Who is the LONG ISLAND SERIAL KILLER? *ARREST JULY 2023*

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Who is the Long Island serial killer? This is a general discussion thread about this terrifying case.


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This 2015/2017 article has some interesting info. The most interesting is the final paragraph which I have marked with a line of asterisks. ***********



Gilgo Beach murders: 17 dead, suspected serial killer at large

12/11/2015 8:07 am PST


[COLOR=var(--bs-heading-color)]UPDATE Sept. 12, 2017: A carpenter convicted of killing two prostitutes in the 1990s may be responsible for at least one of the 10 unsolved killings of people along a Long Island beach highway.


It may be the most infamous unsolved serial killer case on the books today, a murder mystery Crime Watch Daily has been following closely near Gilgo Beach, Long Island, where at least 10 bodies, mostly strangled young women, were found hidden in the brush. Is convicted murderer John Bittrolff connected to these killings? [COLOR=rgba(var(--bs-link-color-rgb), var(--bs-link-opacity, 1))]WPIX's Mary Murphy investigates[/COLOR].
Dec. 11, 2015:
It is one of the most baffling serial murder cases in modern American history, centered on a lonely stretch of sand on the south shore of Long Island, New York.
Gilgo Beach is a small community with a big mystery on its hands. It's where the bodies of 17 brutally murdered young woman have been found, many of them dumped in the surrounding dunes over a period of 20 years.
Not a day goes by that Mari Gilbert doesn't long for an answer in the death of her 22-year-old daughter Shannan.
Shannan had traveled from New Jersey to Oak Beach, Long Island, near Gilgo Beach, for a date. Later that night she was seen running through the neighborhood in a blind panic.
Gilbert family attorney John Ray has logged more than 700 hours on the case tracing her steps that night.
"She runs out of his home, she calls 911, she runs through the neighborhood knocking on doors, and whenever someone comes to the door who attempts to call the police but not take her, in she runs," said Ray.
And on May 1, 2010, that's the last anyone's heard of her.
Police cleared Shannan's date of any foul play. But she remained missing, and her family pressed for answers.
Former Commander of the NYPD Bronx Homicide Task Force Vernon Geberth has worked hundreds of murder cases and has studied this one closely.
"I don't think if Shannan Gilbert's mother didn't make the hue and cry she did, they would've done anything in Suffolk County," said Geberth. "If that was some millionaire debutante from the Hamptons I'll bet there would have been a whole crew looking for her."
Seven months later police search teams find the body of a young woman in the weeds off Gilgo Beach. But it's not Shannan.
Police widen the search area, still looking for Shannan.
Instead they find the remains of three more young women, all of them like the first discovered body: strangled, stuffed in burlap bags and hidden in the scrub off the beach.
Detective Dominick Varrone is a former Suffolk County chief of detectives who worked the case.
"The initial four bodies, we believe, were simply the killer simply drove along Ocean Parkway pulled off to the side of the road, the shoulder we believe removed the body and tossed it into the bramble as far as he could," said Varrone.
As the case progressed, Mari Gilbert became friends with Lorraine Ela. Ela's daughter Megan Waterman was among the first victims found, six months after she went missing.
The following spring police found six more bodies near Gilgo Beach.
The area along Gilgo Beach where the bodies were found is cold, quiet and very dark in the winter, but in the summer, at the time of the discoveries, there were a lot of people here.
Out of those 10 bodies, not including Shannan's, only five have been positively identified.
When added with remains found in the wider area over two decades, some believe the killer may be responsible for up to 17 murders, more than half them unidentified. The nameless victims include an Asian male in women's clothing, and a mother and her young child.
"It was a unique case because there was a disposal site," said Gebreth. "Not many serial killers maintain a body disposal site. Now, the psychological significance of a disposal site is that the killer goes back to this site much more comfortable second, third, fourth time, but gets to relive the event, because the total control of another being is what drives them."
Police got their first break in the case when they made a connection with 24-year-old victim Melissa Barthelemy. Someone, possibly her killer, used her cellphone from Manhattan to call her sister with a chilling message.
"This guy's a sexual sadist, no doubt about it," said Gebreth. "For him to take the phone and call Melissa's little sister and vividly describe what he did to her sister and how he's going to do it to her, that is him reliving the crime. The problem was the calls were made from midtown Manhattan and they couldn't find it, too many calls. Then he disposed of the phone."
