Who is the LONG ISLAND SERIAL KILLER? *ARREST JULY 2023*

Who is the Long Island serial killer? This is a general discussion thread about this terrifying case.

Who is the Long Island Serial Killer?

The Long Island serial killer (also referred to as LISK, the Gilgo Beach Killer or the Craigslist Ripper) is an unidentified suspected serial killer who is believed to have murdered 10 to 16 people over a period of nearly 20 years.

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[Tresir]

Neither of which would be in '96 or thereabouts or whatever it was right?

His first marriage photo is probably closest to '96. Now if we had a photo of his and Asa's marriage, that would likely be close to the time, or pics of him with his daughter as a baby.

 

[Tresir]

Oh boy what the heck is going on. Bitroff is due in SUFFOLK County Court tomorrow from PRISON. I gather he also was to have a hearing in November that was unreported on and BOTH hearings seem to be flying under the radar and news has not picked up on (go figure). This is a must listen. Imo. Not long. Something is up. Bitroff was looked at for the LISK murders. He also is in prison for two murders and is not SK status as he only is convicted of two BUT his going to court under the statute they are is meaningful. Also, Bitroffs victims it was said had DNA from more than one person, multiple even or suspected victims, forget if all or the ones he was convicted of...

All I have to say is whoa boy... I don't think this is a nothingburger....

Oh and as a sad add/aside to the Bitroff stuff in this video is the politiics going on in Suffolk and dirty sh*t yet again. Can we even TRUST the DA and people in this system? Or should i say STILL going on.

VERY interested in everyone's take on this Bitroff bit... He won't go down the rabbit hole outright of what he thinks it means, he stays away from that kind of speculation, but you can read between the lines.

Ok only about half way thru as my phone is playing up but it looks to me like they could have additional DNA on the victims which could mean the conviction was unsafe. Is that what you are getting from this?
They have possibly had this additional prior unidentified DNA since day 1, but may have only recently been able to identify it, which could be the reason for this quiet court appearance.

I am now going to read the comments on the video to see if I am on the right track.

ETA He has put a note on the comments that the case this morning has been vacated due to the defence not receiving everything, so I don't think it is going ahead for now, dang it.

Someone commented perhaps a wife's hair was found on the victim LOL.

I noticed he has a you tube on the route 29 killer too that I am going to watch.

 

[GrandmaBear]

The reason I think LE are behind the release of the letter is because it is CB's letter that was released. Who would have access to that? Only the prison, and the recipient right?

It is weird for sure.

I thought you meant LE was behind Hap writing CB to begin with/putting him up to it? That's what I was talking of. And no, Hap could have released the response he got for one. Curious no doubt but almost all in the outside perimeter of this case is something I have to wonder about. The video I watched last night which also touched on again more infighting and corruption in Suffolk doesn't help.

But the correspondence was first referred to as I recall it with copies of the letters of neither, just talked of, known of somehow. Hap's letter/s was said he tried to convince him to confess which had many thinking LE put him up to such an attempt is the way I took some articles.

It IS funny because like much in again the perimeter stuff correspondence was referred to before we ever got a copy or proof of even CB's letter.

And I don't know, release could be due to some leak, prison official on Hap's end. I agree that it would SEEM in a case of this magnitude it would go to LE before it every went out of Suffolk but who knows.

IF it is LE I'm not sure it is such a smart move. I mean Tierney is keeping the case pretty close to the vest and this seems a bit of a salacious leak for his overboard stiff style who wasn't I don't think happy about Ray and the Commish.

I don['t want to have you waste your time but I highly suggest watching the video I posted. Lot of political b.s. going on in Suffolk. And something going on re Bitroff as welll.

Maybe who knows someone here also wants to write a book/reap rewards like the Clerk in Murdaugh, maybe just some prison guard or official.

Half kidding.

Yeah, the obvious answer would be LE with CB's letter or investigators but I wouldn't count on it.

 

[GrandmaBear]

His first marriage photo is probably closest to '96. Now if we had a photo of his and Asa's marriage, that would likely be close to the time, or pics of him with his daughter as a baby.

