Who is the LONG ISLAND SERIAL KILLER? *ARREST JULY 2023*

Who is the Long Island serial killer? This is a general discussion thread about this terrifying case.

Who is the Long Island Serial Killer?

The Long Island serial killer (also referred to as LISK, the Gilgo Beach Killer or the Craigslist Ripper) is an unidentified suspected serial killer who is believed to have murdered 10 to 16 people over a period of nearly 20 years.

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[Tresir]

So similar or the same one that includes the couple of women camping, the 75 year old woman in her home, etc.? I really don't even see much reason to tie those together to one killer in that area.

If there is one that is attempts to get women on the highway only to stop and pull over and those victims without adding these other anomalies and I forgot the man too who went to breakfast and acting as if he was going to work. That is THREE out of you are talking about a half dozen that don't even really fit a Highway 29 thing although I think the elderly lady may have lived along it. So where does this Highway 29 thing even come from? If you take out those three from a half dozen, there isn't much/many. Am I missing something?

I come from a small area. I don't doubt there are ten murders over 15 years at times and sometimes four in a two year period. NONE of them are connected. Is that what they are trying to do here say there can only be one murderer in some smallish town area? Of a woman meeting her mom to shop, of a 75 year old at home, of a man lying about where he was going, of two women from out of state camping away from any access roads per rules.

I guess to put it more clearly. How many victims of attempted traffic pullovers indicating car trouble, etc. were there? I know one or two claim to have had the attempt and did not pull over. How many deaths were there due to this MO?

Because THAT part I could entertain more to be him and start there at least. Even then, I really don't see enough reason yet, of course can't exclude him or any other killer with a connection to the area but just generally.

is there a show you watched that only centered on the traffic attempted things and women? That's what I'm asking. And how many died/how many there were.

I don't know anything about the 75 year old woman or the man, unless you mean the transgender person? Just the six that were in my post that came from Wiki, i think. They were all 25 or under.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I don't know anything about the 75 year old woman or the man, unless you mean the transgender person? Just the six that were in my post that came from Wiki, i think. They were all 25 or under.

The video you posted the podcaster talked of a 75 year old murdered woman in Virginia and a man who dressed to go to work (but was found he did not have to work/was a lie) and who was married and had kids and went and had breakfast and then disappeared. The 75 year old was murdered in her home which if I recall was on Highway 29. No offense but this was YOUR video and offering and I actually DID watch it. Did you? I found it very lacking because of the podcaster bringing in these other such various victims and crimes.

Are you saying there are a half dozen murders on Hwy 29 because I sure didn't get that. And it did not center on that either. It went into these others that I find very unlikely to be related to the same person.

Transgender etc. you are talking CB in Long Island/NY. I am not. I am talking your VA/Hwy 29 stuff.

And then also there are the two women camping away from any access road. How do any of these relate to CB? Ore even connect as to the same killer in VA?

I want to know how many Hwy 29 traffic pullover attempts there were and victims. That particular video I know of ONE, and some attempts. The one going to meet her mother to shop. Maybe I forgot another but I don't think so as he then went to these other random very different murders.

You brought in the VA Hwy 29 things and now you are talking of the NY things. And how can you not know about the 75 year old woman or breakfast man when you posted the video. Pretty sure anyhow. I post things I haven't watched but when I do I say I am just starting to watch or haven't watched them.

So I'm a bit confused here or I think you may be. Both emu and I have been talking of that video and not seeing enough reason after watching to buy into it with CB/Rex.

 

[Tresir]

I don't remember watching or posting the video TBH. Do you think it shouldn't be on here? I'll delete it if you want.

There are some attempted abductions as well, from my memory.of these incidents. But you are correct they may be nothing to do with LISK.

One of the Route 29 victims was a transgender victim too,, like LISK.

There are some similarities which is why they should stay on here IMO. It's fine if you don't agree.

The article I reposted is the most interesting and significant. This is an excerpt from it. It is uncanny the similarities in the MO. It says that 23 women came forward to report attempts by someone trying to get them to pull over.

"Sister of Route 29 Stalker victim says LISK suspect Rex Heuermann looks just like sketch of the elusive murderer


DOUBLE TAKE?

Sister of Route 29 Stalker victim says LISK suspect Rex Heuermann looks just like sketch of the elusive murderer​

"It's the cheeks, there's something about the cheeks. It's quite striking [...] I wonder if he's ever been questioned about it. If he hasn't he should be."

FAMILY of a woman slain almost three decades ago in a case that remains unsolved are urging police to probe her death in connection with accused Gilgo Beach murderer Rex Heuermann after noticing a likeness between him and a sketch of her believed killer.
Alicia Showalter Reynolds was 25 years old when she was killed by an unidentified assailant known only as the Route 29 Stalker on March 2, 1996, while she was driving from Baltimore, Maryland, to Charlottesville, Virginia.

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Alicia Showalter Reynolds was murdered in March 1996. Her killer has never been foundCredit: Virginia State Police

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A police sketch of the Route 29 Stalker is seen aboveCredit: AP

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Alicia's family noticed a likeness between Rex Heuermann and a sketch of the Route 29 StalkerCredit: AP
Alicia was making the 150-mile journey to go shopping with her mother, Sadie Showalter, and the pair had planned to meet at around 10:30am.
Her mom arrived on time but Alicia was not there. Patiently Sadie waited at the mall, believing bad weather or some other unforeseen circumstance must've delayed her daughter, but the hours continued to tick by without any signs of her.
At 6pm that evening, Alicia's car, a Mercury Tracer, was found abandoned along the shoulder of Route 29 near Culpeper, Virginia, some 50 miles away from the mall.
A white paper napkin had been placed under the windshield wiper, a commonly used signal to indicate a vehicle had suffered a mechanical issue. However, nothing appeared to be wrong with the car.

