Who is the LONG ISLAND SERIAL KILLER? *ARREST JULY 2023*

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Who is the Long Island serial killer? This is a general discussion thread about this terrifying case.


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Yeah Hackett's calls to family and then he lies about them. Wayward home for girls I had forgotten about that.

Not sure I knew that they took her mom to HIS house, to HIS balcony to point to where Shannon was found. WTH is wrong with these cops/people??!! Detective no less.

Shannon's case has too many liars and too many questions. Too many oddities. This doctor was a physician for Suffolk County. My goodness. And they take mom to his house... Ya can't make this sh*t up. How did he get her number.... Maybe from Shannon's cell phone.....? Sounds eerily similar to CB...

You know back some time ago I kept thinking it was Shannon's family who had calls from the killer and I was corrected. THIS is what I was trying to recall and why I thought they'd had calls. I"ve seen almost all of this before but it is a case that has went on for decades and it wasn't fresh. I do NOT think I ever knew she was taken to Hackett's home and balcony or if I did it never struck me.

I almost did not read this as it was long, I never have time and I could tell it was "old" news from the outset but I am glad I did. I skimmed the first part but from Ray's statement about the absurdity of her drowning onward, it was good to refresh on that part...
Hackett was a police surgeon for Suffolk County. Don't know the dates but will try and find out.
 
Article from Jan 2022, when Rodney Harrison took over as Police Chief. Amazing to think that within 18 months he had an arrest.


It was Harrison who said he would release Gilbert’s 911 call “as long as it doesn’t impede the investigation”. Last week, Harrison went further, saying a ring of people could be possibly connected to the murders. “I’m feeling confident that we’re getting closer to making an arrest,” he told a local news outlet.


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If that’s correct, it will have taken Harrison about two weeks to move a case forwards that hadn’t advanced much in 11 years. And that raises several questions, not least why would it require a police commissioner from New York City to get things going.

Among the theories that have circulated was that police did not call in the FBI because they had elements of their own to hide. But Harrison said that linking the Gilgo murder investigation to local police misconduct was a disservice to the investigation. “I can reassure everybody that there’s no coverup in this case,” he said.

According to the Suffolk district attorney, Ray Tierney, who worked with Harrison in Brooklyn, the case is now a firm priority. Tierney has called in FBI investigators as well as running a team of detectives of his own.

Rodney Harrison at podium

Rodney Harrison seen in April, before he became the police commissioner of Suffolk county. Photograph: Lev Radin/Pacific Press/REX/Shutterstock
“I go into it with no expectations, but there is a voluminous amount of evidence that’s been collected. We’re going to review and go where it leads us,” Tierney told the Guardian. “It matters to the victims’ families and the people of Suffolk county. They want to see it solved.”

But Gilgo Beach residents last week professed a striking level of indifference. “Bad things happen all over, but some make the headlines. Other than gosh, who’d have thought that would happen here, all the talk seems to be coming from people who don’t come from here,” noted one man parked in a pick-up.

The sense that the case has gone cold, and of official indifference over the last 11 years, vexes John Ray, the Gilbert family’s lawyer. Ray has been a consistent advocate for the family’s efforts to find justice for Gilbert, along with the other women who were found along the coastline.

“Police incompetence, along with certain willful conduct by members of the police department, was a bad mix that destroyed the ability to solve this case,” Ray told the Guardian.

Ray has pursued, through civil litigation and by applying pressure to investigators, a local resident of Oak Beach whom he believes is a prime suspect in Gilbert’s murder and those of the other women found along the beach. The man, a former senior official in the local emergency medical services, made several calls to Gilbert’s mother in the days following Gilbert’s disappearance as well as calls to regional police, her boyfriend, her driver and the client “to learn what he could about Shannan”, Ray has alleged in a civil suit.

Police said initially said Gilbert had probably died accidentally in the marsh behind the man’s house, but that was before they had a body. Later they said she was calm on the 911 call. While Ray is bound by the court to not discuss what he heard on the call, he allows that what police reported “appears to be a deliberate misrepresentation of what happened”.

“It starts to give you pause about what the police’s view of all this was,” he added.

The man later denied his involvement in Gilbert’s disappearance and denied he’d made the calls. “So he did all of these things to try to get serious information. He had no reason to do that if he wasn’t involved,” Ray said.

Suffolk county Police and police recruits search an area of beach near where police had recently found human remains in 2011 in Babylon, New York.

