Who is the LONG ISLAND SERIAL KILLER? *ARREST JULY 2023*

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Who is the Long Island serial killer? This is a general discussion thread about this terrifying case.

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Who is the Long Island Serial Killer?

The Long Island serial killer (also referred to as LISK, the Gilgo Beach Killer or the Craigslist Ripper) is an unidentified suspected serial killer who is believed to have murdered 10 to 16 people over a period of nearly 20 years.
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GrandmaBear said:
Gilbert's remains were found a year after the remains of "The Gilgo Four" were discovered. Her cause of death remains contested with police claiming accidental drowning while an independent autopsy determined possible strangulation.

From Gilgo Beach serial killings - Wikipedia
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And this is what I hear all over as the determination, especially by retired LE shows etc. If it isn't on the ME/coroner's report/death certificate then they don't know it as it is this standing versus Baden saying nope, not the case...
 
PLUS I am almost positive that not only family but many others including again some LE want the findings changed AND the case reopened.

You'd think someone should have her death certificate...
 
GrandmaBear said:
Gilbert's remains were found a year after the remains of "The Gilgo Four" were discovered. Her cause of death remains contested with police claiming accidental drowning while an independent autopsy determined possible strangulation.

From Gilgo Beach serial killings - Wikipedia
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Did you not check out the link I posted to the Suffolk Co. website? Despite what police have said they think, I think it's an open case, and the reason it'd be open is because cause and manner weren't definitively determined.
GrandmaBear said:
And this is what I hear all over as the determination, especially by retired LE shows etc. If it isn't on the ME/coroner's report/death certificate then they don't know it as it is this standing versus Baden saying nope, not the case...
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Actually, his opinion is (also) inconclusive.
GrandmaBear said:
PLUS I am almost positive that not only family but many others including again some LE want the findings changed AND the case reopened.

You'd think someone should have her death certificate...
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Have you not read Baden's report?
Apparently, the Suffolk Co autopsy report wasn't among others submitted by John Ray for Baden's second opinion but the death certificate was (which is generated by the ME and states undetermined and so I'm pretty sure the ME's report states the same thing).
Btw, I presume that Ray has the Suffolk Co report but I'm not aware that he's released it.
 
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A poster was interested to know more about Pak and I think what's most important to know when contemplating his role in Shannon's disappearance is that he and Shannon worked together.
They'd met at the escort service through which she was working and where he was working as a driver. (She'd met her boyfriend the same way; he was also a driver, I think at the same service.)
Anyway, at some point, they'd decided to "cut out the middleman" (Pak's words) and work together, which is what they'd been doing for a certain amount of time (a matter of months, I think) before she disappeared.
Another note of importance (in contrast to the LISK victims) is that while Shannon advertised on Craigslist, when she connected with Brewer, it was through another advertising service called Backpage.

Now, what I'd like to know from those who are undecided as to Pak's intention is what reason would he have to cause any harm to Shannon? Granted, I question his judgement- I full well believe that he did the wrong thing by leaving and then not alerting anyone as to the situation but I see no reason to think that he intended her to come to any harm.
 
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Regina said:
Did you not check out the link I posted to the Suffolk Co. website? Despite what police have said they think, I think it's an open case, and the reason it'd be open is because cause and manner weren't definitively determined.

Actually, his opinion is (also) inconclusive.

Have you not read Baden's report?
Apparently, the Suffolk Co autopsy report wasn't among others submitted by John Ray for Baden's second opinion but the death certificate was (which is generated by the ME and states undetermined and so I'm pretty sure the ME's report states the same thing).
Btw, I presume that Ray has the Suffolk Co report but I'm not aware that he's released it.
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No, I get little time to read links and need to pick and choose those I do and most of the time there is no time for any.

I have read Baden's report like back WHEN, I have not went and rewatched everything or reread it either when I am keeping up with new things on it or trying to. I have followed almost ALL through the years on this case.

It seems to me one of the struggles is getting the death certificate changed and case reopened and I KNOW Harrison has talked to it on more than one occasion.