READ MORE ON GILGO BEACH​

'PRELUDE TO MURDER'

New details on witness who saw Gilgo suspect with sex worker found dead​

'GRUESOME'

Gilgo Beach victims & 'LISK's potential first kill' tied up 'in similar way'​

Three witnesses would later tell investigators they had seen Alicia talking to a clean-cut white male who was driving a dark-colored pick-up truck.
Two months would pass without answers before Alicia's body was found on May 7, discarded in a wooded area 15 miles east of Culpeper.
How she was killed has never been disclosed by police but it's believed she was murdered on the same day she disappeared.
Forensic sketch artists drew up various impressions of the man she was last seen with, but still to this day that individual has not been identified.



Eventually, a total of 23 women came forward to inform investigators that between February and March 1996, an unidentified man - aged between 35 and 45 - had attempted to get them to pull over on or near Route 29 by honking his horn, flashing his lights, waiving at them, and yelling at them to report something was wrong with their car.
Many of the women ignored him, reporting that he became furious in response, banging his hands on the steering wheel and mouthing curse words before eventually driving away.
Three women who did stop said he took them to a nearby payphone without any issues. Some women reported seeing a green tarp in the back of the man's truck.
Others said he introduced himself as Larry Breeden - a believed alias - and wore a wedding ring.
A week before Alicia went missing, one woman informed police she had been driving home when a man in a small blue truck stopped her along Virginia 234 to report something was wrong with her car.
He offered to give her a ride, which she accepted, but after driving a short distance the man attacked her and threatened her with a screwdriver.
The woman escaped by jumping out the passenger side door.
Investigators believe the man the woman encountered was the same individual spotted with Alicia on the day she disappeared.
In the encounters prior to Alicia's disappearance, Virginia State Police previously theorized the individual may have been performing "test runs" to pluck up the courage to kill.

I wonder if [Rex Heuermann's] ever been questioned about it. If he hasn't he should be.
Barbara JosenhansAlicia's Sister

All of the women approached by the Route 29 Stalker were petite, brunette, and in their twenties.
For Alicia's family, the 27 years and counting they've spent waiting for answers about her death has been excruciating.
Her younger sister, Barbara Josenhans, told The U.S. Sun she gave up hope on finding Alicia's killer some years ago.
However, she says she noticed a likeness between the sketch of her sister's killer and the accused Gilgo Beach murderer. "

 

[Tresir]

I still haven't watched this but the comments are very interesting. Two women actually comment separately below this video that this happened to them on route 29 where this driver followed them tooting and harassing them but they never pulled over. In a pick up truck. I still haven't watched the video but the comments are very interesting and positive. Many think the sketch is a likeness of RH.

 

[Tresir]

I agree with @GrandmaBear

I think it's highly unlikely. We need to know his whereabouts when these murders occurred. If he was in NY or somewhere else, well that answers that question.

Also, do they have the Route 29 killer's DNA?

I also believe that he has killed elsewhere. Perhaps a DNA match will show up eventually. I'm surprised one hasn't hit already.

Apparently they won't be able to use his DNA to match up with other cases until he is convicted. That video I don't remember posting explains that in the comments. The comments are very interesting and the video poster answers a lot of questions. I read the comments but haven't watched the video yet. I see that I posted it very early this morning which is probably why I don't remember - I had a lot on my mind today. Anyway, 27 years ago in '96 he would have been recently divorced and maybe just meeting up with AE right ? In fact, 14 Feb '96 was Karen Vergata meeting up with Rex and AE in their home right, according to Ray's witness? Alicia was abducted from Route 29 on 2nd March '96 and a woman witness was forced to pull over a week prior to that apoarently and was threatened with a screwdriver but got away. If it was him, that is three victims in 3 weeks and one is still alive and could maybe ID him because she got away from him.
In fact the 23 women who came forward mentioned that someone tried to get them to pull over between Feb and March '96 so the same timeframe again.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I don't remember watching or posting the video TBH. Do you think it shouldn't be on here? I'll delete it if you want.

There are some attempted abductions as well, from my memory.of these incidents. But you are correct they may be nothing to do with LISK.

One of the Route 29 victims was a transgender victim too,, like LISK.

There are some similarities which is why they should stay on here IMO. It's fine if you don't agree.

The article I reposted is the most interesting and significant. This is an excerpt from it. It is uncanny the similarities in the MO. It says that 23 women came forward to report attempts by someone trying to get them to pull over.

"Sister of Route 29 Stalker victim says LISK suspect Rex Heuermann looks just like sketch of the elusive murderer


DOUBLE TAKE?

Sister of Route 29 Stalker victim says LISK suspect Rex Heuermann looks just like sketch of the elusive murderer​

"It's the cheeks, there's something about the cheeks. It's quite striking [...] I wonder if he's ever been questioned about it. If he hasn't he should be."

FAMILY of a woman slain almost three decades ago in a case that remains unsolved are urging police to probe her death in connection with accused Gilgo Beach murderer Rex Heuermann after noticing a likeness between him and a sketch of her believed killer.
Alicia Showalter Reynolds was 25 years old when she was killed by an unidentified assailant known only as the Route 29 Stalker on March 2, 1996, while she was driving from Baltimore, Maryland, to Charlottesville, Virginia.

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Alicia Showalter Reynolds was murdered in March 1996. Her killer has never been foundCredit: Virginia State Police

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A police sketch of the Route 29 Stalker is seen aboveCredit: AP

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Alicia's family noticed a likeness between Rex Heuermann and a sketch of the Route 29 StalkerCredit: AP
Alicia was making the 150-mile journey to go shopping with her mother, Sadie Showalter, and the pair had planned to meet at around 10:30am.
Her mom arrived on time but Alicia was not there. Patiently Sadie waited at the mall, believing bad weather or some other unforeseen circumstance must've delayed her daughter, but the hours continued to tick by without any signs of her.
At 6pm that evening, Alicia's car, a Mercury Tracer, was found abandoned along the shoulder of Route 29 near Culpeper, Virginia, some 50 miles away from the mall.
A white paper napkin had been placed under the windshield wiper, a commonly used signal to indicate a vehicle had suffered a mechanical issue. However, nothing appeared to be wrong with the car.