The disappearance of 23-year-old Shannan Gilbert leads to the discovery of multiple bodies of young women, most of them strangled and tossed into the dunes around Gilgo Beach.
Former Bronx Homicide Task Force Commander Vernon Geberth says the full-court press should have started the day police found the first four bodies wrapped in burlap.
"Everybody knows somebody in Long Island, and I'm telling you for the record that the person who did it was highly stressed and people close to him would've seen a sudden change in his demeanor, he wouldnt've gone to work, he would have started drinking, he would have acted strange and he would have left the area," said Geberth.
But some, like the Suffolk County Police, think that there may be more than one killer involved. It's not the first time the experts are divided.
"The D.A. says there are probably two killers because of what they found," said attorney John Ray. "One where two bodies were chopped up, the others where bodies were intact. So they say that can't be the same method, I disagree. The killer can easily learn from his own experience on how to kill and what to do about it and he changes over the course of years. And if the killer is intelligent, which this killer clearly is, they do change their methods."
Then a major break in the case: 19 months after she went missing, the decomposed body of Shannan Gilbert is found near Oak Beach, Long Island. It's the same place she made her last fateful 911 call a few miles down the road from Gilgo Beach.
The search for Shannan's body is the linchpin that uncovered a virtual mass grave of young victims. But now the Suffolk County Police speculate that Shannan was not murdered, but accidently drowned herself in a drug-induced haze.
That idea that is soundly rejected by Gilbert family attorney John Ray.
"The theory that Shannan used cocaine, became confused, tripped, fell, drowned and somehow her jeans were pulled off by the bramble bushes is the theory of the Suffolk City P.D. It's an absurd theory," said Ray. "The water in the marsh is only inches deep. She would have to work at it to drown and to end up where she did face-up makes no sense whatsoever."
The Suffolk County Police have refused to comment on the case to Crime Watch Daily.
But John Ray called for a second autopsy on Shannan's body by high-profile forensic pathologist Dr. Michael Baden. And accidental drowning is nowhere in his conclusions.
"The bone in her neck, known as the hyoid bone -- it's a shaped bone, small, maybe about that big, had two ends or 'horns' upon it," said Ray. "The horns are missing from the hyoid bone of Shannan Gilbert. That indicates strangulation. Virtually every girl who's strangled, virtually every girl's hyoid bone breaks."
At this point, every stage of the investigation has been one more step into the unknown. But things get even more strange with the introduction of Dr. Peter Hackett. He's a resident of Oak Beach, where Shannan was last seen. And he claims he saw her on the last night of her life.
Only two days after Shannan Gilbert's disappearance, her mother Mari hears from a mysterious stranger. He's the first to alert her that something may have happened to her daughter.
"I got a phone call from a man, he said 'My name is Dr. Peter Hackett, I'm calling to see if your daughter Shannan is there,' and I said 'No, why? Who are you?'," said Mari. "And he said he ran a wayward house for girls, Shannan was the, she was upset, she needed to get off the streets. He'd given her some medication to calm her down, and he was worried about her, is she home?"
Dr. Peter Hackett is a former physician for the Suffolk County Police who was living in Oak Beach when Shannan went missing in the neighborhood.
"I had asked him, 'How did you get my number?'," said Mari. "And he told me that it's policy that if anybody goes to his house that he has to have contact information, and I knew that was wrong. Shannan, none of my children would ever give my phone number to anyone."
Gilbert family attorney John Ray says Dr. Hackett is a man who deserves a close look by investigators.
"He never ran such a home. It's a complete fantasy, a drug-infused fantasy, perhaps, but fantasy," said Ray. "And why is he making that particular fantasy in this case, why has that not been thoroughly investigated?"
At first Hackett denied making any phone calls to Mari Gilbert
"Dr. Hackett denied on national television and in writing that he ever made those phone calls," said Ray.
He later admitted making the calls when the phone records were made public. But Hackett claims he never said anything about running a home for wayward girls, and that he never met Shannan Gilbert."
Hackett said he had no knowledge of Shannan Gilbert, never saw her, never met her, never talked to her, that this was all nonsense.
Crime Watch Daily reached out to Dr. Hackett's attorney James O'Rourke several times, with no response. In an interview with Newsday, O'Rourke said of his client: "He never saw her. He never met her. He never treated her."
And police have not identified Hackett a suspect.


