thanks for finding that.

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".......autopsy findings are consistent with homicidal strangulation"

Also no sign of drugs or cocaine.
You and I certainly don't always agree but I agree with you on this one. I don't think you'd argue we don't always agree lol.
 
So that was wrong about her being naked, based on that private autopsy. I got the info from this 2011 BBC link.

It would be good to try and get the police autopsy and compare them.

Why would they say this? That the clothes and belongings were found the previous week whereas the private autopsy said the skeleton still had remnants of her clothing.

" Gilbert's suspected skeletal remains were found on Tuesday about half a mile (0.8km) from where she went missing on Long Island.
The 24-year-old's clothing and other personal items were found not far away last week by police.

Clothing found nearby​

Suffolk County Police Commissioner Richard Dormer told reporters that a coroner would have to confirm it was her.
But he added it was "certainly a sad day for the Gilbert family... and our condolences to that family on the death of their daughter".
Gilbert, from New Jersey, is thought to have died after fleeing a client's house early one morning in May 2010.
Commissioner Dormer said the location of the remains indicated she had been running through the wetlands in an attempt to get to a lighted area, but got caught in the muddy, brush-covered area.
Mari Gilbert, the dead woman's mother, said she did not believe yet that the remains were those of her daughter, nor was she convinced by the police theory that she had died accidentally.
"Until I hear positive confirmation that it's my daughter, I'm going to believe it's not, until I know for sure," she told reporters."

INTERESTING. So animals near the time she was found went and took parts of her clothing and made a trail that had never been found before. Is that what LE said? As opposed to remnants which would lead me to believe she was never unclothed and over time her clothing just disintegrated or some parts did. As did she :( I would NEVER be okay with all this if I were Shannon's family and I am not okay with it as a member of the public who followed and follows it. AS many were not and are NOT.

Seems to me someone made sure from pressure that her body was found and did a trail? Is that one FACT? Wanting to lead to her most likely and NOT have all the other bodies found?

I mean this just gets worse... SOMEONE/S did NOT want anyone looked for out there would be my biggest takeaway and always has been...AND LO AND BEHOLD when they did, all these other bodies were found...

Someone tell me that doesnt stink and reek to high heaven and I haven't even touched on all of the things that make it so...
 
They claimed they didn't know before it was announced who the body belonged to though no? Do I have that right? That was long before Harrison going on with John Ray and they may have been fully on board with that by now or do you know differently? Two very different things. Or do I have that wrong?
Are we talking Karen? I think she was only identified last year.
 
INTERESTING. So animals near the time she was found went and took parts of her clothing and made a trail that had never been found before. Is that what LE said? As opposed to remnants which would lead me to believe she was never unclothed and over time her clothing just disintegrated or some parts did. As did she :( I would NEVER be okay with all this if I were Shannon's family and I am not okay with it as a member of the public who followed and follows it. AS many were not and are NOT.

Seems to me someone made sure from pressure that her body was found and did a trail? Is that one FACT? Wanting to lead to her most likely and NOT have all the other bodies found?

I mean this just gets worse... SOMEONE/S did NOT want anyone looked for out there would be my biggest takeaway and always has been...AND LO AND BEHOLD when they did, all these other bodies were found...

Someone tell me that doesnt stink and reek to high heaven and I haven't even touched on all of the things that make it so...
I think it was just a random person who came across her remains. But maybe I have that wrong.
 
This is an article from July this year. I don't think it has been posted before. Some interesting snippets.


John Ray, the family lawyer of Shannan has maintained that her death was not caused by a drug-induced drowning, as has been previously reported by CBS as the department's stance, but rather by a killer that has yet to be identified.
"When the police claimed that she had wandered into the marsh and managed to kill herself, when I had seen the autopsy report where she's found face up laying on a bush, and the police had claimed she drowned. That didn't make any sense," Ray exclusively told The U.S.

RULED A HOMICIDE​

Shannan's cause of death in her initial autopsy was undetermined, but Shannan's family decided to get a second opinion.
The second autopsy found that Shannan "met a violent end, that she was strangled," Ray said in a previous interview.
Ray was there when world-renowned medical examiner Dr. Michael Baden performed the second autopsy.
"When we looked at the bones, we were able to discern that the very small, significant hyoid bone in the neck, was cracked on one edge," Ray said.
Baden's autopsy "indicated that she did not die of natural causes and it was consistent with homicide," Ray said.
Ray also pointed out that there was a hole at the base of Shannan's hyoid bone that was found in the second autopsy.
"It appears be to something was either drilled or pushed through that bone.
"And we couldn't determine what that was, but it was highly unusual," the lawyer said.
While Ray maintains that Shannan died by homicide, he said it is unclear who murdered Shannan and has never claimed that Heuermann was behind the alleged crime.