READ MORE ON GILGO BEACH​

'PRELUDE TO MURDER'

New details on witness who saw Gilgo suspect with sex worker found dead​

'GRUESOME'

Gilgo Beach victims & 'LISK's potential first kill' tied up 'in similar way'​

Three witnesses would later tell investigators they had seen Alicia talking to a clean-cut white male who was driving a dark-colored pick-up truck.
Two months would pass without answers before Alicia's body was found on May 7, discarded in a wooded area 15 miles east of Culpeper.
How she was killed has never been disclosed by police but it's believed she was murdered on the same day she disappeared.
Forensic sketch artists drew up various impressions of the man she was last seen with, but still to this day that individual has not been identified.



Eventually, a total of 23 women came forward to inform investigators that between February and March 1996, an unidentified man - aged between 35 and 45 - had attempted to get them to pull over on or near Route 29 by honking his horn, flashing his lights, waiving at them, and yelling at them to report something was wrong with their car.
Many of the women ignored him, reporting that he became furious in response, banging his hands on the steering wheel and mouthing curse words before eventually driving away.
Three women who did stop said he took them to a nearby payphone without any issues. Some women reported seeing a green tarp in the back of the man's truck.
Others said he introduced himself as Larry Breeden - a believed alias - and wore a wedding ring.
A week before Alicia went missing, one woman informed police she had been driving home when a man in a small blue truck stopped her along Virginia 234 to report something was wrong with her car.
He offered to give her a ride, which she accepted, but after driving a short distance the man attacked her and threatened her with a screwdriver.
The woman escaped by jumping out the passenger side door.
Investigators believe the man the woman encountered was the same individual spotted with Alicia on the day she disappeared.
In the encounters prior to Alicia's disappearance, Virginia State Police previously theorized the individual may have been performing "test runs" to pluck up the courage to kill.

All of the women approached by the Route 29 Stalker were petite, brunette, and in their twenties.
For Alicia's family, the 27 years and counting they've spent waiting for answers about her death has been excruciating.
Her younger sister, Barbara Josenhans, told The U.S. Sun she gave up hope on finding Alicia's killer some years ago.
However, she says she noticed a likeness between the sketch of her sister's killer and the accused Gilgo Beach murderer. "

No of course not, I don't think you should delete anything, ever. All is good for discussion. This article you have here is more on just the Hwy 29 thing. It says all were petite, brunette, in their 20s and more and a similar MO. That video I watched though did not center on this part of how man women on Hwy 29 he went on to the 75 year old, the man, the female couple camping. I am pretty sure ypu posted the video and to give me credit, I did watch it fully.

I just think the podcaster really got away from it all and did not have good points when he wandered into these other murders which were interesting but so different that the entire point was lost I think. All from same general neck of woods but hard to relate to the highway thing necessarily or type of victim. Every crime that happens in even a small area is not necessarily related and that's what he was doing.

I definitely think CB killed or could have or tried to in any area he went to or frequented. So I definitely don't dismiss it. This highway part fits a lot more to me than some of the others that guy wandered into. The 75 year old woman was a real mis-fit to it all. Tragic and awful but it just distracted from the possibility imo. Of course CB could have been killing someone who slighted his mom at church who knows. Or practicing.

The other thing about this is this names the one dead victim. The others said there were attempts to get them to pull over right or he took them to a phone if they did and did nothing to them? It is not a lot to go on or to name someone a Hwy 29 serial killer. In fact they call him a stalker. In this too, the one death is the key thing, there were not many. I don't disagree it could be him though. Pounding his fists on the steering wheel etc. sure sounds like CB. Very much so. Matches one of Ray's witnesses' stories about his temper big time. As I said I wanted to hear more on the Highway 29 part and this is because that is what I feel first off may be him. The others could be too but they did nothing but make that podcaster's story very hard to believe or follow as to how or why any of them connected even if not CB.

23 attempts he either did many in a day or visited mom a whole lot.

I'm not dismssing or doubting, I just found like I said the one video with the 75 year old, the two women camping and the man just way out there in likelihood. Not impossible but unlikely. Even here it sounds like the guy didn't kill almost any of them, those others, someone did.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I still haven't watched this but the comments are very interesting. Two women actually comment separately below this video that this happened to them on route 29 where this driver followed them tooting and harassing them but they never pulled over. In a pick up truck. I still haven't watched the video but the comments are very interesting and positive. Many think the sketch is a likeness of RH.

I said as well I can't ignore the sketch. There is a lot of likeness. I won't ignore his mom lived there and he visited there. And that I believe he would be a bad man and take opportunity anywhere he went or traveled, etc.

In every case, i wish we had the guts of more personal info, where they lived when, family, etc. Not saying family should be outed etc. but that's what tells the most imo. What I mean is for instance if he went to some small town in some state once a year every year and only at that time in that month did they have a murder of a female, that would stand out to me. Just an example. Somewhere like Vegas with his condo is harder. Vegas has a ton of crime but still... And he may still go out of the immediate area. I want to know how his dad died, his family dynamics. Do we have a right, no of course not but I want to know.

He and Asa I have my own picture of. Is it true? I don't know. I just am going off the bit we know and instinct. Imo they are both non adults and users and abusers of people and the system. All for self. That's my opinion although I am open to changing it. Did she ever work? I'd like to know. And I don't mean she should have or had to, I'd just like to know.

It is beyond sick she is getting paid as the wife of an alleged serial killer. In my world no moral person would be okay with that or they would tell what they knew for the fictional Peacock thing and then give all proceeds to the victims' families or something on that order.