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When Shannan's body is finally found 19 months after she disappeared, her mother, Mari Gilbert, gets the shock of her life when police take her to view the scene.
"One of the detectives picked me up in his car, drove me, took me to Peter Hackett's house, took me on his back balcony of his house and from his balcony they pointed and showed me where they found my daughter behind his house," said Mari. "I'll never forget that day."
The case has heated up with the Gilbert family suing Hackett for the wrongful death of Shannan.
Dr. Peter Hackett has given three depositions in regards to the Shannan Gilbert civil suit filed against him. He claims he had nothing to do with her death.
Peter Hackett has refused a formal interview with Crime Watch Daily. But we waited for him in the courthouse parking lot after his deposition to see if he had anything to say. He denied running a home for wayward girls.
But Shannan's mother Mari says he absolutely told her he ran a home for wayward girls in his phone call to her.
Asked if he had anything to do with Shannan Gilbert's death? "Of course not," said Hackett.[/COLOR]
Yeah Hackett's calls to family and then he lies about them. Wayward home for girls I had forgotten about that.

Not sure I knew that they took her mom to HIS house, to HIS balcony to point to where Shannon was found. WTH is wrong with these cops/people??!! Detective no less.

Shannon's case has too many liars and too many questions. Too many oddities. This doctor was a physician for Suffolk County. My goodness. And they take mom to his house... Ya can't make this sh*t up. How did he get her number.... Maybe from Shannon's cell phone.....? Sounds eerily similar to CB...

You know back some time ago I kept thinking it was Shannon's family who had calls from the killer and I was corrected. THIS is what I was trying to recall and why I thought they'd had calls. I"ve seen almost all of this before but it is a case that has went on for decades and it wasn't fresh. I do NOT think I ever knew she was taken to Hackett's home and balcony or if I did it never struck me.

I almost did not read this as it was long, I never have time and I could tell it was "old" news from the outset but I am glad I did. I skimmed the first part but from Ray's statement about the absurdity of her drowning onward, it was good to refresh on that part...
 
Yeah Hackett's calls to family and then he lies about them. Wayward home for girls I had forgotten about that.

Not sure I knew that they took her mom to HIS house, to HIS balcony to point to where Shannon was found. WTH is wrong with these cops/people??!! Detective no less.

Shannon's case has too many liars and too many questions. Too many oddities. This doctor was a physician for Suffolk County. My goodness. And they take mom to his house... Ya can't make this sh*t up. How did he get her number.... Maybe from Shannon's cell phone.....? Sounds eerily similar to CB...

You know back some time ago I kept thinking it was Shannon's family who had calls from the killer and I was corrected. THIS is what I was trying to recall and why I thought they'd had calls. I"ve seen almost all of this before but it is a case that has went on for decades and it wasn't fresh. I do NOT think I ever knew she was taken to Hackett's home and balcony or if I did it never struck me.

I almost did not read this as it was long, I never have time and I could tell it was "old" news from the outset but I am glad I did. I skimmed the first part but from Ray's statement about the absurdity of her drowning onward, it was good to refresh on that part...
I had heard/read this elsewhere too, ie that she was found behind his house, but hadn't mentioned it till I had a legit link. The other day I went on street view and you can see the houses.

