Who is the LONG ISLAND SERIAL KILLER? *ARREST JULY 2023*

long island.jpg


Who is the Long Island serial killer? This is a general discussion thread about this terrifying case.


MEMBER'S ONLY DISCUSSION/DOCUMENTS:
https://www.crimewatchers.net/threa...other-sensitive-information.3498/#post-226869
 
Last edited:
Never said it was right, just that it happens and often.
No argument there. Murdaugh, Morphew, tons of cases, trying to preserve assets, hide them, etc. Of course in those two they profited from dead wives that they killed as well. Allegedly of course. But none of such is right.
 
I can't believe what I could sell my very small home for right now here and it's not even in a high demand area like that is. Mine is even smaller than that one, too. BUT me selling my house would mean I would have to also buy something at those same ungawdly prices. Nope. I'll just hang onto what little, but like it a lot, I have. I was floored when I saw what prices my neighbors have been asking! Then, they are closing with offers ABOVE asking price! :thud: Nothing has been on the market for more than a few week, either.
Yep all true. Down side though like you say you'd have to, if selling, also purchase in this market and no one wants that. The other down side is banks aren't loaning easily and at these inflated prices either and it takes a buyer that can buy outright or has a ton to put down.
 
The reason I was alluding to was that she didn't want to share her money with the driver that night. Otherwise she would have just got in his car wouldn't she?

Reason it is relevant is that the metal plate in her broken jaw helped with identification when they did eventually find her.
Pak is a creep. He was part of it imo. He got Shannon out there and he did not protect her and never planned to.

People run these girls down but what was he? I mean really. What was Brewer? I mean really. Just some sicko john. Pretty sure he wasn't getting hookers to his HOME out there for some normal reason and to make them dinner and fund their college tuition. Some have a way of only seeing the women as bad, drugged up, stupid, many assumptions, but the driver here and the john are the questionable warped ones.
 
Uhm at minimum, just the bodily secretions from all the activities and hair clearly would have me wanting it gone. And lack of cleaning. Were I to live in it. I guess if you were going to flip it that would be different but yuck as to living in it oneself, it comes with a huge ICK factor. Just sayin'....
It most likely would be a flipper to buy then sell or rent it out.
 
Uhm at minimum, just the bodily secretions from all the activities and hair clearly would have me wanting it gone. And lack of cleaning. Were I to live in it. I guess if you were going to flip it that would be different but yuck as to living in it oneself, it comes with a huge ICK factor. Just sayin'....
But, logically, you could use that same "bodily secretions from all the activities" to any property you buy that is not new, right? The old "you never know what goes on behind closed doors" thing. You don't know what you don't know.
 
The reason I was alluding to was that she didn't want to share her money with the driver that night. Otherwise she would have just got in his car wouldn't she?

Reason it is relevant is that the metal plate in her broken jaw helped with identification when they did eventually find her.

IIRC, she was given an envelope full of just paper. They had no intention of paying her. Why would they? She was going to be killed.
 
I'm pretty sure the 500k is a figment of this attorney's imagination, but you might be amazed at what price it would bring once cleaned up.
I wouldn't be so sure of that. This is NYC area, commuting area, etc. Real estate with yards even is coveted and scarce and it is LI. All rents and sales I'd say are always double to triple if not more per sq. fot too as some of all I'ours if not more so it doesn't sound that high to me... That is probably a drop in the bucket type of price for a home there, a REAL home with a yard, etc. Not even sure it isn't more than one would think just for the lot with all services and in proximity to the water and beaches...
 
If it's appraised for $500,000 I think it's going to be a long time to sell it. Whoever buys it will probably raise the property and rebuild, so they won't shell out even half that price is my guess. Seriously, who wants that house. Do you know anyone, in their right mind, would want it?
I wouldn't want it but a flipper OR an adjoining neighbor and honestly there are all types in this world and it might not bother some people who would just gut it and get a home for what they see as a very low price for this area. Hard to say. I think any neighbor that could afford it would be smart to take it, raze the home and add a ton of value and lot size to their own parcel. It will also get the whole murder memory thing gone.
 