It is fictional because imo she went to see CB in jail and went to a hearing FOR PEACOCK or at their request. It is fictional because reports were there was filming at some home nearby but not at their home. Maybe they have that too, who knows, just going by reports.

It's disgusting. She is. He is. It's sick. Never seen anything like it. Imo she needs to take her money and go back to Iceland and if she is ever due to be arrested, they can go get her. She disgusts me to no end. As does her hub.

Her atty. finally claimed she had sympathy for the victims and families. Too late, don't believe it, they are seeing and hearing what has been said so making the too late and weak effort to say that. Said for months.

This woman bothered me from almost day one. In every case, I think the woman is shocked and hopefully had no clue and hope in their grief though they protect themselves while they grieve and try to deal which would not be easy to even THINK of in such shock. In Delphi. In Doerman (neither necessarily an SK). Recent. Allen's wife and mom and daughter I would suspect seem to be standing by him, actually daughter unknown but wife and mom generally there. And I think they are I am sorry, needing to get a clue, BUT that case is a bit more iffy than this one. Doerman, the wife I would hope is not supporting him. I am sorry. Now ASA did as i'd hope any woman would manage to and got an atty, filed for divorce and went to protect self. Or did SHE. She did not leave him and hasn't. And talk about too quick if shocked. This all seems so preplanned and talked of... i can't help it, that's what I see.

She is self serving. So is he. Sadly I see and know more of what I think of her than him. Don't get me wrong, I think they have the guy and I think he tortured these women and killed them (and MANY more) but of course we don't hear from him nor see his actions other than a rare court appearance at most. We have SEEN her actions, etc. The whole other serial killer thing and their kids jumping into this case in the beginning is disturbing to say the least and CB's only sent out response allegedly was to "happy face". Disturbing as heck. I don't want to knock the daughters but how about a GFM for the VICTIMS' families if you feel so bad and about what dad did?!!

I am telling everyone there is a tide turning the wrong way really major right now and I think people have to speak up at minimum. That's what I see and sense anyhow.

 

[Tresir]

Well I am thinking that he clearly killed Karen and Shannan. Also Maureen, where we are awaiting evidence. I think he will be found to have killed Alicia too (Route 29). So that is 7 victims at least so far IMO. I am sure it will end up to be more than 7 victims.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Well I am thinking that he clearly killed Karen and Shannan. Also Maureen, where we are awaiting evidence. I think he will be found to have killed Alicia too (Route 29). So that is 7 victims at least so far IMO. I am sure it will end up to be more than 7 victims.

Well that's interesting in that you are fairly sue about Karen and Shannon and Alicia on Route 29 in another state. What are you reading or listening to lol?

I'm not saying it can't be the case but I sure don't have enough to conclude that. I do think it likely that he killed almost all disposed of that were found along the beach in LI.

I also understand if that is speculation on your part as I do the same but am wondering if you know of something I missed?

Personally I'd guess he was prolific and there were many. And in different areas too, over years. Maybe Iceland should even be taking a look at cases...

There is something here with the root, the childhood, his mother, his father, how did dad die?, maybe even grandpa (the belt). Not an excuse I don't mean WHATSOEVER but something in his psyche, upbringing, etc where he went so screwy or even started out that way. Porn alone is one thing especially these days with internet how far it can take some of these guys and the sh*t they end up into but this is killing. We don't know about the man or the baby etc. but he sure seems to have a problem with women and sex workers. I mean they could be the easy and convenient prey but I don't think that's all of it.

I don't know about the Hwy 29 thing just because the only one killed that you mention here too was married with children going to meet her mom and no hint she was a sex worker. Of course he could have turned to that as an easier way, etc. for prey.

The part that stands out to me the MOST is the man pounding his fists on the steering wheel and such when they did not comply or pull over. Other accounts though have a guy taking them to a phone and doing nothing to them but they well may be talking of different guys. The anger, though, the temper sounds like CB/Rex. It fits so well with the story from the cab driver from John Ray. Of course we have to remember this is a HUGE world and he isn't the only killer or one with a temper and this was not his MO in NY.

I usually convict lol but I'm not sure on all that you are here. I am sure on the four including Maureen. Or as sure as we can get. I am sure on Shannon for various reasons but for sure it was not only him, or at least I don't dismiss Shannon, much of that has to do with the secrecy and b.s. around her case and Ray's witness. If one takes that away, it is a bit harder to be sure BUT I don't believe the official story they stick to there for a minute. i am absolutely not sure about the woman in VA on Hwy 29 but can see it. It doesn't fit any MO of his BUT there is the one too in SC where the daughter swears this man was the man her mom was dating. So that too is a bit of different MO than just hiring a sex worker. But if these things turn out untrue my opinion changes.

To be honest, I've seen no evidence or link or back up that his mom lived in VA or in what years. Is this a certainty?

He did have a deposition in that video I am not sold on (the video) -in a civil case where he and Asa probably sued and it was asked how often he is in VA and how often he visits mom there, how often she was with him (Asa) which if one thinks about it is odd. It was a blip if I remember and the podcaster would have been smart to stay on that and those kinds of things instead of wandering to those other murders of the 75 year old, etc. BUT hey they can change their game and a smart one would but ... It is my belief that someone who kills anyone or intends to or has crossed that line can yes, kill anyone. But there is a preference i think generally with SKs. A sick reasoning, an excuse. They were nobodies, just some women of the night, so I excused it, remember that term? Women or Ladies of the NIght? And these Hwy 29 ones aren't or don't seem to be. Also it mentions 23 others who someone attempted it with but again there's no verification of any of that ortr hat it was even the same guy. Now come to think of it what is the source for that? Plus some the guy or "a" guy did help them out took them to a phone and did nothing to others that stopped.. Even ow it is one dead woman that fits the hwy stuff and that's the one you mention as well.