She would have had $750 dollars on her too when she left Brewer right? Did they find that in her purse? Her belongings were found before her IIRC.
 
This is his house. See the big high balcony/viewing platform at the back?

He sold it pretty quickly. The article states the other guy sold his house quickly too.

Strange but these houses were put up for sale before Shannan's body was even found in Dec 2011




SUFFOLK

Oak Beach home briefly involved with Gilgo case for sale​

The home of Charles Peter Hackett, located at 47 Larboard...

The home of Charles Peter Hackett, located at 47 Larboard Court in Oak Beach. (April 10, 2011) Credit: James Carbone

I am having problems copying the rest of the article for some reason but it is worth reading. It states you can see Fire Island from that balcony. Some remains were found on Fire Island and only recently identified AKA Fire Island Jane Doe/Karen Vergata.
 
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I had heard/read this elsewhere too, ie that she was found behind his house, but hadn't mentioned it till I had a legit link. The other day I went on street view and you can see the houses.

She would have had $750 dollars on her too when she left Brewer right? Did they find that in her purse? Her belongings were found before her IIRC.
Yeah that's what I asked. Was the money in the pocket of her "lost" jeans? Did Pak take it? Was she even paid?

This brings things back. I THOUGHT she was found right near HIS home but thought it was my fuzzy recollection and was wrong because wasn't the last place she was at the woman's house...? Or do I have that wrong?

I read your next post too working up when i came in and that woman got out of there and moved fairly quickly too.

This is a DOCTOR'S HOME. I am almost positive I've never see that pic before. Granted somewhere like Long Island can have seaside looks or weathering and granted even for a doctor a very nice house would be expensive but his too does not look all that well maintained, certainly not polished. Yeah there are decks but the windows and doors are not anything extraordinary and the lowe deck blocks views, door on bottom isn't much and all outside is kind of messy.

But then if you ran a home for wayward girls and that's where all your money went and they'd need some privacy and it took all your time, I guess it makes sense. :thud:
 
This is his house. See the big high balcony/viewing platform at the back?

He sold it pretty quickly. The article states the other guy sold his house quickly too.





SUFFOLK

Oak Beach home briefly involved with Gilgo case for sale​

The home of Charles Peter Hackett, located at 47 Larboard...

The home of Charles Peter Hackett, located at 47 Larboard Court in Oak Beach. (April 10, 2011) Credit: James Carbone

I am having problems copying the rest of the article for some reason but it is worth reading. It states you can see Fire Island from that balcony. Some remains were found on Fire Island and only recently identified AKA Fire Island Jane Doe.
So all three got rid of their homes and moved... How INTERESTING.
 
I didn't know the woman sold her home. She apparently didn't open the door but just rang the police I think. There was one other guy's house too in addition to Brewer and Hacket that she went to but then just ran off.
Yes I don't know if it was immediate but it wasn't long after and she moved from the area, maybe even from the state as I recall it. She is the one I KNEW no longer lived there, didn't know of the others or forgot. Correct, she didn't let her in. But she did call.

But wasn't she Shannon's last known stop and the last call? I dont' know how far her house is from Doc's but she ends up near his home where the area an be shown and pointed to from the balcony which is still jsut WEIRD they'd show her mom that way in HIS house. So did the cops just ask him or being he'd worked for the county did they just assume ad knew it would be fine? Or did he own the home no longer? Was he there? Still WEIRD.

She ends up dead where it can be pointed to from Hackett's... Smh.

The woman was last was she not?

Of course all o f it and them is not on Shannon's word of where she went... I guess the ones that called 911 or spoke to cops when she was at or left their home is probably fact though...
 
Found this article about Brewers house for sale. Again the article won't copy for me. But it says Brewer didn't pay her.



Managed to copy this bit.

