Who is the LONG ISLAND SERIAL KILLER? *ARREST JULY 2023*

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Who is the Long Island serial killer? This is a general discussion thread about this terrifying case.


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Oh BOY. Now I know why they are having him on their show. It is already out on Gi+alcone's show so of course then l and POC are running with it. I'm no done with this but this is a MUST listen, take my word for it please. LISTEN to the first 20 minutes for a WOW NEW affidavit. This woman claims to have told MANY people about it t the time too I don't douiiit there are others but I have to finish watching it to know.

@Tresir @Cousin Dupree .EVERYONE take a listen.


She seems sure it was him doesn't she? She had a lucky escape.
 
I watched the video with the NY guys speaking with Ray and got fed up the way that first guy would not listen to him and kept cutting him off so I didn't watch it all. Why have someone on a show and keep interrupting them?

I looked for the latest news on CB and it seems he is sad, depressed and lonely in prison. Well FFS what a shame I bet he gets stupid women writing to him now.

Anyway, it sounds like a similar defence to the Delphi killer. The "poor me SODDI defence" we can call it. Asa wasn't in court this time. I guess she is laying low.


From the link above -

"Gilgo Beach serial killer suspect Rex Heuermann is feeling “lonely and depressed” behind bars at a Long Island jail, his lawyer told a court on Tuesday.
Mr Heuermann, 60, appeared in Suffolk County Courthouse in Riverhead, New York, wearing a black suit, white shirt and blue tie, with his hands cuffed behind his back.
The Manhattan architect turned suspected serial killer has been held without bail ever since his 13 July arrest for the infamous Gilgo Beach murders – and has been placed in isolation for his own protection.
At the hearing, his lawyer Michael Brown told the judge that this had left the accused killer “feeling lonely and depressed”. He added that Mr Heuermann is receiving counseling.
The hearing, which was held to give State Supreme Court Justice Timothy Mazzei an update on the case, was Mr Heuermann’s first court appearance since his indictment for the murder of a fourth woman."

"At Tuesday’s hearing, prosecutors turned over a trove of documents related to the case, including nearly 3,000 police tips, to the defence.
“The leads are important,” Mr Brown told reporters about the documents after the hearing, according to Newsday.
“I think you heard the government this morning say there’s somewhere close to 3,000 leads in this case. Obviously some of those leads aren’t going to be significant at all. But some of those leads are going to be extremely significant. And they’re going to be important for us in the defence of this case. So we want to see those leads and we want to see the credibility of those leads and we want to see what follow-up the police department did in regard to those leads.”

"According to discovery he has reviewed so far, Mr Brown said that there were “significant” leads provided to police and claimed that, in at least one instance, police were close to charging another suspect.
“We were informed, among other individuals, that there was another individual that the prior district attorney of this county was prepared to charge with these crimes,” Mr Brown said.
“We haven’t received any of that documentation. We expect that it will be forthcoming, but that’s very important, extremely important to this case.”
The lawyer also said Mr Heuermann has been reviewing discovery in the jail.
“The sheriff has been great; they’ve been permitting him to review the discovery,” Mr Brown said, but added that he is suffering from being in isolation.
“He’s in this isolation situation … and I understand it, it’s for his own safety. You obviously don’t want someone in the jail trying to get their 15 minutes of fame, so that’s why he’s being isolated. But at the same time, he’s not getting any social interaction with anybody else other than a correction officer.”
Asa Ellerup, Mr Heuermann’s estranged wife, was not in court for Tuesday’s hearing as she had been in the past. Justice Mazzei set Mr Heuermann’s next court date for 17 April.
Mr Heuermann has pleaded not guilty to the murders of all four women, together known as the “Gilgo Four”, who all worked as sex workers and disappeared after going to meet a client.
Their bodies were found in December 2010 within one-quarter mile of each other, bound by belts or tape and some wrapped in burlap – all dumped along Gilgo Beach.
In total, the remains of 11 victims were found along the shores of Long Island in 2010 and 2011, sparking fears of one or more serial killers. "

<p>Mr Heuermann has pleaded not guilty to charges in the murders of all four women, known as the ‘Gilgo Four’ </p>
 
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Apparently they won't be able to use his DNA to match up with other cases until he is convicted. That video I don't remember posting explains that in the comments. The comments are very interesting and the video poster answers a lot of questions. I read the comments but haven't watched the video yet. I see that I posted it very early this morning which is probably why I don't remember - I had a lot on my mind today. Anyway, 27 years ago in '96 he would have been recently divorced and maybe just meeting up with AE right ? In fact, 14 Feb '96 was Karen Vergata meeting up with Rex and AE in their home right, according to Ray's witness? Alicia was abducted from Route 29 on 2nd March '96 and a woman witness was forced to pull over a week prior to that apoarently and was threatened with a screwdriver but got away. If it was him, that is three victims in 3 weeks and one is still alive and could maybe ID him because she got away from him.
In fact the 23 women who came forward mentioned that someone tried to get them to pull over between Feb and March '96 so the same timeframe again.
I am bringing forward one of my posts from December when we were discussing Alicia in the Route 29 case. Alicia was only 2 weeks after Karen. I did several posts about it.