That's the one or one of the ones I would like to see. I'd like to see Asa at the time too. They clearly aren't social media buffs as far as going back and putting up photos, her either, or once internet became big and sm she'd have posted a bunch of such things like on their anniversary, etc. And in that case, they would have been gotten a hold of. Likewise if their wedding pic was ever in a newspaper or an engagement. Never apparently was coming from some NY architect with a long rooted LI all the way to grandpa history. I'd like to see her then too, to see what she looked like before her years with CB.

Of course if you are swingers maybe it isn't quite your thing to put tying the knot pics in the area paper. Sarcasm/

I thought his fir marriage was pre these kilings (known killings) and isn't Vergata and this VA stuff you are looking at closer to when he and Asa were first togehter/married, '96ish etc.? Not that he was divorced long if I recall before then being with Asa. Sorry, sitting here in the dark, hardly awake and not with it facing another long day. and trying to catch up a bit.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Ok only about half way thru as my phone is playing up but it looks to me like they could have additional DNA on the victims which could mean the conviction was unsafe. Is that what you are getting from this?
They have possibly had this additional prior unidentified DNA since day 1, but may have only recently been able to identify it, which could be the reason for this quiet court appearance.

I am now going to read the comments on the video to see if I am on the right track.

ETA He has put a note on the comments that the case this morning has been vacated due to the defence not receiving everything, so I don't think it is going ahead for now, dang it.

Someone commented perhaps a wife's hair was found on the victim LOL.

I noticed he has a you tube on the route 29 killer too that I am going to watch.

He is worth subscribing to/keeping on your interest list. His YT channel is fairly new but he is NY LE and has connections and had all the players on as to Ray, the police commish, etc. I'd also say he seems to be on the right side of the coin as it pertains to the dirty stuff going on in the county.

Yes, what you are getting is one main thought I have but it also took me to the group thing in my head at least...Or even a connection thing of these men and the crimes whether their "thing' or to confuse an investigation. I may be reaching on that but did that cross your mind at all?

I didn't get to look at or read comments much....

I do agree his hearings are likely due to new evidence and trying to reverse things for him.

Even last night Joe said today's hearing had an "adjourn" note in it which would mean or hint it would not take place but that's also curious and there was supposedly an unnoticed November one that was adjourned as well that press never caught up with. Press is worthless these days honestly imo.

But what is keeping this on the down low...

So due to defense not getting all, I didn't pick up on that.... Soo....

Of course I think the desired hearings are due to I'm sure his defense raising claims about DNA/new evidence? That's how I guessed it. BUT the stuff in general has me thinking of sex workers, DNA from more than one party and some other things.

The most likely scenario is there is now another contributor, CB, in this man's murder conviction

I was tired, the video was out of the blue, am I reading it wrong? I think the guts of it have to do with there is new evidence or there should have been evidence to make a; difff in his prosecution or convictions that would have changed things if I was following it right. And they are looking for a dismissal. That sounds like the wrong term to me as he is already; convicted but I'm no attorney but even so yes, that seems like the gist of it. My mind on its own goes towards what more than one man's DNA might mean even though that could be due to just being a sex worker. I never caught it said that his victims were sex workers either so I have to assume that so I'm assuming that based on a few things.

Anyhow, now that it has been NOTICED and called out, more news will maybe come on what is going on.

And yes the obvious answer is CB's DNA came into play OR even he has a souvenir relating to this man's alleged victims but my mind goes elsewhere as to other possibilities as to why more than one DNA and even a mixture.

But yeah the obvious answer is they are saying or claiming CB's DNA or some such or other proof is present is I think the obvious conclusion isn't it? Again I was tired and could have been reading it wrong but that seems to be what you get from it too.

And that this has been flying under the radar somehow. Hopefully now more will come to light.

The man was a carpenter wasn't he...

 

[Tresir]

He is worth subscribing to/keeping on your interest list. His YT channel is fairly new but he is NY LE and has connections and had all the players on as to Ray, the police commish, etc. I'd also say he seems to be on the right side of the coin as it pertains to the dirty stuff going on in the county.

Yes, what you are getting is one main thought I have but it also took me to the group thing in my head at least...Or even a connection thing of these men and the crimes whether their "thing' or to confuse an investigation. I may be reaching on that but did that cross your mind at all?

