Who is the LONG ISLAND SERIAL KILLER? *ARREST JULY 2023*

Who is the Long Island serial killer? This is a general discussion thread about this terrifying case.

Who is the Long Island Serial Killer?

The Long Island serial killer (also referred to as LISK, the Gilgo Beach Killer or the Craigslist Ripper) is an unidentified suspected serial killer who is believed to have murdered 10 to 16 people over a period of nearly 20 years.

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[GrandmaBear]

There is no way bramble pulls her jeans off. Especially because her jeans were probably tight. She was a prostitute.

I had the SAME thought and figured it was at least a long time and lengthy amount of time running through bramble to do so. I don't buy it along with their "drowning" and a lot of other. BUT I allow for depending on what she was wearing for jeans that it may be really out there improbable but possible. Not sure why I allow for anything on that side as I don't believe for a minute their determination on Shannon. I have various scenarios BUT theirs fits not WHATSOEVER.

 

[GrandmaBear]

She was identified last year but they held it back due to the Investigation. I posted this the other day.

Mr Tierney told reporters that Vergata had been positively identified via DNA in August 2022 but investigators kept the development under wraps due to the ongoing investigation into Mr Heuermann. Officials refused to comment on whether or not her murder may be linked to the suspected serial killer.
The district attorney also attributed the delay to the need to contact Vergata’s family members.
However, it has since emerged that Vergata’s two biological sons - Eric and Gary Doherty - apparently were not informed before Friday’s announcement."

Okay. I see and stand corrected. i was going by when we the public knew.

I've also come to realize her sons were not adopted by her, people were talking afterwards.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I don't think that's an accurate characterization because he was still trying to get her to get in the vehicle when she ran away from Gus Coletti's.


Based on what's determined at this point, yes.
However, if I'm not mistaken, the remains of the Asian male are believed to be as early as '96 but of course, that's only an estimate. Also, re the remains of the mother and her toddler, I don't recall how old those were estimated to be.

Yeah in my opinion she was still be followed, attempted to be found and "contained"... I seen no reason to believe any of these men including her pimp driver.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I was pointing out the fact that Baden's report contained inaccurate and/or incomplete information.

I'm not. I'm saying that if there were, tox wouldn't show it.
But it's a fact of her victimology that she was known to use cocaine, which is helpful info to be aware of to possibly explain her behaviors. Having said that, I don't think the cause of her behaviors could be determined conclusively, only surmised.

No, I don't know all the answers but still, I do think there's enough info to conclude manner.

I could say the same about their coroner or ME etc., there is NO reason to conclude as they did and honestly there were things no one could conclude on either side as unfortunately they weren't bent on finding her.

I don't have time right now to go into the "surmising" things about cocaine, what she may or may not have done in life or that night. It is far from a fair automatic assumption and even if she had (of her own free will) it still doesn't mean it had anything to do with or caused her death. It also doesn't mean the JOHN wasn't doing drugs and again let's look at what his lifestyle was because he and the driver are the ones that got her out there. Ya know I have a BIL John who I love but the other kinds of johns I think very little of, most have SERIOUS issues to begin with and I think it more than time that they start being addressed instead of just the sex workers judged on their job, lifestyle, drugs, etc...

I recommend you watch John Ray on the same show Harrison was on but of course Harrison is bad and wrong and I am sure you'd probably say the same about Ray. Ray talks of (amongst MANY things) how he first deposed Brewer and her driver before EVER getting to hear the 911 tapes. He then went back and with Brewer the SAME day as he was on with Harrison and deposed Brewer again. The tapes it sounds like caught them both in lies from former depositions. You know, those tapes that they were soooo resistant to give up. There is a LOT of interest in that video.

Mark my words, this is all bigger than some think.

I'd like to add simply that Shannon IS a victim. Whether she is of CB's who knows. And Brewer is a JOHN and her driver a PIMP.