Whatever the case, Baden says one thing and LE another.

I see no REASON they'd send the ME's report to Baden if they are seeking and INDEPENDENT opinion so that's not odd at all. Perhaps though they should have, AFTER his independent opinion to see what he'd dismantle or argue in what it contains/findings were and what was done or not done.

You say the death certificate has cause and manner undetermined but that LE says as we all know it was accidental drowning and so how is it they all tout that? I hear it CONSTANTLY and that is the case and so of course one would think they'd be parroting their "own" ME.

Of course I have not reread anything when one said says this and the other side says that. If it is all UNDETERMINED then THAT is what LE should be saying, not solved, not determined but it isn't the case.

And I could swear they've been asked about changing the death certificate in recent months...

Regardless, there is absolutely NOTHING solved in Gilbert.

And no, I am not going to go reread old stuff. Perhaps the standing death certificate though should be linked/shared. What I read said no such thing. I am not a Wiki fan but went there as things are constantly being updated and added to.
 
Regina said:
A poster was interested to know more about Pak and I think what's most important to know when contemplating his role in Shannon's disappearance is that he and Shannon worked together.
They'd met at the escort service through which she was working and where he was working as a driver. (She'd met her boyfriend the same way; he was also a driver, I think at the same service.)
Anyway, at some point, they'd decided to "cut out the middleman" (Pak's words) and work together, which is what they'd been doing for a certain amount of time (a matter of months, I think) before she disappeared.
Another note of importance (in contrast to the LISK victims) is that while Shannon advertised on Craigslist, when she connected with Brewer, it was through another advertising service called Backpage.

Now, what I'd like to know from those who are undecided as to Pak's intention is what reason would he have to cause any harm to Shannon? Granted, I question his judgement- I full well believe that he did the wrong thing by leaving and then not alerting anyone as to the situation but I see no reason to think that he intended her to come to any harm.
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To shut her up of course.
 
GrandmaBear said:
I have read Baden's report like back WHEN, I have not went and rewatched everything or reread it either when I am keeping up with new things on it or trying to. I have followed almost ALL through the years on this case.
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I've found it helpful to re-read his report because in a comment above, I'd only presumed that Ray had the autopsy report and right off the bat, I now see that it's stated that Baden received the Suffolk County autopsy report from Ray. Lol!
GrandmaBear said:
It seems to me one of the struggles is getting the death certificate changed and case reopened and I KNOW Harrison has talked to it on more than one occasion.
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I've haven't heard Harrison say anything about changing rulings but I have heard him say that he thinks the death was an accident.
GrandmaBear said:
You say the death certificate has cause and manner undetermined but that LE says as we all know it was accidental drowning and so how is it they all tout that? I hear it CONSTANTLY and that is the case and so of course one would think they'd be parroting their "own" ME.
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I've never heard LE say they know, just that they think or believe.
 
Regina said:
I've found it helpful to re-read his report because in a comment above, I'd only presumed that Ray had the autopsy report and right off the bat, I now see that it's stated that Baden received the Suffolk County autopsy report from Ray. Lol!

I've haven't heard Harrison say anything about changing rulings but I have heard him say that he thinks the death was an accident.

I've never heard LE say they know, just that they think or believe.
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There is without doubt going back in a case when more is known or years later or once charged, etc and rereading and watch defendant and witness interviewa again with hindsight and once one knows more. I"ve done it many a time and it has value but I don't get to do it these days or I'd never keep up and even back some time ago I couldn't do it in all either of course.

Harrison had a pretty at length answer that way on Gilbert, the findings, etc. but I cannot recall to who, if it was at a PC or something. He talked of it in Ray but that was only part of it and a different answer than some time ago. I am thinking further back. I was very disappointed he took the same stance closed, not reopening, findings stand kind of opinion not long after LISK arrest. Maybe it was the commissioner... But I think both did. Anywhooo why is LE on the same page back then and now and as you say you never hear them say they "know" just that they believe but they mostly all say it both old and new and why is that if it is not the opinion of the ME?