The VA stuff could have been practice and out of area, hard to say but any town even small if a man wants a sex worker uhm people are naive if they think it isn't easy. Talk to any truck driver's wife who is faithful and honest supposedly and hear the stories the hub tells her of any motel they stop in . Or hotel. And any town big or small. But I guess Rex could have as is said been practicing, it just seems odd when his entire backyard (NYC) was full of such opportunity and so could he meet someone in mom's area that was an actual sex worker but who knows...

All of that longwinded stuff i just said aside I'd like to bring up another topic that crossed my mind more than once. Your article says the were all petite brunettes, he Hwy 29 thing. Not sure he backup on that either but if it s news and reliable, that's what it says. We know the LISK things they refer to petite or small sex workers, not sure about the brunette thing. Shannon certainly was not brunette, not sure about all others.

And let'\s take that to here. Asa sure is not small or brunette or blonde. Not saying she could not have been at some point in life or meeting CB but unlikely I think. So his type o victim is sure not like reminiscent of his wife.

If there is some preference where does it come from and what does it come from? I keep thinking of such a hulking man who would if angry would strike terror any any woman even 5'7 but we have petite (the women) to huge (CB).

Now I will add one more thing. Your article talked of petite brunettes. His google searches though had things like blonde ten year old or whatever it was being ___________ and ____________ and blankety blank etc. Not talked of much and it is disgusting is this child part. He also if I recall had something on the Asian thing. And male or transgender thing if I recall.

So that would seem to indicate he DOES vary and it is harder to add up.

What about the child stuff??!!! Are they looking into that? Did he go with petite young sex workers because they'd be closer to what he didn't dare do and could not hire, but did do possibly to some child somewhere? Again I HATE these thoughts but we have a seriously evil person here. And this search and some other things have been largely ignored, not talked of. re his searches... Asian. Male. Trans. Child. Petite. Brunette. Guessing blonde or red head too if he was in a mood who the heck knows SO by his searches he does not necessarily have a preference other than one could argue most Asians are small as of course are children...

It's a hard topic and I don't like it and HATE thoughts but I think it bears mentioning. And he has a bio child and a stepchild. I am not saying anything happened that way but this man is all over he place as to his searches and his MO IF your thoughts are right or any thoughts anywhere are right of what he may be responsible for.

And yet again I'd like to know more about history, life and family.

Is mom petite? Was she a brunette? Is Asa taking care of her now and visiting her now that CB is in jail? Is she sharing some of the Peacock money for her care? I'm sorry but I doubt the SC brother is taking care of mom, doing the books and bills and seeing to her. Not from the little we have heard of him.

And again I am sorry to anyone who thinks this out of line but I am going by document facts, searches, cell phones, etc. and lack of knowledge on some of it but it is there so what is it about, hardly discussed, he has searches of more than one type. All sick though and torture, etc.

Asa's money from Peacock would be huge money I think to almost any of us although it would be no more than a drop in the bucket to someone like Alex Murdaugh. A couple of hundred tho to the attys on top of it, that is a drop in the bucket to them worth any salt.

A million would change my life forever as I'd be smart with it and I think true of most of us but I think if your hub wanted a private defense atty and you just love him so much even though petite brunettes are his thing, and if you'd want to move and you have household of three plus a hub to support it would not last very long with not a soul working depending on lifestyle. Rent and house payts right now are very high plus she has other properties to maintain being SK hub did a no contest divorce so all hers. I'm sure she also i going to reimburse GFM donors and give some the Happy's daughter for her help and eventually the families of the VICTIMS.

I am sorry world but I am SOOOO disgusted.! I may give Duty Ron another chance as he is saying it right these days....

 

[Tresir]

Well that's interesting in that you are fairly sue about Karen and Shannon and Alicia on Route 29 in another state. What are you reading or listening to lol?

I'm not saying it can't be the case but I sure don't have enough to conclude that. I do think it likely that he killed almost all disposed of that were found along the beach in LI.

I also understand if that is speculation on your part as I do the same but am wondering if you know of something I missed?

Personally I'd guess he was prolific and there were many. And in different areas too, over years. Maybe Iceland should even be taking a look at cases...

There is something here with the root, the childhood, his mother, his father, how did dad die?, maybe even grandpa (the belt). Not an excuse I don't mean WHATSOEVER but something in his psyche, upbringing, etc where he went so screwy or even started out that way. Porn alone is one thing especially these days with internet how far it can take some of these guys and the sh*t they end up into but this is killing. We don't know about the man or the baby etc. but he sure seems to have a problem with women and sex workers. I mean they could be the easy and convenient prey but I don't think that's all of it.

I don't know about the Hwy 29 thing just because the only one killed that you mention here too was married with children going to meet her mom and no hint she was a sex worker. Of course he could have turned to that as an easier way, etc. for prey.

The part that stands out to me the MOST is the man pounding his fists on the steering wheel and such when they did not comply or pull over. Other accounts though have a guy taking them to a phone and doing nothing to them but they well may be talking of different guys. The anger, though, the temper sounds like CB/Rex. It fits so well with the story from the cab driver from John Ray. Of course we have to remember this is a HUGE world and he isn't the only killer or one with a temper and this was not his MO in NY.

I usually convict lol but I'm not sure on all that you are here. I am sure on the four including Maureen. Or as sure as we can get. I am sure on Shannon for various reasons but for sure it was not only him, or at least I don't dismiss Shannon, much of that has to do with the secrecy and b.s. around her case and Ray's witness. If one takes that away, it is a bit harder to be sure BUT I don't believe the official story they stick to there for a minute. i am absolutely not sure about the woman in VA on Hwy 29 but can see it. It doesn't fit any MO of his BUT there is the one too in SC where the daughter swears this man was the man her mom was dating. So that too is a bit of different MO than just hiring a sex worker. But if these things turn out untrue my opinion changes.