Oak Beach home linked to Gilbert for sale​


The home at 8 The Fairway on Oak Beach, where Joseph Brewer allegedly met Shannan Gilbert who advertised on Craigslist as an escort. Gilbert was last seen in the Oak Beach community in May and is the subject of a missing person investigation that led police to find four bodies in the Oak Beach area. (Dec. 15, 2010) Credit: James Carbone
 
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Yes I don't know if it was immediate but it wasn't long after and she moved from the area, maybe even from the state as I recall it. She is the one I KNEW no longer lived there, didn't know of the others or forgot. Correct, she didn't let her in. But she did call.

But wasn't she Shannon's last known stop and the last call? I dont' know how far her house is from Doc's but she ends up near his home where the area an be shown and pointed to from the balcony which is still jsut WEIRD they'd show her mom that way in HIS house. So did the cops just ask him or being he'd worked for the county did they just assume ad knew it would be fine? Or did he own the home no longer? Was he there? Still WEIRD.

She ends up dead where it can be pointed to from Hackett's... Smh.

The woman was last was she not?

Of course all o f it and them is not on Shannon's word of where she went... I guess the ones that called 911 or spoke to cops when she was at or left their home is probably fact though...
Hacket knew and worked with Burke apparently. This is all so f'ed up.

I think Hackett was the last place she went to because how did he get Sharon's mum's phone number otherwise?

We could work it out because her body was not discovered for quite a while after the others so maybe Hackett had sold by then.

Shannan's body was not found until Dec 2011, I think, so both these houses were put up for sale well before that but after the other bodies were found.
 
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This is another good article from the time they had found multiple bodies but still had not found Shannan.



It began as a simple search for a missing prostitute named Shannan Gilbert, who had disappeared in May, and has evolved into a grisly murder mystery. The remains of eight people have now been discovered on a several-mile stretch of the Long Island shore, and the search will continue on Wednesday — for clues, evidence and, her family fears, perhaps the body of Ms. Gilbert.​
Investigators determined on Tuesday that none of the eight victims was Ms. Gilbert, the 24-year-old prostitute from Jersey City whose disappearance sparked the initial search near Ocean Parkway and Gilgo Beach.​
In nearly four months, the remains of four female prostitutes and four unidentified people have been found decomposing on the same remote stretch of brush and grassy dunes, heightening residents’ fears that a serial killer is in their midst and fueling an investigation that has intensified with each grim discovery.​
A police dog and its handler found the first body on a Saturday in December. Three other bodies were discovered two days later. Months would pass before the police found another body last Tuesday, about one mile east from where the others turned up. On Monday, the body count climbed yet again: the remains of three other people were found.​

Meanwhile, Ms. Gilbert is still missing. The police dog and Suffolk County officer who discovered the first body in December had been on a training exercise in the area in connection with the disappearance of Ms. Gilbert, who vanished nearby.​
At her home in Ellenville, N.Y., Mari Gilbert, the mother of Shannan Gilbert, sought solace in the notion that even though her daughter had not been found, her disappearance made it possible for others to have been discovered.​
“If it wasn’t for my daughter, these bodies never would have been found,” she said. “Everyone has their destiny, maybe this was hers. I’m still hoping she comes home.”​
On Tuesday, investigators focused their attention not only on the brush and grassy dunes where the bodies were found, but also on Oak Beach, a residential area a couple miles away. In the morning, a busload of investigators entered the gated community, known as the Oak Island Beach Association. Investigators have returned numerous times to the gated community since last year: It is where Ms. Gilbert was last seen.​
Ms. Gilbert had been visiting a seaside home in the Oak Beach area in the early morning hours of May 1. Gus Coletti, 76, was one of the last people to see her alive. He was at home, shaving, shortly before 5 a.m.​