If it is NOT, then you'd think they'd each have their own opinions rather than this "company" held one, it comes from somewhere or do they have NO basis for it...? Hmm.

Honestly that very closed off attitude and staying where BURKE put it and was at, almost uncaring, is a huge part of the problem and plays into the disbelef because they cannot say it with a bit of certainty. Oh some like you may lean the same way but there is not nearly enough proof of any absolute certainty.
 
Rodney Harrison is stepping down. This possibility was talked of in the show he did that I watched, depending on family decisions, etc. This news is already a day or two or more old.

I don't like it. I think he has bridged a gap very well and breathed life and an arrest into this case.

I meant to post this the other day, forget which one and now it is likely old news but just thought of it again.
 
GrandmaBear said:
There is without doubt going back in a case when more is known or years later or once charged, etc and rereading and watch defendant and witness interviewa again with hindsight and once one knows more. I"ve done it many a time and it has value but I don't get to do it these days or I'd never keep up and even back some time ago I couldn't do it in all either of course.

Harrison had a pretty at length answer that way on Gilbert, the findings, etc. but I cannot recall to who, if it was at a PC or something. He talked of it in Ray but that was only part of it and a different answer than some time ago. I am thinking further back. I was very disappointed he took the same stance closed, not reopening, findings stand kind of opinion not long after LISK arrest. Maybe it was the commissioner... But I think both did. Anywhooo why is LE on the same page back then and now and as you say you never hear them say they "know" just that they believe but they mostly all say it both old and new and why is that if it is not the opinion of the ME?

If it is NOT, then you'd think they'd each have their own opinions rather than this "company" held one, it comes from somewhere or do they have NO basis for it...? Hmm.

Honestly that very closed off attitude and staying where BURKE put it and was at, almost uncaring, is a huge part of the problem and plays into the disbelef because they cannot say it with a bit of certainty. Oh some like you may lean the same way but there is not nearly enough proof of any absolute certainty.
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I think it comes from whoever was chief at the time. The others toe the line until they become chief then they have their theories. How many police chiefs have there been since the start of this? Not just since the start of when the bodies were found (ie Gilbert's disappearance) but when they initially disappeared.
 
GrandmaBear said:
Rodney Harrison is stepping down. This possibility was talked of in the show he did that I watched, depending on family decisions, etc. This news is already a day or two or more old.

I don't like it. I think he has bridged a gap very well and breathed life and an arrest into this case.

I meant to post this the other day, forget which one and now it is likely old news but just thought of it again.
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That's unfortunate. Any reason? Maybe a promotion to another force? I guess he will go down in history as the man who caught LISK. It's now in the prosecutors hands.
 
Some new links.

nypost.com

Suffolk County Police Commissioner Rodney Harrison announces surprise resignation months after catching suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer

Rodney Harrison, a former NYPD chief of department, told officers he will inform Suffolk County Executive Steve Bellone on Friday about his decision to resign, the message states.
nypost.com nypost.com

www.newsday.com

Gilgo Beach killings: Estranged wife of alleged serial killer Rex Heuermann visits him in jail, attorney says

Asa Ellerup filed for divorce six days after Rex Heuermann's arrest on murder charges in the killings of three women.
www.newsday.com
 
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Tresir said:
A lot of detail in this Sun article.

www.the-sun.com

Wife's jail visit to LISK suspect proves illicit cooperation, lawyer claims

THE wife of accused Long Island Serial Killer Rex Heuermann visited him in jail for the first time this week – a decision that one lawyer involved in the case claims is suspiciously timed and…
www.the-sun.com www.the-sun.com
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Filing a quit claim on a home with a divorce pending and one spouse in jail is nothing new. If there is no lien on the home from an attorney, or anybody for any reason, there is nothing unlawful about it. The fact that she filed for divorce also tells me she is not hiding from spousal privilege like she could have done. The quit claim would have to be done if THEY were to sell the home with him in jail. This attorney, if he is any good, knows this and is playing to the media.
 
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