I didn't get to look at or read comments much....

I do agree his hearings are likely due to new evidence and trying to reverse things for him.

Even last night Joe said today's hearing had an "adjourn" note in it which would mean or hint it would not take place but that's also curious and there was supposedly an unnoticed November one that was adjourned as well that press never caught up with. Press is worthless these days honestly imo.

But what is keeping this on the down low...

So due to defense not getting all, I didn't pick up on that.... Soo....

Of course I think the desired hearings are due to I'm sure his defense raising claims about DNA/new evidence? That's how I guessed it. BUT the stuff in general has me thinking of sex workers, DNA from more than one party and some other things.

The most likely scenario is there is now another contributor, CB, in this man's murder conviction

I was tired, the video was out of the blue, am I reading it wrong? I think the guts of it have to do with there is new evidence or there should have been evidence to make a; difff in his prosecution or convictions that would have changed things if I was following it right. And they are looking for a dismissal. That sounds like the wrong term to me as he is already; convicted but I'm no attorney but even so yes, that seems like the gist of it. My mind on its own goes towards what more than one man's DNA might mean even though that could be due to just being a sex worker. I never caught it said that his victims were sex workers either so I have to assume that so I'm assuming that based on a few things.

Anyhow, now that it has been NOTICED and called out, more news will maybe come on what is going on.

And yes the obvious answer is CB's DNA came into play OR even he has a souvenir relating to this man's alleged victims but my mind goes elsewhere as to other possibilities as to why more than one DNA and even a mixture.

But yeah the obvious answer is they are saying or claiming CB's DNA or some such or other proof is present is I think the obvious conclusion isn't it? Again I was tired and could have been reading it wrong but that seems to be what you get from it too.

And that this has been flying under the radar somehow. Hopefully now more will come to light.

The man was a carpenter wasn't he...

The half I managed to watch appeared to be suggesting that other DNA was on the victim probably from another client but unidentified at the time. I think if that other client's DNA turned out to be a serial killer, then Bittrolff's defence could say the other client killed them and his DNA was left prior to that other client's.

They only caught Bitrolff by a link from his brother's DNA for some conviction that he had.

It is interesting for sure so we will have to see if the court reschedule.

 

[Tresir]

Info on Bittrolff. The bit I copied is very interesting.

John Bittrolff (American Murderer) ~ Bio with [ Photos | Videos ]

John Bittrolff (born July 1, 1966) is a convicted American murderer and a suspect in the Long Island Serial Killer case. In July 2014 he was charged with the murders of Rita Tangredi and Colleen McNamee he is also a suspect in the Murder of a third woman, Sandra Costilla. Bittrolff became a suspect

alchetron.com

"Another link between Bittrolff and the Long Island Serial Killer case became apparent when it was revealed that the grown daughter of Rita Tangredi, one of the women that Bittrolff was convicted of killing, was reportedly "best friends" with Melissa Barthelemy, who was one of the first LISK victims discovered strangled and wrapped in burlap at Gilgo Beach. Barthelemy's mother also reported that Melissa "had a lot of calls to Manorville from her phone" at the time."

 

[Tresir]

He is worth subscribing to/keeping on your interest list. His YT channel is fairly new but he is NY LE and has connections and had all the players on as to Ray, the police commish, etc. I'd also say he seems to be on the right side of the coin as it pertains to the dirty stuff going on in the county.

Yes, what you are getting is one main thought I have but it also took me to the group thing in my head at least...Or even a connection thing of these men and the crimes whether their "thing' or to confuse an investigation. I may be reaching on that but did that cross your mind at all?

I didn't get to look at or read comments much....

I do agree his hearings are likely due to new evidence and trying to reverse things for him.

Even last night Joe said today's hearing had an "adjourn" note in it which would mean or hint it would not take place but that's also curious and there was supposedly an unnoticed November one that was adjourned as well that press never caught up with. Press is worthless these days honestly imo.

But what is keeping this on the down low...

So due to defense not getting all, I didn't pick up on that.... Soo....

Of course I think the desired hearings are due to I'm sure his defense raising claims about DNA/new evidence? That's how I guessed it. BUT the stuff in general has me thinking of sex workers, DNA from more than one party and some other things.