I am not sure that is correct that they can't use his DNA to match up with other cases is it?
 
I am bringing forward one of my posts from December when we were discussing Alicia in the Route 29 case. Alicia was only 2 weeks after Karen. I did several posts about it.

I am not sure that is correct that they can't use his DNA to match up with other cases is it?

I don't see why they couldn't run it through a DNA database.
 
This video has just come out. It is putting everything together laying it all out. 57 minutes long. I have watched up to 17 minutes so far and it is just at the point of a connection between Burke and CB. Very interesting and only a third of the way thru so far.

 
Yes she was unprofessional and very annoying cutting her off but did you catch the witness' name who was talking? I don't remember her being introduced, either. The woman must be quite old now, at least 50, as Karen disappeared 30 years ago.
Renee Paulino. Said it in the beginning. Not sure If I have spelling right but pronunciation is.

Hard to guess age but yes, not young. None would be these days. CB is the age or thereabouts of myself and emu. 59 to 61 give or take. She of course could be younger or older but likely in that range a least.
 
Yes she was unprofessional and very annoying cutting her off but did you catch the witness' name who was talking? I don't remember her being introduced, either. The woman must be quite old now, at least 50, as Karen disappeared 30 years ago.
And yeah she came across as honest to me, I believe she was at their house whether it was Karen or not and it likely was. Ashley should have let her talk a time or two. I'm not a huge News Nation fan, they get things but they also get ridiculous at time. Ashley was going on recently about lawsuits that would come about in the KC 3 fans and it isn't even known yet who got the drugs, etc. On the flip side MSM hardly covers crime so we have to take it or leave it...
 
She seems sure it was him doesn't she? She had a lucky escape.
She seems very certain and I can almost imagine being in her shoes the way she describes it. I have times in this case I think of him doing something on the order of a hunt of a victim for a few reasons.... Stalking, hunting... This adds to that for me...

Her description is very apt towards thinking such. The story of (if it was) Karen Vergata running around outside the house and being chased (if true) also sounds like such AND her partner called it a game...

LE says unrelated but that is part of what I think went on with Shannon Gilbert...

Even CB's going back to the same person, sorry, I forget the name right now, the one who played the pay game on him with her bf, and who he went back to after being chased off, and the way he called families after and so on all sounds like stalking, hunting.

Also many serial killers do such...

Just a lot of reasons I can't think of right now.

The burlap, the hunting... This woman says he was hidden, crouching, watching... Moved nearer to her behind another tree or whatever.

She was VERY LUCKY she went with flight and not fight. Imo. Whether it was him or someone else...
 
I watched the video with the NY guys speaking with Ray and got fed up the way that first guy would not listen to him and kept cutting him off so I didn't watch it all. Why have someone on a show and keep interrupting them?

I looked for the latest news on CB and it seems he is sad, depressed and lonely in prison. Well FFS what a shame I bet he gets stupid women writing to him now.

Anyway, it sounds like a similar defence to the Delphi killer. The "poor me SODDI defence" we can call it. Asa wasn't in court this time. I guess she is laying low.


From the link above -

"Gilgo Beach serial killer suspect Rex Heuermann is feeling “lonely and depressed” behind bars at a Long Island jail, his lawyer told a court on Tuesday.
Mr Heuermann, 60, appeared in Suffolk County Courthouse in Riverhead, New York, wearing a black suit, white shirt and blue tie, with his hands cuffed behind his back.
The Manhattan architect turned suspected serial killer has been held without bail ever since his 13 July arrest for the infamous Gilgo Beach murders – and has been placed in isolation for his own protection.
At the hearing, his lawyer Michael Brown told the judge that this had left the accused killer “feeling lonely and depressed”. He added that Mr Heuermann is receiving counseling.
The hearing, which was held to give State Supreme Court Justice Timothy Mazzei an update on the case, was Mr Heuermann’s first court appearance since his indictment for the murder of a fourth woman."

"At Tuesday’s hearing, prosecutors turned over a trove of documents related to the case, including nearly 3,000 police tips, to the defence.
“The leads are important,” Mr Brown told reporters about the documents after the hearing, according to Newsday.
“I think you heard the government this morning say there’s somewhere close to 3,000 leads in this case. Obviously some of those leads aren’t going to be significant at all. But some of those leads are going to be extremely significant. And they’re going to be important for us in the defence of this case. So we want to see those leads and we want to see the credibility of those leads and we want to see what follow-up the police department did in regard to those leads.”