INVESTIGATING THE MARSH​

Ray said he was concerned by the police's drowning explanation and what he called a "fallback position" where local authorities also claimed she could have died from natural elements after she got lost in the marsh.
"So I said, 'You know what? The best way to learn about this is go there yourself and see what this terrible marsh was like, such that it would've killed her,'" the lawyer said.
Ray, a Long Island native who spent summers at the beach and has experience as a lifeguard, said he thought it was odd that Shannan could have gotten lost in a local marsh.
"I don't believe Shannon ever entered the marsh," Ray said.
Ray went into the marsh to investigate on the same day Shannan disappeared a year before with the conditions and weather being similar.
He began searching the marsh at 4.53am on May 1, 2012, as that was the time Shannan first made her hysteric 911 call.
Ray entered the marsh at the same location, he called it a "quasi opening," where local police said she entered.
"You have to work at it, but you can get in," he said.
It may have been hard to get into the marsh, according to Ray, but he said it was not difficult to get out.
"Either side of the marsh there were escape routes easily found," the lawyer said. "It would be absurd to say somebody got lost in the marsh and died because they couldn't get out."
Ray explained that when walking in the marsh "the loam you walked on was damp and sometimes had a little water that would come up over say the tip of your boot. And that was about it. It wasn't deep at all."
He added: "Even if she fell into the canals, they weren't deep. They're like not even waist deep — they'd come up to your thighs for an average person."
Shannan was seen running out of a client, Joseph Brewer's, house on the day she vanished, rushing to neighbors' houses for help.
Two neighbors called 911, one of them being Barbara Brennan.
Brennan called around 5.30am that day, Ray explained, saying that it was only a few minutes before dawn.
"So twilight would've been the condition, not pitch darkness," Ray said. "So the police theory that she got lost in the dark and got confused is absurd."
"In fact, as we went through the marsh, as we progressed, we could see our way into the homes that lined from Oak Beach — that lined the marsh on the south side of it," Ray added.

SHANNAN'S CLOTHES​

Former Suffolk Police Commissioner Richard Dormer claimed to a reporter that Shannan ran through the bramble, which pulled her jeans off, according to Ray.
"First of all, any girl who wears jeans they're not baggies like in the hippie days — they're tight jeans and they don't come off because sticker bushes pull them as you go through the marsh," Ray said.
Ray added: "How do you get them off? You have to take them off, or somebody's gotta take them off for you."
"So then they argue, well she panicked and in her panic because she was on drugs, she was hallucinating and she got wet and she took off her pants," Ray said.
"That's absurd as well," he said, noting that there is "zero evidence" that she was on drugs the day she vanished.
Ray said in a previous interview that Shannan was wearing a bra in photographs taken of her body and that the band that attaches the two bra cups was cut in half.
"It wasn't torn like an animal would do it," the lawyer said.

READ MORE ON THE US SUN​

As questions about Shannan's death continue to go unanswered, the public has been also wondering about the several other remains that were found along Ocean Parkway in 2011.
The Suffolk County Police Department told The U.S. Sun that it has not made any comments regarding statements made by John Ray.
The public has been also wondering about the several other remains that were found along Ocean Parkway in 2011
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The public has been also wondering about the several other remains that were found along Ocean Parkway in 2011
 
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So that was wrong about her being naked, based on that private autopsy. I got the info from this 2011 BBC link.

It would be good to try and get the police autopsy and compare them.

Why would they say this? That the clothes and belongings were found the previous week whereas the private autopsy said the skeleton still had remnants of her clothing.
I didn't remember whether she was completely naked...I seem to remember that her jeans were among her other personal items, including her phone, btw.
Anyway, besides more info as to her belongings, I'd like to read the report from the anthropologist.
Let's be honest, she was never seriously searched for. And loved ones searching and where would depend on what if any info they had from LE. You do mean back when she disappeared right?
Yeah, the boyfriend and Pax and possibly one of her sisters went together to Oak Beach sometime within the first day or so of her missing. They're whom provided that doctor with her mother's phone number.
And you don't like Harrison smh.
It isn't that I don't like him, it's that I think he made a few bad judgement calls regarding that press conference.

Below is a link to where info from LE can be found re the Gilbert case.
 
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