The most likely scenario is there is now another contributor, CB, in this man's murder conviction

I was tired, the video was out of the blue, am I reading it wrong? I think the guts of it have to do with there is new evidence or there should have been evidence to make a; difff in his prosecution or convictions that would have changed things if I was following it right. And they are looking for a dismissal. That sounds like the wrong term to me as he is already; convicted but I'm no attorney but even so yes, that seems like the gist of it. My mind on its own goes towards what more than one man's DNA might mean even though that could be due to just being a sex worker. I never caught it said that his victims were sex workers either so I have to assume that so I'm assuming that based on a few things.

Anyhow, now that it has been NOTICED and called out, more news will maybe come on what is going on.

And yes the obvious answer is CB's DNA came into play OR even he has a souvenir relating to this man's alleged victims but my mind goes elsewhere as to other possibilities as to why more than one DNA and even a mixture.

But yeah the obvious answer is they are saying or claiming CB's DNA or some such or other proof is present is I think the obvious conclusion isn't it? Again I was tired and could have been reading it wrong but that seems to be what you get from it too.

And that this has been flying under the radar somehow. Hopefully now more will come to light.

The man was a carpenter wasn't he...

Yeah I think you have the gist right. It clearly needs reviewing if there was more than just his DNA on the victims. The two victims he was convicted for disappeared in late '93 and early '94 so if it was CB then they fall before Karen Vergata and Alicia (Route 29) I think, so they could be CB's first victims.

 

[Tresir]

Here is True Crime with the Sarge talking about the Alicia Reynolds Route 29 case. He covers most of the points and says that the VA and Suffolk police are cooperating. He stated he thought the Feds could take over the case as parts of Route 29 are federal jurisdiction, so that is interesting. Anyway, the relatives are getting more exposure so hoping it can be solved.

 

[Tresir]

 

[GrandmaBear]

The half I managed to watch appeared to be suggesting that other DNA was on the victim probably from another client but unidentified at the time. I think if that other client's DNA turned out to be a serial killer, then Bittrolff's defence could say the other client killed them and his DNA was left prior to that other client's.

They only caught Bitrolff by a link from his brother's DNA for some conviction that he had.

It is interesting for sure so we will have to see if the court reschedule.

Did you ever manage the other half?

It seems we are talking DNA from s*x is what is inferred, of course we can't know for a fact. Were the ones Bitroof was convicted of sex workers? I believe so, unsure but he was looked at for LISK etc. so assuming he was a patron of sex workers.

He does mention in his show of course it is a problem with DNA from multiple sources and one can't know whose was left first, last or when.

I have to wonder how they nailed Bitroff is it was known there was all this other DNA. I'm not saying he didn't do it isn't bad, I have no idea, I would assume they had enough other evidence to get him on the two they did...? They traced him through a genealogy route, did they try to source and find the sources of all the DNA?

This idea of multiple donors of DNA isn't like on the record I don't think is it or is it? It would seem though to confirm it with recent moves on Bitroff's behalf.

Again, I don't know enough but I guess there is a possibility his DNA is blood or something as well and the others were just what one would expect, sorry, but if they were sex workers. i don't know any details on his cases or convictions, maybe they had also weapon, motive, whereabouts or some such.

IF Bitrolff and his defense knew there was other men's DNA why didn't they make a stink as was made in for instance Morphew and others? Or DID they and a judge disallowed it? Did they deman testing, etc.?

This all brings a lot of questions. I don't of course have time to go look into Bitroff's charges, trials or convictions but he wasn't newly heard of to me. He's come up before in LISK AND I think Rex's or maybe Asa's atty even talked of him and former suspects...

You know there is also the thing and rumors and more about the swinging, the groups of men even at parties that comes to mind... There is also what has always been put out as two serial killers as far as all of the LI victims and locations, etc... I'm not going to take it down any of these roads right now but they both could be guilty in a few various scenarios...

 

[GrandmaBear]

Info on Bittrolff. The bit I copied is very interesting.