“I hear somebody screaming and bang-bang on the door,” he said. “I opened the door, and she stood right there. I said, ‘What’s the matter?’ And she kept saying ‘Help me.’ ”​
When he dialed 911, she ran. “She took off, and that was the last I saw her,” he said.​
The wave of grim discoveries — the third serial-killer murders involving prostitutes on Long Island in more than 20 years — has shocked residents, and reshaped life in what are typically tranquil beach communities. Mr. Coletti’s wife, Laura Coletti, said on Tuesday that she often walked along a service road on the south side of Ocean Parkway, but no longer. Her husband said the discovery of three new bodies has made his elderly neighbors nervous. “They call and they say, ‘Gus, are you watching out for us?’ ” he said.​
Mr. Coletti, the former president of the association, said property values have plummeted in the area since December. Homes used to sell for $1 million, but now the prices are closer to $600,000, he said. “They’d have open houses, and 10 to 12 people would come and look,” he said. “Now, nobody’s coming at all.”​

The bodies of the four prostitutes discovered in December were deposited aboveground and spread over a quarter-mile. Each one had been placed roughly 500 feet from the next, and each one lay about 50 feet from the north side of Ocean Parkway. Investigators said that although they were placed there at different times, the four women were all in their 20s and that they had all advertised for clients on Craigslist.​
Dominick Varrone, chief of detectives in the Suffolk County police, said that it was too early to ascertain much from the new remains; he noted that three of the four newly discovered bodies “were of a considerable distance from the original four.”​

The police said more human remains were found on a Long Island beach, where a presumed serial killer has left other bodies.

He said that the police still believe that the first four victims were “the work of a serial killer,” but that it was too soon to determine if any of the latest victims were connected to the earlier murders.​
He also added that it seemed that the four latest victims had been left there at least as long as the earlier victims, who had been reported missing between July 2007 and September 2010.​

In recent days and months, police recruits and cadaver-sniffing dogs have combed through the brush for clues or more remains. Divers have searched a nearby inlet. Forensic anthropologists from the New York City medical examiner’s office have assisted in the case. On Tuesday, several investigators searched for evidence in dense thickets near Ocean Parkway, roughly three miles east of where the three bodies were found on Monday.​
The investigators, wearing gardening gloves and boots, used shovels and tree clippers to break through the thick brush and poison ivy close to the roadway. Some have discovered ticks on their bodies, said Stuart Cameron, a deputy inspector in the Suffolk police. “They’re getting scratched up,” he said. “None of them are complaining.”​
The entire area the police are now searching is roughly seven miles, from the Robert Moses Causeway to the Nassau County line.​
“It is disturbing,” said Chief Varrone. “Most of these crimes have occurred some time ago. We have not found anything recent; that is a little bit of a consolation, and with each set of human remains that we find, as investigators, we are optimistic or hopeful that some or most of them will provide valuable clues, valuable pieces of the puzzle that will help us resolve this case.”​
 
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Found this article about Brewers house for sale. Again the article won't copy for me. But it says Brewer didn't pay her.



Managed to copy this bit.

Oak Beach home linked to Gilbert for sale​


The home at 8 The Fairway on Oak Beach, where Joseph Brewer allegedly met Shannan Gilbert who advertised on Craigslist as an escort. Gilbert was last seen in the Oak Beach community in May and is the subject of a missing person investigation that led police to find four bodies in the Oak Beach area. (Dec. 15, 2010) Credit: James Carbone
Wasn't paid. How sweet. Man does that sound similar to CB, IF him, with his cut up paper but I'd bet dollars to donuts he never paid the ones he killed OR took it back. Smh.

Didn't you or someone recently say she was there for three hours?? How dare he not pay her. Of course on whose word was it that she wasn't paid?

I can't see the article, it wants 25 cents and a log in and while that isn't much I know what happens after that cheap initial membership lol. So not doing it.
 
Hacket knew and worked with Burke apparently. This is all so f'ed up.

I think Hackett was the last place she went to because how did he get Sharon's mum's phone number otherwise?

We could work it out because her body was not discovered for quite a while after the others so maybe Hackett had sold by then.