To be honest, I've seen no evidence or link or back up that his mom lived in VA or in what years. Is this a certainty?

He did have a deposition in that video I am not sold on (the video) -in a civil case where he and Asa probably sued and it was asked how often he is in VA and how often he visits mom there, how often she was with him (Asa) which if one thinks about it is odd. It was a blip if I remember and the podcaster would have been smart to stay on that and those kinds of things instead of wandering to those other murders of the 75 year old, etc. BUT hey they can change their game and a smart one would but ... It is my belief that someone who kills anyone or intends to or has crossed that line can yes, kill anyone. But there is a preference i think generally with SKs. A sick reasoning, an excuse. They were nobodies, just some women of the night, so I excused it, remember that term? Women or Ladies of the NIght? And these Hwy 29 ones aren't or don't seem to be. Also it mentions 23 others who someone attempted it with but again there's no verification of any of that ortr hat it was even the same guy. Now come to think of it what is the source for that? Plus some the guy or "a" guy did help them out took them to a phone and did nothing to others that stopped.. Even ow it is one dead woman that fits the hwy stuff and that's the one you mention as well.

The VA stuff could have been practice and out of area, hard to say but any town even small if a man wants a sex worker uhm people are naive if they think it isn't easy. Talk to any truck driver's wife who is faithful and honest supposedly and hear the stories the hub tells her of any motel they stop in . Or hotel. And any town big or small. But I guess Rex could have as is said been practicing, it just seems odd when his entire backyard (NYC) was full of such opportunity and so could he meet someone in mom's area that was an actual sex worker but who knows...

All of that longwinded stuff i just said aside I'd like to bring up another topic that crossed my mind more than once. Your article says the were all petite brunettes, he Hwy 29 thing. Not sure he backup on that either but if it s news and reliable, that's what it says. We know the LISK things they refer to petite or small sex workers, not sure about the brunette thing. Shannon certainly was not brunette, not sure about all others.

And let'\s take that to here. Asa sure is not small or brunette or blonde. Not saying she could not have been at some point in life or meeting CB but unlikely I think. So his type o victim is sure not like reminiscent of his wife.

If there is some preference where does it come from and what does it come from? I keep thinking of such a hulking man who would if angry would strike terror any any woman even 5'7 but we have petite (the women) to huge (CB).

Now I will add one more thing. Your article talked of petite brunettes. His google searches though had things like blonde ten year old or whatever it was being ___________ and ____________ and blankety blank etc. Not talked of much and it is disgusting is this child part. He also if I recall had something on the Asian thing. And male or transgender thing if I recall.

So that would seem to indicate he DOES vary and it is harder to add up.

What about the child stuff??!!! Are they looking into that? Did he go with petite young sex workers because they'd be closer to what he didn't dare do and could not hire, but did do possibly to some child somewhere? Again I HATE these thoughts but we have a seriously evil person here. And this search and some other things have been largely ignored, not talked of. re his searches... Asian. Male. Trans. Child. Petite. Brunette. Guessing blonde or red head too if he was in a mood who the heck knows SO by his searches he does not necessarily have a preference other than one could argue most Asians are small as of course are children...

It's a hard topic and I don't like it and HATE thoughts but I think it bears mentioning. And he has a bio child and a stepchild. I am not saying anything happened that way but this man is all over he place as to his searches and his MO IF your thoughts are right or any thoughts anywhere are right of what he may be responsible for.

And yet again I'd like to know more about history, life and family.

Is mom petite? Was she a brunette? Is Asa taking care of her now and visiting her now that CB is in jail? Is she sharing some of the Peacock money for her care? I'm sorry but I doubt the SC brother is taking care of mom, doing the books and bills and seeing to her. Not from the little we have heard of him.

And again I am sorry to anyone who thinks this out of line but I am going by document facts, searches, cell phones, etc. and lack of knowledge on some of it but it is there so what is it about, hardly discussed, he has searches of more than one type. All sick though and torture, etc.

Asa's money from Peacock would be huge money I think to almost any of us although it would be no more than a drop in the bucket to someone like Alex Murdaugh. A couple of hundred tho to the attys on top of it, that is a drop in the bucket to them worth any salt.

A million would change my life forever as I'd be smart with it and I think true of most of us but I think if your hub wanted a private defense atty and you just love him so much even though petite brunettes are his thing, and if you'd want to move and you have household of three plus a hub to support it would not last very long with not a soul working depending on lifestyle. Rent and house payts right now are very high plus she has other properties to maintain being SK hub did a no contest divorce so all hers. I'm sure she also i going to reimburse GFM donors and give some the Happy's daughter for her help and eventually the families of the VICTIMS.

I am sorry world but I am SOOOO disgusted.! I may give Duty Ron another chance as he is saying it right these days....

So you do think he killed Karen Vergata? We have the whole story from the woman witness with the detective about her. Also, one of the route 29 victims was transgender, so that made me wonder too. I think he probably killed Alicia, route 29, as the sketch is so like him.

I thought that too about the petite victims perhaps being akin to child victims for him. The 23 failed attempts on route 29 being put down as "practising" by an LE officer seems weird to me though but could explain the anger when they don't stop LOL. How can he tell the victim is petite when they are driving though? Perhaps that explains the ones he took to a phone - they were too big for his taste?

 

[GrandmaBear]

So you do think he killed Karen Vergata? We have the whole story from the woman witness with the detective about her. Also, one of the route 29 victims was transgender, so that made me wonder too. I think he probably killed Alicia, route 29, as the sketch is so like him.

I thought that too about the petite victims perhaps being akin to child victims for him. The 23 failed attempts on route 29 being put down as "practising" by an LE officer seems weird to me though but could explain the anger when they don't stop LOL. How can he tell the victim is petite when they are driving though? Perhaps that explains the ones he took to a phone - they were too big for his taste?