John Bittrolff (American Murderer) ~ Bio with [ Photos | Videos ]

John Bittrolff (born July 1, 1966) is a convicted American murderer and a suspect in the Long Island Serial Killer case. In July 2014 he was charged with the murders of Rita Tangredi and Colleen McNamee he is also a suspect in the Murder of a third woman, Sandra Costilla. Bittrolff became a suspect

alchetron.com

"Another link between Bittrolff and the Long Island Serial Killer case became apparent when it was revealed that the grown daughter of Rita Tangredi, one of the women that Bittrolff was convicted of killing, was reportedly "best friends" with Melissa Barthelemy, who was one of the first LISK victims discovered strangled and wrapped in burlap at Gilgo Beach. Barthelemy's mother also reported that Melissa "had a lot of calls to Manorville from her phone" at the time."

I wish to heck I had time to read links and look into this in more depth. I am going to have to rely on trusted podcasters, reading here, etc. on what others find. NO TIME. How were the two victims of Bitroff (IF his victims) that he was convicted of, left or disposed of,, how, where, etc.? No burlap I assume.

I think both he and CB if I recall though fit some things about location and use of and knowing these sex workers. It may be unusual Melissa and Rita were friends but maybe not.

I am keeping in mind the carpenter thing as this evolves. Maybe no meaning. Maybe is.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Here is True Crime with the Sarge talking about the Alicia Reynolds Route 29 case. He covers most of the points and says that the VA and Suffolk police are cooperating. He stated he thought the Feds could take over the case as parts of Route 29 are federal jurisdiction, so that is interesting. Anyway, the relatives are getting more exposure so hoping it can be solved.

I'm glad to see you are giving videos some chance because I get it, I used to be all about print, but it just does not cover what some of GOOD videos do, not all are good of course, etc. or all podcasters, etc. I don't have time to watch this but did want to take a moment to say that. I remember when I thought YT was just some place teens posted things and maybe a few people with how to fix something. I will never catch up as far as finding or watching things like Tik Tok, etc. never have checked it out and likely never will at my age BUT I never thought I'd watch videos or do YT either. Never say never. Lol.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I had this thought today. HOW would there be new evidence relating to like CB? I mean how would that work? There is an ongoing investigation with CB and his victims and charges aren't Bitroff's victims, his are the Gilgo four. Do they get just any results given to them from some totally unrelated case/cases? That doesn't make sense to me. If it isn't public and is ongoing how would they know of any evidence or results that none of us know about and why and how would it relate to HIS victims?

I DOUBT they were testing for the victims of a convicted murderer so did they get it into the database and it hit on Bitroff's victims he was convicted for and so they HAD to inform them? I know they changed a NY DNA law not long ago... I think I posted about it in fact. As to CODIS or at least their own states data bank or some such. But wouldn't that mean all of the unknown DNA from Bitroff's victims had to be in there to make a hit?

I'm probably not wording it right to explain what I mean but I just don't get how THEY have new evidence in his case and HOW any came about? Or did they learn of evidence just now not formerly provided to them? And HOW? Surely they are not privy to findings in an all together different investigation and case?

So a motion to vacate his sentence based on evidence not presented at his trial. Was the evidence talked of available then and should have been and they did not know about multiple donors or did it just come about? Or did they try to get it argued or in back then and were refused? I'm thinking not as this is like new NOW and seems to be found out NOW. I guess we don't even KNOW that it is DNA, it could have been souvenirs or something found in CB's home but then again, how is it they know of such results of THIS investigation? If that's the case?

Not sure if I made this clear enough (clear as mud) that anyone realizes what I am trying to say. I do NOT get how they could have evidence from THIS case unless something was found I guess is what I am saying that directly relates to Bitroff's case and they HAD to provide it to them right? Because it DIRECTLY relates or there'd be no reason at all they'd be providing them with evidence from this case that no one is aware of outside of investigators?

Maybe that puts it more clearly. Lol hopefully. It HAS to be something big related to HIS two victims doesn't it? Or it wouldn't be new evidence for THEM. IF it even relates to this case of course, but very doubtful it is a coincidence the timing and the fact he was looked at in the LISK thing.