Shannan's body was not found until Dec 2011, I think, so both these houses were put up for sale well before that but after the other bodies were found.
Well he could have gotten it from a buddy cop with more access than we have to people's numbers just like they have more access to vehicle info and plates, etc than we have BUT I suspect it was from her cell phone... I am almost positive the woman's place was the last (per what WE have been told), I can't swear to it but sure think so...? Definitely could be wrong.

"this IS so EFFED up you are right. I don't conspiracy generally in crimes. I Never jump to trafficking, etc.. like with a missing child or woman. But ALL these cases here keep coming back to odd connections, similarities, types, etc.. and of course all sex workers. As far as we know. Burke and his cohorts come up CONSTANTLY. Rumors of sh*t on LI over decades just seem to fit even better and rather than being able to dismiss such, they keep circling back...
 
Just getting the victims and dates straight in my head. We have clear gaps in the years notably 2012 onwards.

Karen Vergata missing Feb 14th 1996
Asa E pregnant Feb 1996
"Peaches" discovered in 1997
Baby "Peaches" discovered April 2011
Valerie Mack Spring/Summer 2000
Jessica Taylor missing July 21st 2003
*Maureen Brainard-Barnes July 2007
*Melissa Barthelemy July 2009
Shannan Gilbert May 2010 disc Dec 2011
*Megan Waterman June 2010.
*Amber Costello 2nd Sept 2010
Suspect and vehicle described Sep 2010
Asian male discovered April 2011
Pick-up registered to brother in SC 2012
J. Burke Suffolk Police Chief 2012-2015
R. Harrison Suffolk Police Chief Jan 2022
*Rex H arrest July 2023
 
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Info from that video I posted is that Suffolk Co police weren't aware of Shannon's 911 call until weeks after her disappearance. The reason is because her call was transferred from Suffolk Co to the state police 911 operator because she was unable to inform of where she was, however, Coletti's and Brennan's 911 calls were both handled by Suffolk Co and police arrived at 5:40am, 10 minutes after Brennan's 911 call, although I'm pretty sure Coletti's call was earlier than Brennan's.
As for Pak, if he left before police arrived, I figure the longest he could have spent looking couldn't have been more than about 25 minutes.
Apparently she did tell them where she was, she said Jones Beach, which is a State Park, so she was put thru to State Police apparently.
 
Hacket knew and worked with Burke apparently. This is all so f'ed up.

I think Hackett was the last place she went to because how did he get Sharon's mum's phone number otherwise?

We could work it out because her body was not discovered for quite a while after the others so maybe Hackett had sold by then.

Shannan's body was not found until Dec 2011, I think, so both these houses were put up for sale well before that but after the other bodies were found.
Well he could have gotten it from a buddy cop with more access than we have to people's numbers just like they have more access to vehicle info and plates, etc than we have BUT I suspect it was from her cell phone... I am almost positive the woman's place was the last (per what WE have been told), I can't swear to it but sure think so...? Definitely could be wrong.

"this IS so EFFED up you are right. I don't conspiracy generally in crimes. I Never jump to trafficking, etc.. like with a missing child or woman. But ALL these cases here keep coming back to odd connections, similarities, types, etc.. and of course all sex workers. As far as we know. Burke and his cohorts come up CONSTANTLY. Rumors of sh*t on LI over decades just seem to fit even better and rather than being able to dismiss such, they keep circling back...
Just getting the victims and dates straight in my head. We have clear gaps in the years notably 2012 onwards.

Karen Vergata missing Feb 14th 1996
"Peaches" discovered in 1997
Baby "Peaches" discovered April 2011
Valerie Mack Spring/Summer 2000
Jessica Taylor missing July 21st 2003
*Maureen Brainard-Barnes July 2007
*Melissa Barthelemy July 2009
Shannan Gilbert May 2010 disc Dec 2011
*Megan Waterman June 2010.
*Amber Costello Sept 2010
Asian male discovered April 2011

*RH
Interesting. The ones where it is known is almost all summer, with maybe one or two spring and fall. Nothing winter at all. Well I guess Vergata was. I find this significant for some reason. You'd think if all him he'd have more time in winter with building, etc. slowing down BUT he also maybe didn't go into the city much or have the funds although I am sure he never paid the murdered girls....By spring or late winter he likely had a big itch which may explain Vergata again IF he is respsonsible for most or all.

