Who is the LONG ISLAND SERIAL KILLER? *ARREST JULY 2023*

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Who is the Long Island serial killer? This is a general discussion thread about this terrifying case.


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Interesting article basically saying exactly what we have all suspected over the years.

We don't hear as much about Spota as Burke.

That this sh* t can go on says a lot about the world we live in and why justice is affected.

Interesting he picked the model of the truck out of a line up and that he talked with LE many times in those days.

You know, I don't WANT to think this way and it would not normally be my jump but I can't see any reason for this even with their attempt at explaining agency lack of interaction and competition but in this one it just can't be helped but felt someone/s of some status or in the investigation were involved or had some problems of their own to protect that CB knew of... And/or with Gilbert whether CB was involved or not.... There is a code of silence with some types of men. When each has something on another at minimum...
 
We don't hear as much about Spota as Burke.

That this sh* t can go on says a lot about the world we live in and why justice is affected.

Interesting he picked the model of the truck out of a line up and that he talked with LE many times in those days.

You know, I don't WANT to think this way and it would not normally be my jump but I can't see any reason for this even with their attempt at explaining agency lack of interaction and competition but in this one it just can't be helped but felt someone/s of some status or in the investigation were involved or had some problems of their own to protect that CB knew of... And/or with Gilbert whether CB was involved or not.... There is a code of silence with some types of men. When each has something on another at minimum...

I definitely think someone on the PD was involved. Probably the dude who was in charge and had porn and sex toys in his car and beat up the guy who stole them. He also told the FBI to go away.
 
There are people that would pay more than asking price just for the notoriety of the house. There is a real reason why the term "murderabilia" is a thing.

The house is a slum house though. Even if it wasn't involved in a murderous crime spree, I'd have to rebuild if I bought it.
 
The house is a slum house though. Even if it wasn't involved in a murderous crime spree, I'd have to rebuild if I bought it.
Not with today's construction prices. Why do you call it a slum house? Just because they let the appearance go? The structure, besides the front porch supports, are all intact. The roof looks fine. The foundation looks fine. The sides look fine. It just needs a few dumpsters and a lot of tlc. Why would they demolish it when the structure is all intact?

My bet is that it will be bought without even going on the market. yes, somebody might demolish it and rebuild, but I'm not sure what that would do in your theory since the land is still the same and has the same history as the house. Why would only the house be the only thing involved? Also, how was the house involved at all if none of the crimes took place there?
 
Not with today's construction prices. Why do you call it a slum house? Just because they let the appearance go? The structure, besides the front porch supports, are all intact. The roof looks fine. The foundation looks fine. The sides look fine. It just needs a few dumpsters and a lot of tlc. Why would they demolish it when the structure is all intact?

My bet is that it will be bought without even going on the market. yes, somebody might demolish it and rebuild, but I'm not sure what that would do in your theory since the land is still the same and has the same history as the house. Why would only the house be the only thing involved? Also, how was the house involved at all if none of the crimes took place there?

According to the woman who attended one swinger's party there said that's where Shannen was chased from. IIRC, there were tools (murder possible tools) found in the basement.
 
According to the woman who attended one swinger's party there said that's where Shannen was chased from. IIRC, there were tools (murder possible tools) found in the basement.
If that is what you are basing as a home of a "murderous crime spree" and the place should be demolished, you might want to rethink your choice of living in an apartment complex. You have no idea what might be lurking in any of those units.
 
If that is what you are basing as a home of a "murderous crime spree" and the place should be demolished, you might want to rethink your choice of living in an apartment complex. You have no idea what might be lurking in any of those units.

Eh, I don't know about it, so I'm cool! :cool:
 
Something is going on. Asa visited CB in jail today and filming appears to be going on in a house close by.

Who the he77 lives 2 blocks away? And there must be some reason she finally went in person to see CB. I've said it before and will again, these two are not "split". It may be a formal divorce but one that is screwing victims out of settlements/assets imo. She may not be charged but I see a lot wrong with this picture.and what he owns and his half of joint assets should all be preserved if you ask me.