A bit of a side not/entirely different subject e is that another reason to watch all of that video IS the talk of dirty politics etc. going on again or maybe yet in Suffolk County. So we also have to worry again that this is somewhere that politics seem to trump justice as it always has in this case and Shannon's and all of them and even almost destroyed such. For one the other side is after Harrison for his charging time in his job or some such for pay that is being investigated. The podcaster said this matter went to the hands of Tierney and it should not be in his hands, it should be with internal affairs. So a witch hunt, true or not true who is to say as t whether there is any true basis even behind it. This sh*t isn't funny, the two TOP people having to had worked together in this or supposed to have. I don't even know which is on which side of any political coin but I do know which one created the task force. And THAT is what matters in the cases and POLITICS should not be part of justice. We finally get this case somewhere and then comes that b.s. again. He remarks on that and more as to the dirty ongoing politics in this county.

 

[Tresir]

I wish to heck I had time to read links and look into this in more depth. I am going to have to rely on trusted podcasters, reading here, etc. on what others find. NO TIME. How were the two victims of Bitroff (IF his victims) that he was convicted of, left or disposed of,, how, where, etc.? No burlap I assume.

I think both he and CB if I recall though fit some things about location and use of and knowing these sex workers. It may be unusual Melissa and Rita were friends but maybe not.

I am keeping in mind the carpenter thing as this evolves. Maybe no meaning. Maybe is.

I will have to check again but I remember one of them was covered in wood chippings in a forest. CB is also into carpentry, I believe.

 

[Tresir]

I had this thought today. HOW would there be new evidence relating to like CB? I mean how would that work? There is an ongoing investigation with CB and his victims and charges aren't Bitroff's victims, his are the Gilgo four. Do they get just any results given to them from some totally unrelated case/cases? That doesn't make sense to me. If it isn't public and is ongoing how would they know of any evidence or results that none of us know about and why and how would it relate to HIS victims?

I DOUBT they were testing for the victims of a convicted murderer so did they get it into the database and it hit on Bitroff's victims he was convicted for and so they HAD to inform them? I know they changed a NY DNA law not long ago... I think I posted about it in fact. As to CODIS or at least their own states data bank or some such. But wouldn't that mean all of the unknown DNA from Bitroff's victims had to be in there to make a hit?

I'm probably not wording it right to explain what I mean but I just don't get how THEY have new evidence in his case and HOW any came about? Or did they learn of evidence just now not formerly provided to them? And HOW? Surely they are not privy to findings in an all together different investigation and case?

So a motion to vacate his sentence based on evidence not presented at his trial. Was the evidence talked of available then and should have been and they did not know about multiple donors or did it just come about? Or did they try to get it argued or in back then and were refused? I'm thinking not as this is like new NOW and seems to be found out NOW. I guess we don't even KNOW that it is DNA, it could have been souvenirs or something found in CB's home but then again, how is it they know of such results of THIS investigation? If that's the case?

Not sure if I made this clear enough (clear as mud) that anyone realizes what I am trying to say. I do NOT get how they could have evidence from THIS case unless something was found I guess is what I am saying that directly relates to Bitroff's case and they HAD to provide it to them right? Because it DIRECTLY relates or there'd be no reason at all they'd be providing them with evidence from this case that no one is aware of outside of investigators?

Maybe that puts it more clearly. Lol hopefully. It HAS to be something big related to HIS two victims doesn't it? Or it wouldn't be new evidence for THEM. IF it even relates to this case of course, but very doubtful it is a coincidence the timing and the fact he was looked at in the LISK thing.

A bit of a side not/entirely different subject e is that another reason to watch all of that video IS the talk of dirty politics etc. going on again or maybe yet in Suffolk County. So we also have to worry again that this is somewhere that politics seem to trump justice as it always has in this case and Shannon's and all of them and even almost destroyed such. For one the other side is after Harrison for his charging time in his job or some such for pay that is being investigated. The podcaster said this matter went to the hands of Tierney and it should not be in his hands, it should be with internal affairs. So a witch hunt, true or not true who is to say as t whether there is any true basis even behind it. This sh*t isn't funny, the two TOP people having to had worked together in this or supposed to have. I don't even know which is on which side of any political coin but I do know which one created the task force. And THAT is what matters in the cases and POLITICS should not be part of justice. We finally get this case somewhere and then comes that b.s. again. He remarks on that and more as to the dirty ongoing politics in this county.