All meant with respect of course, just strong in my opinion, you are entitled to yours. This case and the more that is coming will be going on for a long, long, long time imo.

 

[Tresir]

I look at it as what got him to stop in that area. This man had so many "homes" that he may well have just gone where the heat wasn't so heavy to satisfy his sick urges OR even found a new dumping ground in NYC/way of disposal there or away from there somewhat. There isn't much that would surprise me re him.

So IF the killer of the first and last at least, he was operating from the age of APPROXIMATELY 33 to 47. He is my age or close so I am just ballparking from that. Hoewver, it is pretty clear from LE that he was up to worrisome activity yet again which was one reason for closing the net when they did. And now of course hie is 59 or 60....We have heard the stats on ages and when tehy quit and such but I don't go with generalties full on. This man, CB, is also becoming or starting to appear to be someone with quite the rage in him.

If you get a chance listen to the video with John Ray I posted last night. I know you don't do videos but this one is worth it imo and truly a must watch.

Another thing I should add before I am out of time this EARLY morn and early work hours is they mentioned in that that Asa's attorney recently came out and said something too a few days ago. I was going to mention that but by time I finished Ray's talk, it seemed unimportant almost. I didn't go find it or have time and was going down for the count. But to have this thread current, if anyone has time, it should probably be linked.

And for anyone who thinks John Ray is some buffoon, listen to him through this because he knows his stuff. There are also several new nuggets and good info in it. I do think he very well may have polygraphed these witnesses.

I have managed to listen to all except the last 10 minutes. I sped it up to 1.75 normal speed and put on subtitles. Have to go out but will finish it later in about 3 hrs.

 

[Tresir]

Okay. I see and stand corrected. i was going by when we the public knew.

I've also come to realize her sons were not adopted by her, people were talking afterwards.

That's right - her natural born kids were adopted out.

 

[GrandmaBear]

In the video below, circumstances surrounding Shannon's disappearance are discussed early during the first part and then there's a little more discussion near the last.

What an odd name for a crime channel. Sounds more like they are Patriots selling "blu" chips. Are those similar to blue chips? Sorry I couldn't help it.

I know I'm not going to get time to watch it but perhaps others will. I have to pick and choose as no time for all and Gilbert's death has been discussed with both viewpoints by many for over a decade so I am going to guess they've got nothing new that hasn't been said.

It's interesting that retired NYPD homicide Duty Ron does NOT believe it was an accident and he quite often follows the blue. His buddies though at Police Off the Cuff, also retired NYPD believe the version that was put out by LE. I'd actually expect them to be opposite in their opinions. There is NO consensus on this and just another indicator when it comes here from cops that dissent that there shouldn't be ANY ruling at minimum.

You aren't alone in buying the story and I'm far from alone in believing it reeks.

 

[Guess Who]

I had the SAME thought and figured it was at least a long time and lengthy amount of time running through bramble to do so. I don't buy it along with their "drowning" and a lot of other. BUT I allow for depending on what she was wearing for jeans that it may be really out there improbable but possible. Not sure why I allow for anything on that side as I don't believe for a minute their determination on Shannon. I have various scenarios BUT theirs fits not WHATSOEVER.

Or could she have been running holding her jeans or only had time to partially put them on before taking off?

 

[Tresir]

I came across this while searching and it is an article about the relatives of some of the victims who came together to meet in 2011.

Mary Ellen Mark

www.maryellenmark.com

 

[Tresir]

I finished watching and it was very interesting. This guy knows a lot and right at the end he says they are having a 3 hour conference early November so we need to watch out for that.

 

[Mel70]

What an odd name for a crime channel. Sounds more like they are Patriots selling "blu" chips. Are those similar to blue chips? Sorry I couldn't help it.

I know I'm not going to get time to watch it but perhaps others will. I have to pick and choose as no time for all and Gilbert's death has been discussed with both viewpoints by many for over a decade so I am going to guess they've got nothing new that hasn't been said.