Suffolk county Police and police recruits search an area of beach near where police had recently found human remains in 2011 in Babylon, New York. Photograph: Spencer Platt/Getty Images
But other suspects are also in the frame, according to Ray. In essence, murder on this scale takes place in a context of local corruption, Ray said, and that context is what police have been unwilling or unable to expose.

“All of that adds to the problem of defining the circle of guilt. The corruption involved sex and drugs, and these people are involved in either or both of those behaviors. That’s what unites them, but it’s also what makes it so difficult to pin the culprit down because there are so many people with different liabilities.”
 
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Yeah that's what I asked. Was the money in the pocket of her "lost" jeans? Did Pak take it? Was she even paid?

This brings things back. I THOUGHT she was found right near HIS home but thought it was my fuzzy recollection and was wrong because wasn't the last place she was at the woman's house...? Or do I have that wrong?

I read your next post too working up when i came in and that woman got out of there and moved fairly quickly too.

This is a DOCTOR'S HOME. I am almost positive I've never see that pic before. Granted somewhere like Long Island can have seaside looks or weathering and granted even for a doctor a very nice house would be expensive but his too does not look all that well maintained, certainly not polished. Yeah there are decks but the windows and doors are not anything extraordinary and the lowe deck blocks views, door on bottom isn't much and all outside is kind of messy.

But then if you ran a home for wayward girls and that's where all your money went and they'd need some privacy and it took all your time, I guess it makes sense. :thud:
The woman never opened the door to her but just called the police, I believe.
 
Hackett was a police surgeon for Suffolk County. Don't know the dates but will try and find out.
What is a police surgeon? I've got to say I am pretty sure we don't have one in my county. ... is it a doctor/surgeon who does jail inmate surgeries or someone like a surgeon for LE employees/provider under their insurance plan?? I'm not being sarcastic or facetious, I have NEVER herd of such. A coroner or some such? Yes. Not this.
 
What is a police surgeon? I've got to say I am pretty sure we don't have one in my county. ... is it a doctor/surgeon who does jail inmate surgeries or someone like a surgeon for LE employees/provider under their insurance plan?? I'm not being sarcastic or facetious, I have NEVER herd of such. A coroner or some such? Yes. Not this.
Not sure of their duties but these links might explain.


 
Not sure of their duties but these links might explain.


Hmm. Helps a bit but does that mean the surgeon goes with fllashing lights; and can get through before EMTs? Or they are part of the EMT thing? Interesting. Don't know that you'd need one on staff but maybe so somewhere like NYC. I can't even begin to get how they decide surgery over don't screw up a crime scene plus do it without supplies and so forth.

BUT I may be mixing things up. I think in today's posts I read surgeon and also read Sufffolk Co. physician. Either way, news to me there are such things but surgeon threw me for a loop way more than doctor/physician for the county.

Either way here we go back to "connections" and ya know NYC, Manhattan and LI aren't low population places but it is fricking amazing these constant coincidences... Always has been.
 
Hmm. Helps a bit but does that mean the surgeon goes with fllashing lights; and can get through before EMTs? Or they are part of the EMT thing? Interesting. Don't know that you'd need one on staff but maybe so somewhere like NYC. I can't even begin to get how they decide surgery over don't screw up a crime scene plus do it without supplies and so forth.

BUT I may be mixing things up. I think in today's posts I read surgeon and also read Sufffolk Co. physician. Either way, news to me there are such things but surgeon threw me for a loop way more than doctor/physician for the county.

Either way here we go back to "connections" and ya know NYC, Manhattan and LI aren't low population places but it is fricking amazing these constant coincidences... Always has been.
Dr Scott Coyne is the current surgeon at Suffolk County Police - I sent you a link about him. I don't know any more than you about their duties. I think they are just a medic basically.
 
Searching to find the answer to last place and came across this, still don't know but interesting.

Here is part...

Asked if he thought Shannan was afraid of the man in the SUV, Colletti

replied, "She was afraid of somebody."

Then, Colletti saw Shannan was hiding underneath the boat in his yard.

"All of a sudden, she took off, out from under the boat ... and he took off after her. And I yelled to him to stop. And he didn't and he followed her around that way," he said.

I don't agree with all in it but a lot of it is pretty darned interesting... And worth a read.

I didn't find yet the answer of whose home was last, neither the woman nor Doc is mentioned in this one at least not through the bulk of it I read up to the other victims but Colettii is and I recall that and how the driver was following her despite being yelled at to stop.