I know ya all know I just don't like her either and she has done nothing to change my mind, only makes it worse.

Maybe she is showing them one of the other homes in the neighborhood they "swung" at. Lol.

Major streaming service. Netflix??

What's she going to share? Nothing other than her woe is me tale I'd imagine. Maybe she went to the jail to tell him she's turned on him and is coming totally clean in some documentary. Yeah right. It would be refreshing to hear her express sympathy for the victims just once but that won't happen.

I see her doing nothing without $$ or an incentive.

And the reason for her visit had to be something of note as well. Asking where the key to a safe deposit box is? Asking him if he is sure they will never find his or "their" "other" victims if the house sells? I'm making this all up of course, just asking what it is her attorney couldn't have seen him about instead of her, she has avoided it up until now so it had to be something that really mattered imo...
 
A lot of detail in this Sun article.

Macedonia says Ray has been profiting for years off this case. Just how is it he figure that?

I agree with Ray that this is fraud and if it isn't it should be. I am all for a wife in these cases proecting HER part or HER half (not so much with her as I'm not very conviinced of her lack of involvement or at least knowledge) but generally yes, but NOT his part, that should be safeguarded for victims AND for creditors like the I R S who it is claimed they owe.

And WHAT in the HE77 do they mean visitors can embrace once at beginning of visit and once at end? They are IN PERSON and not through GLASS? Since WHEN do counties do that?? It isn't like that here and that is total B.S. AND embrace?? Anyone else ever heard of this??

Just yet another thing to add to a long list of our system heading way down the toilet and all this stuff keeps going right under our noses and we find out later. NEWS is worthless with it, they don't do their job with anything any more.
 
Filing a quit claim on a home with a divorce pending and one spouse in jail is nothing new. If there is no lien on the home from an attorney, or anybody for any reason, there is nothing unlawful about it. The fact that she filed for divorce also tells me she is not hiding from spousal privilege like she could have done. The quit claim would have to be done if THEY were to sell the home with him in jail. This attorney, if he is any good, knows this and is playing to the media.
This attorney is horse poo and as obvious as they come and he has actually been pretty quiet since his ridiculous acting job in the city park, town square, wherever it was. O have all the people in fact who fell for it and were filling online forums. Also silent have been Happy's daughter and Rader's daughter with regard for some type to supporting Asa AND the GFM.

I don't agree with this at all and if it is 100 percent "kosher" it shouldn't be. She filed AFTER his arrest and he has victims and this is maneuvering to screw them and others. It technically MAY not be illegal since he is not convicted but again it should be or should be held, his part in his name, with it overseen. He for starters should not even qualify for public defenders when half of that home was $250K he gave away to Asa. And let's not even talk other properties out of state. They also or so it is claimed are in trouble on taxes/behind.

Murdaugh was stopped, not soon enough but was. It would be different if it was say an inheritance for Asa from an uncle or parent or something. I'm not so sure.

But then it is NY who I also gather now allows visits with no glass in between. SMDH.
 
This attorney is horse poo and as obvious as they come and he has actually been pretty quiet since his ridiculous acting job in the city park, town square, wherever it was. O have all the people in fact who fell for it and were filling online forums. Also silent have been Happy's daughter and Rader's daughter with regard for some type to supporting Asa AND the GFM.

I don't agree with this at all and if it is 100 percent "kosher" it shouldn't be. She filed AFTER his arrest and he has victims and this is maneuvering to screw them and others. It technically MAY not be illegal since he is not convicted but again it should be or should be held, his part in his name, with it overseen. He for starters should not even qualify for public defenders when half of that home was $250K he gave away to Asa. And let's not even talk other properties out of state. They also or so it is claimed are in trouble on taxes/behind.

Murdaugh was stopped, not soon enough but was. It would be different if it was say an inheritance for Asa from an uncle or parent or something. I'm not so sure.

But then it is NY who I also gather now allows visits with no glass in between. SMDH.
Never said it was right, just that it happens and often.
 