Have you not seen what flippers can do to a property? I've seen some amazing transformations. SHE won't be getting that kind of $$ out of it, but I bet somebody can buy it from her cheap and rehab it and make quite a profit on it.
I will bet you dollars to donuts Asa won't sell very low. IF desperate she MIGHT but I'd be surprised if she goes less than what the TRUE appraised value is by more than 100K, IF THAT. IF that asset is safe from creditors and victims that is. If not, she will want it sold and fast. I'm assuming it is paid off but then who knows with the lifestyle Rex/they had. She would imo have a VERY hard time borrowing against it on her own and I believe it would be impossible. And THEN she has to put another roof over their heads at sky high prices as well. She will want every dollar. And again, I doubt she can get a mortgage either to BUY another.

I wonder where they would go... Because here in any place, SOMEONE would recognize them. Iceland?
 
Well this case is very different, as I think that passing the house over to her is to prevent the victims relatives getting anything and I think that is wrong. Especially if she had knowledge of any of it, which is starting to look possible.
It is wrong and this kind of thing needs to be stopped in cases like this.
 
When I first heard about Shannon’s case, and before there was ever an arrest in the Gilgo murders, I always thought that it could be that Shannon was a crime of opportunity. The suspect in this case could have found her running around, bewildered and scared and grabbed her.

I’ve never understood why detectives would’ve dismissed that idea.
Anything is possible. And yeah it never made sense why they have simply dismissed murder with NO REAL REASON to do so. It is absolutely asinine and especially today with Burke long gone and long made into a villain why they'd keep to this mantra.
 
It was her current boyfriend who did that. He talked a little bit about it in a documentary on the case.
In that same doc, (in other context) Shannan's sister mentioned that he (Alex) and Shannan were always fighting.
Anyway, how that incident is considered relevant to the circumstances of her disappearance is beyond me.

I think this is a good place to point out a misconception about Shannan and that's that she had a pimp. She did not; Pak was merely her driver.
Btw, a little more info from Pak about that night: Pak said that while he and Coletti were talking, Shannan ran past his (Pak's) vehicle toward the gate of the neighborhood and so when he left Coletti's, he went out that way and expected to find her on the road that leads to the neighborhood from Ocean Pkwy. He said when he reached Ocean Pkwy, he was surprised that he didn't seen her along the way. He said he thought she must have been picked up but regardless, she hadn't want a ride from him and so he left.
A grown man who drove for an escort service and then made a private deal with Shannon and sure his dream career was to drive around a sex worker.. Call him whatever. I've also heard it said he was her bodyguard/driver and he FAILED at the bodyguard part.

Most of what you say comes from him/them. It certainly doesn't come from Shannon. And it sure doesn't come from some great LE investigation at the time either.

Maybe a better word for Pak would be her "agent"?

I don't care what you call him, he is a sleaze bag. Let's hear about his private life at the time and his reason for what he was doing instead of something better... What is his "thing"? Did he drive at the escort service to be alone with a bit better looking than average prostitutes...? Did he find and focus on one... Tell her how much more they could make together... Sure sounds like a pimp to me... Did she and Pak ever have sex? Did HE find her that night...?

I could fill pages with questions this p*ss poor of an excuse of an investigation/lack of one NEVER answered.

Who else did Pak work for? Did Shannon having sex with men provide his entire income? Where did he live and how much was his rent? How many calls a week did he take Shannon on? What was his cut? They were basically "in business" together right? Cutting out the middleman (escort agency)... So as a business partner did he do any advertisting for her, try to get her clients, talk her up to guys he met or know, take phone calls, etc.? He was only a driver and only for her...? Sat in his car with a magazine and a Coke while she did the dirty?

WHY have we not heard from OTHER prostitutes that BREWER had out to HIS HOME? Have they looked into HIS history and other calls for such? Huh???

I am BARELY getting started. Maybe a thing or too has an answer somewhere in all the years of this and things on this but I don't think so and I know MOST don't.

Anyhow, not AT you, just voicing thoughts although we don't agree in this case and that's fine.
 
But, logically, you could use that same "bodily secretions from all the activities" to any property you buy that is not new, right? The old "you never know what goes on behind closed doors" thing. You don't know what you don't know.
Well no, not necessarily. For some reason I don't picture Asa cleaning it, sterilizing it, even sealing all with a coat of paint. I don't picture new outlet covers, toilets, or new flooring, etc. When you rent an apartment, it may be basic, but all of that is new. When you buy from a flipper most good ones gut it down to the studs almost. They at least resurface all. Most houses on the market are cleaned and many updated. And none I ever looked at were a home to a known serial killer that had prostitutes and swingers in it steadily over years. Or at least it is not KNOWN. And I have never bought or rented a place, no matter how clean, that I don't go in and do it all again anyhow.