Interesting about Amber and the others too...

 
Dr Scott Coyne is the current surgeon at Suffolk County Police - I sent you a link about him. I don't know any more than you about their duties. I think they are just a medic basically.
So a surgeon that decides to be an EMT or Medic. Not worth pursuing but it just kind of threw me that he was a former physician for Suffolk... Just not something I'd ever heard of. Jail nurses and things like that I have. My mom worked for county and had "jail duty" at times. She was not on staff at the jail but she was a county employee. This sounded different than that kind of thing though.
 
So a surgeon that decides to be an EMT or Medic. Not worth pursuing but it just kind of threw me that he was a former physician for Suffolk... Just not something I'd ever heard of. Jail nurses and things like that I have. My mom worked for county and had "jail duty" at times. She was not on staff at the jail but she was a county employee. This sounded different than that kind of thing though.
Here's another link that says he was sacked by Suffolk County Police and explains the lawsuit from Mari Gilbert.


"According to Vice, Hackett was formerly a surgeon for the Suffolk County Police Department. Family attorney John Ray told Vice that under oath, Hackett said Suffolk County fired him after he claimed to be at work when he wasn’t."
 
Here's another link that says he was sacked by Suffolk County Police and explains the lawsuit from Mari Gilbert.


"According to Vice, Hackett was formerly a surgeon for the Suffolk County Police Department. Family attorney John Ray told Vice that under oath, Hackett said Suffolk County fired him after he claimed to be at work when he wasn’t."
I don't know why but I think it rings a distant bell. Back to surgeon rather than doc or EMT too. Of course news could play into that. It makes me think of MASH and Hawkeye Honeycut Charlesl etc. and war and you have wounded but no help or supplies...

He was so needed and reliable at what he did that they fired him though.

Well. Wow. So much for his being available in the rare emergency when no one else could be as he claimed to be on duty when he wasn't...

This is the case/cases/crimes/LE, etc. that just keep on giving.... So MUCH fodder... :thud:
 
So a surgeon that decides to be an EMT or Medic. Not worth pursuing but it just kind of threw me that he was a former physician for Suffolk... Just not something I'd ever heard of. Jail nurses and things like that I have. My mom worked for county and had "jail duty" at times. She was not on staff at the jail but she was a county employee. This sounded different than that kind of thing though.
Coyne was Suffolk County's first ever Police Surgeon appointed in 1992 two years after the plane crash he attended. He was responsible for the decision to get Police Officers qualified to give Narcan shots in Suffolk County. Maybe not all forces have them but they should. He is still in post so I cannot see how that story about Hackett being Suffolk's Police Surgeon could be true, unless Hacket was one of the minions.
 
I keep coming across interesting articles. I forgot to post this one last night it is about Amber Costello and her roommate who had the altercation with RH and provided a full description of the car to LE when she disappeared. The article says RH changed the registration to his brother in SC in 2012.

Amber appears to be his last victim looking at the timeline.




In the winter of 2010, shortly after police discovered the remains of his roommate and three other women buried on a remote stretch of Long Island shoreline, Dave Schaller provided detectives with a description of the person he believed to be the killer.

More crucially, Schaller told them about his truck.


What You Need To Know

  • As police comb through the home of a man charged in a string of serial killings in New York, one witness is frustrated it took so long to solve the crime
  • Dave Schaller lived with victim Amber Costello when she disappeared on Long Island in 2010, and he tells the AP he provided detectives with a description of the person he believed to be the killer and the vehicle he drove years ago.
  • Prosecutors say that information may have been lost within a sea of evidence, but it was rediscovered when a new task force formed to examine the case
  • The tip about the vehicle helped investigators whittle their list of suspects in a neighborhood they had already zeroed in on through cellphone location data


The man they were looking for was a towering, Frankenstein-like figure with an “empty gaze” who drove a first-generation Chrysler Avalanche, Schaller recalled telling investigators. The man’s size stuck out, as did his unusual pick-up truck, which he’d used to flee the house Schaller shared with Amber Costello.

On that night, Schaller said he came home to find the stranger threatening Costello, an occasional sex worker, who had locked herself in the bathroom. The two men came to blows, with the hulking intruder eventually leaving in the truck.

Prosecutors say Costello was last seen alive on Sept. 2, 2010, as she left her home to meet that same client. A witness saw a dark-colored truck drive by the house again shortly after she left.

“When they told me she was dead, he was the first person who jumped in my head,” Schaller told The Associated Press. “I’ve been picturing his face for 13 years.”