Can you keep this but do one interspersing any dates we know of? Like year daughter born. Like any news on him and his career. Years Vegas time share bought, SC land bought, trip to Alaska, etc... Sorry to ask but seems like something you'd enjoy doing and maybe we will see something as we learn more and fill it in?

We know he had like some car accidents he sued for, etc. Maybe have to lay a bit low if cliaiming injury. Was summer (with a hit toward spring and fall) a time when Asa traveled and took off with the kids/ It would make SENSE because they'd be out of school...

The John Ray witness thought her and her guy's think was likely on or near Valentines because they had a routine of swinging/celebrating on holidays... Did Rex and Asa as well...? I mean same swinger's club if true... Some get babysitters and go out for a romantic dinner for V day but hey whatever floats your boat, to each their own, unless murder involved...
 
Filing a quit claim on a home with a divorce pending and one spouse in jail is nothing new. If there is no lien on the home from an attorney, or anybody for any reason, there is nothing unlawful about it. The fact that she filed for divorce also tells me she is not hiding from spousal privilege like she could have done. The quit claim would have to be done if THEY were to sell the home with him in jail. This attorney, if he is any good, knows this and is playing to the media.
I agree with the victims attorney that the Heuermanns are trying to prevent the marital assets being targeted for future victim compensation. If he is found guilty I think they will find a way to seize the house or the proceeds if the house is sold.
 
Well he could have gotten it from a buddy cop with more access than we have to people's numbers just like they have more access to vehicle info and plates, etc than we have BUT I suspect it was from her cell phone... I am almost positive the woman's place was the last (per what WE have been told), I can't swear to it but sure think so...? Definitely could be wrong.

"this IS so EFFED up you are right. I don't conspiracy generally in crimes. I Never jump to trafficking, etc.. like with a missing child or woman. But ALL these cases here keep coming back to odd connections, similarities, types, etc.. and of course all sex workers. As far as we know. Burke and his cohorts come up CONSTANTLY. Rumors of sh*t on LI over decades just seem to fit even better and rather than being able to dismiss such, they keep circling back...

Interesting. The ones where it is known is almost all summer, with maybe one or two spring and fall. Nothing winter at all. Well I guess Vergata was. I find this significant for some reason. You'd think if all him he'd have more time in winter with building, etc. slowing down BUT he also maybe didn't go into the city much or have the funds although I am sure he never paid the murdered girls....By spring or late winter he likely had a big itch which may explain Vergata again IF he is respsonsible for most or all.

Can you keep this but do one interspersing any dates we know of? Like year daughter born. Like any news on him and his career. Years Vegas time share bought, SC land bought, trip to Alaska, etc... Sorry to ask but seems like something you'd enjoy doing and maybe we will see something as we learn more and fill it in?

We know he had like some car accidents he sued for, etc. Maybe have to lay a bit low if cliaiming injury. Was summer (with a hit toward spring and fall) a time when Asa traveled and took off with the kids/ It would make SENSE because they'd be out of school...

The John Ray witness thought her and her guy's think was likely on or near Valentines because they had a routine of swinging/celebrating on holidays... Did Rex and Asa as well...? I mean same swinger's club if true... Some get babysitters and go out for a romantic dinner for V day but hey whatever floats your boat, to each their own, unless murder involved...
Yeah I can add other stuff as I find out about it. We know Asa was pregnant in Feb 96 for instance so daughter was born later in 96 presumably.

We also know Asa was away when the three murders happened that he was charged for so she was likely away July 2007, July 2009, June 2010 and Sept 2010 right?

ETA If she is away in Iceland then that could explain the summer murders. Noone visits Iceland much in the winter months and we know she wasn't away for the only winter one, when she was pregnant. (Karen)
 
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