Yeah, the five bucks she'll get for the house before the new owner raises it, should be helpful.
I think you might be surprised. Although rates are slowing sales right now, this would probably find an outright cash buyer, it is Long Island. Heck ya know I don't think it has ever been done but maybe some rich news place that this price would be a drop in the bucket to, should buy it and take it down brick by rick, wall by wall... He is an architect, any false walls to see what is found and then dig layer by layer the ground... And document it. The home has been in the family for forever so anything done to it is not on city or county or whatever it is records nor any sales... Even though he was so "expert" in city building permits, etc., I guarantee anything he did in the basement or otherwise no permit was obtained... Honestly I even wonder about his dad or was it grandpa or both...

But then I have to think if they bought it and did that, Asa would get the $$ and I don't like that thought much. I don't like it at all in fact.
 
One of the most shocking things in that article is, a house with one bathroom is worth $500,000.
The home I raised my kids i I sold (didn't want to but did but was to a sort of relative but in the same breath, I didn't get sh*t for it, five figures, long story) the remodeled and flipped it for between $250 and $300 and snapped up immediately. They kept the very same foot print, one bath (small one two, basic size) and I'm not Long Island. And I couldn't have borrowed NOR sold it for its real value and again there is more to the story but ONE BATH, single car garage, NO basement and more. For one thing there's nothing on the market.

Even though interest rates are stopping sales on one side for those that need to borrow, for those that don't they are snapping the few out there up albeit though for lower prices so she might be dreaming in that respect.

Hard to say. If I'd had my way I would have kept mine and I COULD have, always been perfect with the mortgage that it had remaining, etc. BUT the entire divorce thing left no choice. Again more to the story but this was this year. I was a bit peeved with what they sold it for and what they bought it from me for BUT there were reasons, mainly the corrupt atty and my ex, (and I mean MY atty) I felt I coudln't put it on the open market, one of which was time limits or I could have gotten more, etc. Other reasons played in.

BUT never in any way would I have thought that house would go for that even remodeled with the same footprint BUT there isn't much to choose from and man they did do an awesome job and made it what I would have liked to although I would have added as second bath and a bigger garage but that's to live in, not to flip.
 
The home I raised my kids i I sold (didn't want to but did but was to a sort of relative but in the same breath, I didn't get sh*t for it, five figures, long story) the remodeled and flipped it for between $250 and $300 and snapped up immediately. They kept the very same foot print, one bath (small one two, basic size) and I'm not Long Island. And I couldn't have borrowed NOR sold it for its real value and again there is more to the story but ONE BATH, single car garage, NO basement and more. For one thing there's nothing on the market.

Even though interest rates are stopping sales on one side for those that need to borrow, for those that don't they are snapping the few out there up albeit though for lower prices so she might be dreaming in that respect.

Hard to say. If I'd had my way I would have kept mine and I COULD have, always been perfect with the mortgage that it had remaining, etc. BUT the entire divorce thing left no choice. Again more to the story but this was this year. I was a bit peeved with what they sold it for and what they bought it from me for BUT there were reasons, mainly the corrupt atty and my ex, (and I mean MY atty) I felt I coudln't put it on the open market, one of which was time limits or I could have gotten more, etc. Other reasons played in.

BUT never in any way would I have thought that house would go for that even remodeled with the same footprint BUT there isn't much to choose from and man they did do an awesome job and made it what I would have liked to although I would have added as second bath and a bigger garage but that's to live in, not to flip.
I can't believe what I could sell my very small home for right now here and it's not even in a high demand area like that is. Mine is even smaller than that one, too. BUT me selling my house would mean I would have to also buy something at those same ungawdly prices. Nope. I'll just hang onto what little, but like it a lot, I have. I was floored when I saw what prices my neighbors have been asking! Then, they are closing with offers ABOVE asking price! :thud: Nothing has been on the market for more than a few week, either.
 
It was her current boyfriend who did that. He talked a little bit about it in a documentary on the case.
In that same doc, (in other context) Shannan's sister mentioned that he (Alex) and Shannan were always fighting.
Anyway, how that incident is considered relevant to the circumstances of her disappearance is beyond me.