I'm saying and I think emu is or was too (I am so lost in the threads and behind, sometimes I go in on one page and then go back) we have a bit of knowledge of who lived in this ome and what may have went on there including possibly killing and dead bodies who the heck knows but we know enough that for me, NO, I would not want it. Of course there is that any "used" home or apartment one does't know what went on or what is "there" but it isn't the same as knowing or having an inkling. I PERSONALLY would not live in that house. It may not bother some. I wouldn't even buy it if I had the $$ after a flipper took care of all inside and out because on top of it, I'd likely have nightmares about it ALL, him, her, the victims, what happened in the home, the marshy area, on the beach, Shannon and you name it. t is likely I would in any home in that are BUT this particular house most definitely.

And that just brought to mind the thought of how not only did this place as it was before the arrest likely bring down values of neighboring homes a bit, it probably truly has ow and if it hasn't, the assessment is not accurate. if I were a neighbor and had the money I would buy it and raze the home (adjoining neighbor) to change all one can and increase value of both my own and the neighborhood. But I'm not a neighbor and nope, never.

But to add one more point, I don't like what CB and her are pulling and I don't know about others out there that could buy, even if I wanted the place (ha ha), my values would never let me put money into THEIR pockets they are trying to take from victims, creditors and others. NOR help them. So I take back what I said about a neighbor buying it, no they shoudln't. BUT someone will and in their case, they could change what it is and the neighborhood and help themselves. I now say they offer $1 over highest bid if they HAVE to do it just to control it all and make it go away and better their area.
 
IIRC, she was given an envelope full of just paper. They had no intention of paying her. Why would they? She was going to be killed.
I think you are mixing this one up too. The envelope of cut paper was in the story John Ray gave of the taxi driver who picked up who she thought was Shannon who was in a motel room with a man she thought to be CB THESE days. This of course came about after CB was arrested. Shannon looked in the pay envelope while he was in the bathroom or something like that and saw there was NO money in it. This is all THOUGHT to be Shannon and CB. Not proven.

You make a good point though. Where was Shannon's pay? Who got it? Was it ever given? Would it have ever been provided? DID she find out the same thing just for one thing? I could ask 100 more along these lines including what the plan was all along, what she thought it to be, all the setup around it, and so much more. What would they/did they do if Shannon COMPLETED the job and the client refused to pay? Pak the BODYGUARD would step in? Did they insist on half up front and Pak held it in the car? Huh? I mean really, with any client?? No one is going to call the cops over a john not paying a sex worker...

Of interest too now comes to mind is WHAT year did the cab driver say this was back when? I think she had to estimate and wasn't 100 percent. Because Shannon called a cab and not Pak NOR an escort service driver... And she wanted a female cab driver if I recall... Did Pak leave her high and dry with CB? And was this around the same time? She told the cab driver something on the order of they all keep trying to get me or he did to LI... We should look at that and contrast times/years etc. Lol like I will get time but did her "pimp" or "driver" get her in another situation and leave her high and dry or wasn't available that night OR even arranged things... I don't know. These cases I tell ya.

But anyhow back to the point, I don't think cut up paper was ever mentioned about the night Shannon died, I think you are mixing it up entirely with the other incident the cab driver who came forward more recently where the "girl" thought to be Shannon told her she looked in the envelope and there was no money...
 
I think that was another occasion. Not Shannan, you are probably thinking of when the female taxi driver picked up Karen from a motel and CB paid her in cut up paper in an envelope.
Good Lord I need to read ahead. I just try to catch up and then next post or two someone has said as much. I agree. He has it mixed up but it does bring up some interesting thoughts of was she stiffed that night because she wanted to leave? Was any pay given upfront? HOW can they be guaranteed they will be paid if they complete the requested acts and no pay? Isn't that what Pak the "driver" is for...?
 
Good Lord I need to read ahead. I just try to catch up and then next post or two someone has said as much. I agree. He has it mixed up but it does bring up some interesting thoughts of was she stiffed that night because she wanted to leave? Was any pay given upfront? HOW can they be guaranteed they will be paid if they complete the requested acts and no pay? Isn't that what Pak the "driver" is for...?
I think she was at Brewer's for 2 hours IIRC before she flipped out so I would think she was paid. Were any statements taken from Brewer or the witnesses whose houses she went to for help? I read she dialled 911 from behind Brewers sofa.
 

Forum statistics

Threads
3,010
Messages
241,092
Members
970
Latest member
NickGoGetta
Back
Top Bottom