On July 14, police arrested Rex Heuermann on charges of killing Costello and two other women, Melissa Barthelemy and Megan Waterman. He is the prime suspect in the death of a fourth woman, Maureen Brainard-Barnes. Heuermann, an architect who worked in Manhattan, has pleaded not guilty to the charges.

The arrest marked a stunning breakthrough in the hunt for a serial killer who had eluded investigators and whose crimes gripped Long Islanders since the bodies of four women — all of them sex workers — were found wrapped in burlap near Gilgo Beach.

Within months, the remains of six other bodies, including a toddler, were discovered elsewhere along the same beach highway. Heuermann has not been accused in any of those cases. Police have said the deaths may be the work of multiple killers.

The arrest has brought a measure of relief to families of the victims at a moment when the trail appeared to have gone cold. But as new details emerge about how police finally caught the alleged killer, they’ve also raised questions about whether investigators adequately pursued a key lead — Schaller's description of the stranger and his truck —that may have helped solve the case sooner.

“This was crucial information, and I don’t know why they didn’t share it,” said Rob Trotta, a county legislator who worked as a Suffolk County Police detective until 2013. “They made some serious blunders here.”

Suffolk County District Attorney Ray Tierney, who inherited the investigation when he took office in 2022, said the key to unraveling the case was the description of the truck, discovered by a state investigator after the launch of a new task force formed to take a fresh look at the evidence.

When they ran it through a vehicle records database, one of the results turned up a hit: A man who owned a Chevy Avalanche lived in a neighborhood that investigators were already zeroing in on as the suspect’s likely location because of a sophisticated analysis of cellphone location data and call records. Heuermann fit the physical description provided by Schaller, too: He was 6 feet, 4 inches tall and weighed 240 pounds.

Tierney told the AP he did not know why police had not run a search earlier, but suggested the piece of information may have been “lost within a sea of other tips and information.”

He stressed there were other elements that ultimately helped investigators arrest Heuermann, including new technology that helped match samples of DNA to the suspect.

“What solved this case was a lot of dedicated investigators, analysts and attorneys from a bunch of agencies getting together and collaborating,” he said.

But for Schaller, any feelings of relief over the arrest were soon eclipsed by anger and confusion.

Speaking out for the first time since the arrest, he said he had met with homicide detectives on multiple occasions during the initial years of the investigation.

During one of their final meetings, roughly two years after the women went missing, he said he picked the truck's model out of a line-up of photographs provided by the detectives.

“I gave them the exact description of the truck and the dude,” he said. “I mean come on, why didn’t they use that?”

The question has vexed some law enforcement officials as well. Two high-ranking officials who worked closely on the case and attended briefings between 2011 and 2013 said they never heard anything about a witness statement describing the suspect and his vehicle.

The law enforcement officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to disclose information about the investigation.

According to a vehicle history report, Heuermann bought the pickup — a dark green, first-generation edition — at a Chevrolet dealer on Long Island in 2002 and transferred ownership to his brother, Craig, in South Carolina in 2012.

Authorities seized the vehicle last week. In a search warrant, they said they were looking for other clues in the vehicle or at property the brothers owned in Chester County, South Carolina, such as DNA, fluids, fingerprints, phones and what they described as possible “trophies” that may have belonged to the victims — clothing, jewelry, Bibles or photos.

Investigators said they were also looking for any electronics, video recordings and writings related to the killings; burlap; duct tape; guns and ammunition; cutting tools; and a specific type of paper towel from the Bounty Modern Print Collection.

While it’s not clear whether investigators pursued the tip about the vehicle before last year, those involved in the case pointed to fierce divisions between the various law enforcement agencies — as well as overlapping scandals that engulfed Suffolk County — as a potential explanation for a key clue slipping through the cracks.

Shortly after taking over the Suffolk County police department in 2012, James Burke moved to end cooperation with the FBI amid federal scrutiny of his own misconduct.

Four years later, Burke was sentenced to 46 months in prison after he was found to have conspired to cover-up his beating of a man who had discovered sex toys and pornography inside his car.

The federal inquiry would also lead to prison sentences for Suffolk County District Attorney Thomas Spota, who oversaw the early years of the Gilgo Beach case, as well as the county’s top anticorruption prosecutor, Christopher McPartland.

“This was a dark cloud over the community,” recalled Tim Sini, who succeeded Burke as police commissioner and later became the county’s district attorney. “When you have the police department and the district attorney’s office blocking the FBI, that does not engender trust in law enforcement.”