This is what I think. I think there could be both Bittrolff DNA and other unidentified DNA on the victims from another client. Maybe prosecution did not reveal that other DNA. That other client could potentially be CB but they cannot use CB's DNA because it is not in any database yet as he has not been convicted. Are LE allowed to use the DNA that they took from CB to check it against all other cases including Bittrolff victims? If CB's DNA is found on Bittrolff's victims, could it clear Bittrolff?

This is what I think might be happening here. CB was only arrested in July and so the attorneys for Bittrolff have been following closely.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I will have to check again but I remember one of them was covered in wood chippings in a forest. CB is also into carpentry, I believe.

Yeah that's why I keep mentioning the carpenter part, the similarities of these men...

 

[GrandmaBear]

I will have to check again but I remember one of them was covered in wood chippings in a forest. CB is also into carpentry, I believe.

Wood chippings and forest. Did he haul some with him... Have her in a pickup bed under such...

 

[GrandmaBear]

This is what I think. I think there could be both Bittrolff DNA and other unidentified DNA on the victims from another client. Maybe prosecution did not reveal that other DNA. That other client could potentially be CB but they cannot use CB's DNA because it is not in any database yet as he has not been convicted. Are LE allowed to use the DNA that they took from CB to check it against all other cases including Bittrolff victims? If CB's DNA is found on Bittrolff's victims, could it clear Bittrolff?

This is what I think might be happening here. CB was only arrested in July and so the attorneys for Bittrolff have been following closely.

I'm not sure on any of that but possibly.

But NY recently changed some law and it was done for one reason to be able to use the DNA at least in their own state database or something I think. So I'm not sure CB's DNA is not available but maybe of course it is only an LE user base, I have no idea. But keep that in mind. I don't recall the particulars but I did share about it here some weeks ago.

I also don't know that the fact other's DNA was present was not known by Bitroff and his defense. It seemed to be known of by Joe, the podcaster of the video I posted or I thiink he said it's long been rumored or known... I also don't think LE in CB's case would go to compare his DNA to victims that Bitroff was already convicted of. So I just don't know how this would have come about exactly. And there IS NO new evidence relating to this for Bitroff unless he knows CB was a hit on the unknown men's DNA.

I don't think CB's DNA being present exonerates Bitroff or vice versa but I do know only certain reasons get you a new trial and one is new evidence. I wonder how it is defense can get a new hearing scheduled but it keeps getting adjourned...

This may have only happened in July but IF this relates to CB, there almost has to be a DNA hit no? They can't try to go vacate his sentence with a theory. I almost think it has to be a database hit and that the DNA of the other clients was in the database... And when there was a hit, they HAD to tell Bitroff and his defense. And that would mean the DNA was being run at least ini NY...

 

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I'm not sure on any of that but possibly.

But NY recently changed some law and it was done for one reason to be able to use the DNA at least in their own state database or something I think. So I'm not sure CB's DNA is not available but maybe of course it is only an LE user base, I have no idea. But keep that in mind. I don't recall the particulars but I did share about it here some weeks ago.

I also don't know that the fact other's DNA was present was not known by Bitroff and his defense. It seemed to be known of by Joe, the podcaster of the video I posted or I thiink he said it's long been rumored or known... I also don't think LE in CB's case would go to compare his DNA to victims that Bitroff was already convicted of. So I just don't know how this would have come about exactly. And there IS NO new evidence relating to this for Bitroff unless he knows CB was a hit on the unknown men's DNA.

I don't think CB's DNA being present exonerates Bitroff or vice versa but I do know only certain reasons get you a new trial and one is new evidence. I wonder how it is defense can get a new hearing scheduled but it keeps getting adjourned...

This may have only happened in July but IF this relates to CB, there almost has to be a DNA hit no? They can't try to go vacate his sentence with a theory. I almost think it has to be a database hit and that the DNA of the other clients was in the database... And when there was a hit, they HAD to tell Bitroff and his defense. And that would mean the DNA was being run at least ini NY...

That's basically what I think but we will have to wait unless anything leaks via journalists or podcasters.