"According to discovery he has reviewed so far, Mr Brown said that there were “significant” leads provided to police and claimed that, in at least one instance, police were close to charging another suspect.
“We were informed, among other individuals, that there was another individual that the prior district attorney of this county was prepared to charge with these crimes,” Mr Brown said.
“We haven’t received any of that documentation. We expect that it will be forthcoming, but that’s very important, extremely important to this case.”
The lawyer also said Mr Heuermann has been reviewing discovery in the jail.
“The sheriff has been great; they’ve been permitting him to review the discovery,” Mr Brown said, but added that he is suffering from being in isolation.
“He’s in this isolation situation … and I understand it, it’s for his own safety. You obviously don’t want someone in the jail trying to get their 15 minutes of fame, so that’s why he’s being isolated. But at the same time, he’s not getting any social interaction with anybody else other than a correction officer.”
Asa Ellerup, Mr Heuermann’s estranged wife, was not in court for Tuesday’s hearing as she had been in the past. Justice Mazzei set Mr Heuermann’s next court date for 17 April.
Mr Heuermann has pleaded not guilty to the murders of all four women, together known as the “Gilgo Four”, who all worked as sex workers and disappeared after going to meet a client.
Their bodies were found in December 2010 within one-quarter mile of each other, bound by belts or tape and some wrapped in burlap – all dumped along Gilgo Beach.
In total, the remains of 11 victims were found along the shores of Long Island in 2010 and 2011, sparking fears of one or more serial killers. "

<p>Mr Heuermann has pleaded not guilty to charges in the murders of all four women, known as the ‘Gilgo Four’ </p>
I know EXACTLY what you mean. I went in and they were rude, condescending and running all over Ray. I almost left but stuck it out for a bit and people, their own followers, were yelling at them and they FINALLY got decent and let him really talk. So believe me I get why you didn't stick it out, I about didn't but it was worth it to hear Ray when he got to talk.

I said before the show was on when I linked it that I wasn't sure why they were having him as they have dissed him many a time. His dress, his doing it for money, all sorts of sh*t. I do like these guys but they also at times think the public is stupid or they come across that way. Well some are, but not all. They know more of course. Not as bad though as a few I could name I will NOT watch that are so full of themselves it is beyond.

It was worth the full watch to hear Ray when they did let him talk and I think knew from chat and their viewers that their own viewers were p*ssed and done with them if they didn't. I never did go back and watch the beginning which I missed but since when I came in they were all over him, I doubt I missed much difference. The part I cared about hearing was when they finally asked some calm questions and let Ray answer and give his info.
 
I am bringing forward one of my posts from December when we were discussing Alicia in the Route 29 case. Alicia was only 2 weeks after Karen. I did several posts about it.

I am not sure that is correct that they can't use his DNA to match up with other cases is it?
I don't have time to watch all or read but NY has some odd laws with that and one was recently changed due to this very case. News hasn't been great about covering it or explaining it. I do think other states IF interested or thinking he may be their perp can get such and rule in or out but the database is another thing. If I recall correctly they can compare maybe in their own state now (NY) but can't enter into CODIS unless convicted and things like that. I recall but it wasn't easy to understand the times I did hear this and that about it and it wasn't in news articles, it was from like the retired NYPD guys that talked of such rules and laws.

I don't know the specific answer to your question but I know there's a lot of things to it and NY law doesn't help it.
 
This video has just come out. It is putting everything together laying it all out. 57 minutes long. I have watched up to 17 minutes so far and it is just at the point of a connection between Burke and CB. Very interesting and only a third of the way thru so far.



I agree now that there is a good chance that CB is the route killer. Good video, he just repeats the same thing a lot and then follows it with new information. It could have been a half hour video.
 
I haven't watched these guys in awhile but before I nod off am watching this, came across this.

Interesting.

 
How did the victims die? That bit at the end where he talks about the hammer as his favourite tool, was concerning. I know Shannon was strangled but how about the four he has been charged with? Do they have a COD?

Also, he appears to diss his father's career, which was, in part, developing satellites. He really thinks he is someone, doesn't he?
 
Article about Burke's arrest last year. Warning X rated. One of the comments mentions a podcast to watch that has investigated him.


The name of the podcast if anyone else wants to check it out, at your own risk.

Unraveled by Alexis Linkletter and Billy Jensen
 
There is another possible victim in South Carolina. Apparently the FBI are investigating this one. She disappeared in June 2017. Julie Ann Bean.