It's interesting that retired NYPD homicide Duty Ron does NOT believe it was an accident and he quite often follows the blue. His buddies though at Police Off the Cuff, also retired NYPD believe the version that was put out by LE. I'd actually expect them to be opposite in their opinions. There is NO consensus on this and just another indicator when it comes here from cops that dissent that there shouldn't be ANY ruling at minimum.

You aren't alone in buying the story and I'm far from alone in believing it reeks.

“Blu” chips IDK. They may be like horse or cow chips. Potato chips, Paint chips.

 

[Regina]

Must be pre '97 for mother and toddler. Asian Male was not discovered till 2011. From my post above -

Peaches" discovered in 1997
Baby "Peaches" discovered April 2011
Asian male discovered April 2011

So if it was CB he was active in '97.

(I thought who's CB...and it took me a minute.)
Yeah, I would think it's possibly pre '97 for the mother and toddler and what I meant re the Asian male was that I think his remains could date even prior to '96
If the LISK is responsible for Vergata, yes, he was operating in very early '96, as you've already posted.
So far, I haven't come across any other cases that I think could be connected to the LISK.

 

[Tresir]

I don't think that's an accurate characterization because he was still trying to get her to get in the vehicle when she ran away from Gus Coletti's.


Based on what's determined at this point, yes.
However, if I'm not mistaken, the remains of the Asian male are believed to be as early as '96 but of course, that's only an estimate. Also, re the remains of the mother and her toddler, I don't recall how old those were estimated to be.

I have since seen that he drove around for about an hour then left just before the cops arrived. The cops took a long time getting there.

 

[Tresir]

I look at it as what got him to stop in that area. This man had so many "homes" that he may well have just gone where the heat wasn't so heavy to satisfy his sick urges OR even found a new dumping ground in NYC/way of disposal there or away from there somewhat. There isn't much that would surprise me re him.

So IF the killer of the first and last at least, he was operating from the age of APPROXIMATELY 33 to 47. He is my age or close so I am just ballparking from that. Hoewver, it is pretty clear from LE that he was up to worrisome activity yet again which was one reason for closing the net when they did. And now of course hie is 59 or 60....We have heard the stats on ages and when tehy quit and such but I don't go with generalties full on. This man, CB, is also becoming or starting to appear to be someone with quite the rage in him.

If you get a chance listen to the video with John Ray I posted last night. I know you don't do videos but this one is worth it imo and truly a must watch.

Another thing I should add before I am out of time this EARLY morn and early work hours is they mentioned in that that Asa's attorney recently came out and said something too a few days ago. I was going to mention that but by time I finished Ray's talk, it seemed unimportant almost. I didn't go find it or have time and was going down for the count. But to have this thread current, if anyone has time, it should probably be linked.

And for anyone who thinks John Ray is some buffoon, listen to him through this because he knows his stuff. There are also several new nuggets and good info in it. I do think he very well may have polygraphed these witnesses.

One thing he said was that when Karen and the other two visited Heuermann, the women said the wife did not want to partake because she was pregnant so she stayed upstairs. That could make sense I think based on the age of her daughter. Maybe she never took part again and he continued with call girls up until the Shannon Gilbert disappearance? Then, I think all the police activity and discovery of bodies in 2010/11 stopped him or he found another dumping ground.

 

[Tresir]

(I thought who's CB...and it took me a minute.)
Yeah, I would think it's possibly pre '97 for the mother and toddler and what I meant re the Asian male was that I think his remains could date even prior to '96
If the LISK is responsible for Vergata, yes, he was operating in very early '96, as you've already posted.
So far, I haven't come across any other cases that I think could be connected to the LISK.

I posted upthread three other possible missing.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I finished watching and it was very interesting. This guy knows a lot and right at the end he says they are having a 3 hour conference early November so we need to watch out for that.

You mean the John Ray one right? Who is having a 3 hour conference, refresh me? LE you mean?