I don't know. That story is hard to ignore with the swinging and Vergata. The prosecutor seems to act as if he has a disliking of that info, all info coming from Ray and maybe even Harrison and that bothers me. I feel like/sense there are still problems in the department/system and now Harrison is leaving. I suspect the swinger cop maybe denied it and they had better not be protecting him. Or perhaps he corroborated it but we will never know or not anytime soon... I WOULD like to see the swinging and even the note by the Heuermans to swing at their house confirmed by others. It also should be easy to confirm whether Karen had just gotten out of jail. Etc. I'm not doubting it so much as thinking they had better be doing their job and disputing or confirming it, there has been ENOUGH b.s. through the years with this case/s. Keeping things close to the vest in a case and investigation like this I understand, nowadays especially, and with Asa's behavior and attorneys all over the place for her, the kids, CB, etc. BUT this part and these accounts need to be confirmed or denied imo as they are giving us all a belief as to who Asa and CB were and will grow legs.

Yeah, young and petite more than once I've thought maybe was a way to make them children in his mind. There also seems to be a thing with size. He is huge and he wants petite, small. I mean he could overpower any woman BUT he wants the exact opposite of himself. If it does not have to do with children, then I think it has something to do with size, his size or some such. I don't know. There is so much psych sh*t with serial killers we've all heard and Mel would know more but mommy complexes, having a type of victim, certain look and all sorts of sh*t. Prostitutes are certainly not a rare one with serial killers.

Yeah he could have been practicing on the highway and it was not going well and it angered him. I agree he may not have easily been able to tell size until they pulled over although that goes in reverse too in that I heard no account of the man in question being a huge hulk and why wouldn't that have been said/noticed? The anger sounds a lot like him but that could be any of a number of men in the US trying to get a victim or even a woman to meet them, pull over, do as they want. i'm just saying other than his mom living in the area, there isn't much to say this is CB. It's like when people think Barry Morphew could be the Delphi killer because he is from IN and YES that was speculated Barry like Rex had child kinds of searches on his phone and yet their know victims are adults.

Aren't the years/dates though the same time as he was already killing in NY/LI? Or close or right before? I apologize for having no time to check again and confirm.

Maureen's case is sure taking some time when it was hinted at a few times that that would be coming shortly as to charges on the 4th victim.

I don't know. I was happy the case was finally given the task force, attention and got the results needed but I feel like we have to remember where this is and all of the rumors or hints of other things. And sadly politics which go so far now as to entirely affect justice in a p*ssnig match. Politics should never affect justice but it is commonplace these days imo.

They have the right guy no doubt imo but how close are they going to look at other cases and things if it involves a swinging LE officer or others of their own, or higher ups, etc. Burke may have had nothing to do with any murder but when you are a dirty official yourself who uses sex workers and frequents parks and such and are dirty you can't have anyone coming in and getting too close of a look at your office, etc....

I'm wandering some but yeah.

 

[Tresir]

I don't know. That story is hard to ignore with the swinging and Vergata. The prosecutor seems to act as if he has a disliking of that info, all info coming from Ray and maybe even Harrison and that bothers me. I feel like/sense there are still problems in the department/system and now Harrison is leaving. I suspect the swinger cop maybe denied it and they had better not be protecting him. Or perhaps he corroborated it but we will never know or not anytime soon... I WOULD like to see the swinging and even the note by the Heuermans to swing at their house confirmed by others. It also should be easy to confirm whether Karen had just gotten out of jail. Etc. I'm not doubting it so much as thinking they had better be doing their job and disputing or confirming it, there has been ENOUGH b.s. through the years with this case/s. Keeping things close to the vest in a case and investigation like this I understand, nowadays especially, and with Asa's behavior and attorneys all over the place for her, the kids, CB, etc. BUT this part and these accounts need to be confirmed or denied imo as they are giving us all a belief as to who Asa and CB were and will grow legs.

Yeah, young and petite more than once I've thought maybe was a way to make them children in his mind. There also seems to be a thing with size. He is huge and he wants petite, small. I mean he could overpower any woman BUT he wants the exact opposite of himself. If it does not have to do with children, then I think it has something to do with size, his size or some such. I don't know. There is so much psych sh*t with serial killers we've all heard and Mel would know more but mommy complexes, having a type of victim, certain look and all sorts of sh*t. Prostitutes are certainly not a rare one with serial killers.

Yeah he could have been practicing on the highway and it was not going well and it angered him. I agree he may not have easily been able to tell size until they pulled over although that goes in reverse too in that I heard no account of the man in question being a huge hulk and why wouldn't that have been said/noticed? The anger sounds a lot like him but that could be any of a number of men in the US trying to get a victim or even a woman to meet them, pull over, do as they want. i'm just saying other than his mom living in the area, there isn't much to say this is CB. It's like when people think Barry Morphew could be the Delphi killer because he is from IN and YES that was speculated Barry like Rex had child kinds of searches on his phone and yet their know victims are adults.

Aren't the years/dates though the same time as he was already killing in NY/LI? Or close or right before? I apologize for having no time to check again and confirm.

Maureen's case is sure taking some time when it was hinted at a few times that that would be coming shortly as to charges on the 4th victim.

I don't know. I was happy the case was finally given the task force, attention and got the results needed but I feel like we have to remember where this is and all of the rumors or hints of other things. And sadly politics which go so far now as to entirely affect justice in a p*ssnig match. Politics should never affect justice but it is commonplace these days imo.

They have the right guy no doubt imo but how close are they going to look at other cases and things if it involves a swinging LE officer or others of their own, or higher ups, etc. Burke may have had nothing to do with any murder but when you are a dirty official yourself who uses sex workers and frequents parks and such and are dirty you can't have anyone coming in and getting too close of a look at your office, etc....

I'm wandering some but yeah.