I think this is a good place to point out a misconception about Shannan and that's that she had a pimp. She did not; Pak was merely her driver.
Btw, a little more info from Pak about that night: Pak said that while he and Coletti were talking, Shannan ran past his (Pak's) vehicle toward the gate of the neighborhood and so when he left Coletti's, he went out that way and expected to find her on the road that leads to the neighborhood from Ocean Pkwy. He said when he reached Ocean Pkwy, he was surprised that he didn't seen her along the way. He said he thought she must have been picked up but regardless, she hadn't want a ride from him and so he left.
The reason I was alluding to was that she didn't want to share her money with the driver that night. Otherwise she would have just got in his car wouldn't she?

Reason it is relevant is that the metal plate in her broken jaw helped with identification when they did eventually find her.
 
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I have found and read these links and they are really detailed about the night Shannan disappeared and how the other bodies were found. The strangest thing is the guy who called Shannan's mother.

The 3rd link is long and detailed. Best to read them in the order I have put them in IMO.

18-month-old mystery over Shannan Gilbert's disappearance may be over; reaction in Hudson


 
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I definitely think someone on the PD was involved. Probably the dude who was in charge and had porn and sex toys in his car and beat up the guy who stole them. He also told the FBI to go away.
Involved in what part? Shannon's night or all of it?

It could be so simple as he just could not have anyone looking too hard at this, questioning sex workers, looking into that world, etc. as he was a well known part of it, user of such too. Was he both ways, I don't recall offhand? His recent arrest was for offering a sex act to a male. it is just as likely he just did not want the feds too near him, his lifestyle and his office for obvious reasons.

There seem to be different things here. Swingers are couples generally. No hint of that in Shannon's death unless her driver was the pair but no hint Brewer had a partner either. I had long thought (still leave it open) this may have been some party that night at Brewers, lots of men, prostitutes (or one prostitute), etc. And heard of cops involved, etc. in these parties. Now it seems that may have been the swinging thing, now that John Ray has shared more, and unsure if it was the Gilbert thing or not. BUT it would fit with how Vergata was got out to CB's home as well... She wasn't part of a couple/swingers, but they needed a fourth...

And we do have CB who is both doing the swinging thing with Asa AND using sex workers on their own as well. We do have cops in the swinging club and parties and THAT may be the long rumored cop part too.

It is the problem with corrupt cops/people in power, and the ones engaged in the very vices and illegal activities they arrest others for. That of itself would make him not want the feds around nor too much of an investigation.

Did Burke swing both ways? IF I recall, he did, but unsure right now, foggy on it. It seems CB did if the stories are to be believed. CB also had searches relating to children so it seems all went for him and maybe he same with Burke. Let's not forget that part. Maybe Burke wasn't so concerned about the adult stuff he had in his car and on his computer... Just wild guesses, what a rabbit hole...

There seems to be a really sick underbelly here and with some in power as well. Doctors, cops, police commissioners, architects... And use of sex workers at minimum, a Long Island thing and more. Again what a rabbit hole but then it is a huge area and population as well. But it cannot be ignored, all victims and even Gilbert were found dead... And that brings it back to a smaller thing and a likely connection...
 
Not with today's construction prices. Why do you call it a slum house? Just because they let the appearance go? The structure, besides the front porch supports, are all intact. The roof looks fine. The foundation looks fine. The sides look fine. It just needs a few dumpsters and a lot of tlc. Why would they demolish it when the structure is all intact?

My bet is that it will be bought without even going on the market. yes, somebody might demolish it and rebuild, but I'm not sure what that would do in your theory since the land is still the same and has the same history as the house. Why would only the house be the only thing involved? Also, how was the house involved at all if none of the crimes took place there?
Uhm at minimum, just the bodily secretions from all the activities and hair clearly would have me wanting it gone. And lack of cleaning. Were I to live in it. I guess if you were going to flip it that would be different but yuck as to living in it oneself, it comes with a huge ICK factor. Just sayin'....
 

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