I found him to be plenty intelligent, knows his stuff and great with his responses and some INTERESTING tidbits and thoughts.

One of many that stood out to me is that they figure Asa may have been pregnant and known to want no sex that night and this was why another woman had to be found and brought along as it is always couples with the swinging. THAT I think is a really good guess on his part.I It may not be the case, who knows, but it was an interesting thought.

You know I have been thinking the RW guy knew she'd just been let out of jail but now I realize (just this moment dawned on me) that he may well have picked up Karen (if i t ws her) just on the "street corner" so to speak "hooking" and desperate for money...

 

[GrandmaBear]

I have since seen that he drove around for about an hour then left just before the cops arrived. The cops took a long time getting there.

Ray made it pretty clear their statements they gave back then and whenever do not line up with the released 911 tape which is why more questioning now of Brewer, etc.

 

[GrandmaBear]

One thing he said was that when Karen and the other two visited Heuermann, the women said the wife did not want to partake because she was pregnant so she stayed upstairs. That could make sense I think based on the age of her daughter. Maybe she never took part again and he continued with call girls up until the Shannon Gilbert disappearance? Then, I think all the police activity and discovery of bodies in 2010/11 stopped him or he found another dumping ground.

It's funny I just mentioned the pregnancy to in response to one of your other posts before I saw this one. I am glad you watched it even though I know you don't do vids much because this one I felt very worthwhile and interesting. It is quite possible when pregnant and after becoming a mother that Asa wanted no part of the swinging lifestyle any longer, many woman stop their partying and turn towards the home, etc. HOWEVER, being a mother was not new to her she already had a son. Or maybe it was what DID happen that night to "Karen" that she wanted no part of and was then out of town any time he was going to do such.... Hard to say. Rex also could have been turned off or turned away from her as well and to call girls, again hard to say. Good thought. Then again she may have refrained just that one night or thru the pregnancy BUT another thing is we don't KNOW what Rex and ASA did with Karen after the other two left.... It is hard for me to believe when she was seen twice by the witness outside running around the home naked that Asa knew nothing or never took a part as she was home and we know the house isn't that big and this wasn't in the basement at that point nor was it do I believe when karen saw her looking out a window...

I think it can assumed (not with 100 percent nor proof of course) that Rex or Rex AND Asa requested they leave Karen behind. And there was the thought by the other woman that Asa didn't want sex with her because she was black and Karen was NOT...

I'd have to find it but it seems to me Asa also was not "very" pregnant yet at the time, not that that matters, it is all a good theory.

I am just now having other ones as I talk this out, the thoughts start coming like above.

We also know although not corroborated yet that it is likely true both CB and Asa were swingers at minimum.

If this story ends up corroborated, Asa is in a very hot seat. Ray talked of when they talk to RW who knows if he will tell the truth but my thought would be they already have before the came out with this with Harrison. It would seem wise to do so UNLESS the man has lawyered up or something but he made it sound as if these things still need to be done. I' not 100 percent that Harison would share it with him if they have, at least perhaps not right away...He is still LE and Ray is not so hard to say if he would unless he needed more info or then needed to talk again to Ray's witness...

 

[GrandmaBear]

I posted upthread three other possible missing.

You did and I think there are more possibles than we have any idea of...

 

[Regina]

I have since seen that he drove around for about an hour then left just before the cops arrived. The cops took a long time getting there.

Info from that video I posted is that Suffolk Co police weren't aware of Shannon's 911 call until weeks after her disappearance. The reason is because her call was transferred from Suffolk Co to the state police 911 operator because she was unable to inform of where she was, however, Coletti's and Brennan's 911 calls were both handled by Suffolk Co and police arrived at 5:40am, 10 minutes after Brennan's 911 call, although I'm pretty sure Coletti's call was earlier than Brennan's.
As for Pak, if he left before police arrived, I figure the longest he could have spent looking couldn't have been more than about 25 minutes.