The highway incidents were early '96, around the time Vergata went to his house. So his mum had already moved out to Palmyra by then. Also, the 23 women who he attempted to pull over would never have seen his height as he was in his car. The ones he took to use a phone would know his height maybe.

Maybe they are going ahead with these 3/4 and to get him convicted. Then maybe they hope he will confess in prison due to this big ego that serial killers seem to have.

 

[Tresir]

Here is the victim page for Maureen. Thinking about it, I guess the phone evidence is what led LE to him for these later murders. The earlier ones in the 90's probably did not have the electronic trail for them to follow.

https://www.gilgonews.com/Vics/maureenbrainardbarnes

Maureen Brainard-Barnes​

Maureen Brainard-Barnes was 25 years old when she went missing and was living at 180 Prospect St. in Norwich, Connecticut. She is believed to have taken an Amtrak train from New London, Connecticut to Grand Central Terminal in Manhattan on July 6, 2007.
While in Manhattan, she was staying at the Super 8 Motel, located at 59 West 46th St. At the time, Brainard-Barnes, who was 4 feet 11 inches tall, was working as a sex worker, advertising on Craigslist, Backpage and other websites. She was known to advertise under the names Juliana or Marie. Her routine was to travel to Manhattan for a few days to work as an escort, and then return home to Connecticut. While in Manhattan, she was known to stay at The Super 8, The Red Roof Inn on West 32nd Street, the Carter Hotel on West 43rd St. and the Manhattan Hotel on 8th Avenue.
On occasion, Brainard-Barnes would travel with another female who worked out of a different room at the same location. They both may have used a male friend, who they would refer to as their cousin, to accompany them and offer a level of safety and protection. Brainard-Barnes traveled with her female friend the weekend she went missing, however her friend returned home early and Brainard-Barnes stayed behind. Brainard-Barnes was last heard from on July 9, 2007 at 11:43 p.m. when she called a friend in Connecticut. Although she was known to work out of motel rooms, on the night of July 9, 2007, she told her friend she would be going to meet someone outside of the motel on an “out-call.”
Brainard-Barnes was reported missing by a friend to the Norwich Police Department on July 14, 2007. The NYPD assisted the Norwich Police Department in the missing person investigation, eventually taking it over. Brainard-Barnes was found on December 13, 2010 on the north side of Ocean Parkway, near Gilgo Beach, during the search for Shannan Gilbert, who had gone missing from Oak Beach.
She is believed to be the first victim in what is known as the “Gilgo Four”.
The Suffolk County Police Department remains committed to seeking justice for the victims in these cases. Suffolk County Crime Stoppers has recently announced the reward leading to an arrest in this case has been increased from $25,000 to $50,000.

Known photographs of Maureen Brainard-Barnes​

Courtesy of Maureen Brainard-Barnes's family​

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Crime Scene Photos​

Brush area along Ocean Parkway. where remains were recovered
Brush area along Ocean Parkway. where remains were recovered (easterly view)

Suffolk County Government, © 2022.

 

[Tresir]

There is a lot of other info on this same website and includes video of Megan Waterman in the motel.

Also a lot of the case info is on this site too. I have not found Karen Vergata on here yet though

Case Information

www.gilgonews.com

 

[Mel70]

I love that Peacock is involved. The more she talks, the more she's gonna help the prosecution and possibly hang herself.

Tell a lie. You have to tell another. Etc. Ditto. It snowballs. And if you tell different lies to different lies to different people. They eventually can't keep track of who they told what. Then get caught. Good! The truth never changes.

 

[Mel70]

He is writing to the Happy Face Killer ..... who told him to confess!!!!!!

Copy of the letter in this link.

‘Happy Face Killer’ says he’s pen pals with Gilgo Beach murders suspect

Keith Jesperson urged Rex Heuermann to confess to his crimes but the suspected killer’s instead complained about jail conditions

www.the-independent.com

Really?!!!! He's a fine one to talk. I'm sure it was to get back into the media. IT WORKED!!! IDIOTS!!! The last victim from 1994 that was identified in the last 2-3 months he denied. Very sad too. The woman was from the area. He gave LE 2 names he thought was her first name during the investigation when he was caught. Not even close. But with identification you deny it.

 

[Mel70]

The sketch they show here. I definitely see the resemblance. His face and head are just bigger. Shrek. And I have a hard time seeing a sketch look like a suspect.

 

[Tresir]

The sketch they show here. I definitely see the resemblance. His face and head are just bigger. Shrek. And I have a hard time seeing a sketch look like a suspect.

Yes the cheek depression is similar. However this was nearly 30 years ago so it should really be compared to his wedding photo or earlier photos of him. I don't really know why they are comparing it to his current mugshot.

 

[GrandmaBear]

The highway incidents were early '96, around the time Vergata went to his house. So his mum had already moved out to Palmyra by then. Also, the 23 women who he attempted to pull over would never have seen his height as he was in his car. The ones he took to use a phone would know his height maybe.

Maybe they are going ahead with these 3/4 and to get him convicted. Then maybe they hope he will confess in prison due to this big ego that serial killers seem to have.

So they claim or think he may have been practicing, however, he was already doing the escort thing and murders and had his MO... Doesn't seem to fit but who knows. I'm not one to say he couldn't have been doing different things in different areas... I think when they think SKs can't change it up, they are closing out cases they maybe shouldn't...

 

[GrandmaBear]

The highway incidents were early '96, around the time Vergata went to his house. So his mum had already moved out to Palmyra by then. Also, the 23 women who he attempted to pull over would never have seen his height as he was in his car. The ones he took to use a phone would know his height maybe.

Maybe they are going ahead with these 3/4 and to get him convicted. Then maybe they hope he will confess in prison due to this big ego that serial killers seem to have.

Yeah, some rode with him and certainly would have seen his size so that's odd no one mentioned it. Imo. I agree with emu on that one.