Sini said he inherited an investigation that was “in disarray,” with detectives blocked from cooperating not only with federal investigators, but with the neighboring police department in Nassau County, where Heuermann lived.

He declined to say if he knew about the description of a suspect and its vehicle, but noted that his office invested heavily in technology that allowed investigators to track data from cellphone towers used by the suspect’s burner phone.

The arrest, Sini said, was the result of painstaking detective work that spanned multiple administrations and relied on a wide range of evidence. But, he added, “I wouldn’t call it a major success. The case should’ve been solved earlier."
 
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So let's just say Asa is innocent. The poor woman finds she is married to a serial killer and her life is upended but smartly she files for divorce, protects assets, sues LE, lawyers up, gets a GFM started by a serial killer's daughter, wants his guns back and does a woebegone me and poor is me dance. She doesn't help LE nor stop communicating with her hub, etc. And probably more I a missing. So poor, put out of their home and since she was not involved, didn't work, etc. has no $$ and no info to help LE.

And then now we have a million dollar deal from Peacock to Asa for a show. An additional $400K is going to her children and their attorney and to her attorney EACH. Gee whiz what info doe she have to offer them? Of any interest? Or her family or atty? I suppose this was paid for a few sound bites and insisting she visit him and go to court so they could get some footage? Maybe she gave them a photo of happier times? Uh-huh.

WHAT is RIGHT about this??? Huh? And THIS is if she is some pure snow white innocent wife whose hairs were found on bodies and who likely swung with the likes of Rex and prostitutes AND had Karen Vergata in her home being chased around outside naked. Alllegedly. I wonder what she served for drinks and snacks that night.

I am sure interest will outweigh trying to give the show no views but I'm not watching Peacock and I may likely never watch them again.

We also have Tierney doing some sound bites lately and I wonder is this also for footage for a show... Or is it because Rodney Harrison is leaving. Maybe he left in disgust...

So even though who knows they will likely put in another side and other stuff too, they really should call it something like Asa Ellerup, the Rags to Riches Story, former abused wife of the Crybaby Serial Killer. I don't care if she is guilty or not WHY should she be profitng?????? Off a story she would allege she had nothing to do with and who has not offered cops a thing NOR has she said one word of sympathy about the victims or their families.

This entire thing is SO wrong she can even do this.

Oh and Happy Face wrote CB. Encouraged him to confess I guess. Different stories out there on this and some say they are in correspondence, don't know if that means CB replied or not and don't know that the confess part is true either.

I'm not always the biggest fan of his but give this one five minutes, even ten, about this stuff.

Hey maybe Peacock will pay the likes of the disgraced Police Commish Burke as well...

 
Continuing to watch. Often I don't with him for a couple of reasons. Usually it is just a bit too dry for me and not of a ton of interest but this one is.

He just copycatted my thought lol. He is telling everyone he would drop Peacock and tell them to screw off, what they are doing is disgusting. I agree.

Generally he wouldn't be the type to entertain her involvement either imo but that is discussed some too.
 
Well you can guess that my poor and suspicious opinion of her from the start with each b.s. thing only gets stronger. To think in early days I almost felt I had to explain it and I wondered why I disliked her so intensely and questioned my opinion and guilted myself over it. Not any longer.. It is good to know my instincts work pretty well at times. I'm never picking another mate in life again though (although if honest, stuck with it despite instincts telling me otherwise many a time and put them aside).

She FLAT OUT disgusts me.

Cameras don't seem to bother her much now. I guess she just thought photos of her or her home should be paid for.... These TWO come across as totally self indulgent selfish people although it is far MORE than that, far bigger than that.

I suspect the recent appearance at his hearing and visit to jail was "asked" for by Peacock? Really true to life then isn't it.... NOT. She shows up n a Mercredes. Just be the wife of a Serial Killer who you helped "entertain" sex workers with in your home and you TOO people, can be wealthy!

Only in America. :thud:

Although I could see this happening in a few other countries pretty easily as well...
 
What is a police surgeon? I've got to say I am pretty sure we don't have one in my county. ... is it a doctor/surgeon who does jail inmate surgeries or someone like a surgeon for LE employees/provider under their insurance plan?? I'm not being sarcastic or facetious, I have NEVER herd of such. A coroner or some such? Yes. Not this.
I can't keep up with this thread either. I haven't heard of a "Police Surgeon" Either.
 

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