(see link for more)

"The last sighting of Bean, 36, came in the Red Bay Road area in late May or early June.
Her daughter was one of the last people to see her alive before she vanished.
Last month, Heidi Kovas, a friend of Bean's, told The U.S. Sun that the daughter now believes she spotted her mom in the company of Rex Heuermann during their fateful last encounter.
Heuermann, a 59-year-old New York-based architect, was arrested in July and charged with three murders tied to the Long Island Serial Killer investigation.
'I HAVE CHILLS'
He owns plots of land in Chester County, South Carolina - near his brother, Craig Heuermann - which is roughly a two-hour drive from where Bean was last sighted.
Bean's daughter's apparent revelation occurred after she saw a news report last month involving Heuermann and the Gilgo Beach probe.
In messages sent to Kovas, which have been reviewed by The U.S. Sun, Bean's daughter wrote: "I have chills [...] I've seen him.
"That was the last man I saw her with personally."


"Kovas relayed the account to the Sumter County Sheriff's Office (SCSO) and pleaded with them to investigate Heuermann.
The department is now re-investigating Bean's disappearance but has so far failed to establish any concrete links to the accused serial killer. The FBI has also joined the investigation.
While she eagerly awaits answers, Kovas told The U.S. Sun in an interview late last month that it's a relief to finally see her friend's case being thoroughly investigated after years of being "cast aside."
Kovas said she believed law enforcement saw Bean - who struggled with addiction and had prior criminal offenses - as a "problem" who was otherwise not worthy of their time."
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"Kovas has been campaigning for years to raise awareness about Bean's disappearance in the hope that she will be found alive and well.
During that time, she described Sumter investigators as being unhelpful and at times even hostile in her interactions with them.
Kovas tearfully said: "It hurts [...] they didn't care when she went missing but I hope they start caring now.
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"I don't care what Julie was, I don't care what Julie did. Julie was still a human being. Julie was still a mother. And now she would be a grandmother.
"Where's my friend? Why aren't they getting off their a**es and going to look for her?
"It just makes me angry. She was a human being and she was so sweet."


'TIES TO REX'​

According to Bean's daughter - who couldn't be reached for comment - she last saw her mom on June 1 or June 2, 2017, the night before she was set to graduate from high school.

The mom and daughter made plans to get their nails done together and arrived at a local salon separately.

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Bean's daughter waited for her mom outside and saw her pull into the lot in a dark truck driven by a man she now believes to be Rex Heuermann.

The man in question introduced himself with a different name. Bean's daughter believes he was driving a Chevrolet Avalanche - the car at the center of the case against Heuermann in New York.

"I have her 3 tickets [to my graduation] just in case she lost one and I gave him 2 so he could bring her," Bean's daughter recounted via text.

"He told me he has lake houses and big boats if I ever wanted to have a boat party.

"He offered to take me to a concert and told me he wanted to marry my mom.

"I never saw her again after that night."



"While Bean's last physical sighting is believed to have occurred in early June, her last activity on social media came in mid-July."
 
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In 2017? That wasn’t that long ago.
No - exactly. So much for SKs stopping when they get older.

ETA
Oh and it was June timeframe, when Asa is away again? They have his phone records right, so they should be able to pin him down on this one.

I keep meaning to say, regarding Karen Vergata and the police guy who picked her up and attended with the girlfriend witness upthread, could that have been Burke? We are talking 30 years ago now so was he a cop that long ago. Anybody know?
 
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According to Wiki - he has been a cop since the 80's and Wiki makes it sound like he could be the boyfriend in '95 who picked up Karen Vergata. He was 59 last year, same age as CB.


Burke was a New York City police officer in the 1980s. He later began working for the Suffolk County Police Department in Suffolk County, New York. In 1995, a Suffolk County Police Department internal probe found that Burke had "had a relationship with a woman engaged in prostitution and drug dealing, and had engaged in sex acts in police vehicles while on duty and in uniform".[1]

Burke was appointed chief of the Suffolk County Police Department by Suffolk County Executive Steve Bellone in 2012[2] and served in that capacity until 2015.[3] During his tenure as chief, Burke supervised the investigation of the Gilgo Beach serial killings. Burke's work on the Gilgo Beach case, "including a decision to end cooperation with the FBI",[4] drew criticism from other law enforcement officials.[1]

In May 2013, the FBI and the US Attorney's Office opened an investigation into Burke's alleged beating of a suspect in police custody, a subsequent cover-up, and coercion of witnesses.[5] Burke was charged with assaulting Christopher Loeb after Loeb was arrested for allegedly breaking into Burke's unlocked vehicle and stealing a "gun belt, ammunition, a box of cigars and a bag containing sex toys and pornography".[4] Burke pleaded guilty to reduced charges in February 2016.[5] Following Burke's guilty plea, Suffolk County Executive Steve Bellone commented, "'Jim Burke, someone I entrusted with great responsibility, lied to my face for nearly three years and orchestrated a cover-up to perpetuate that lie'".[2] In November 2016, Burke was sentenced to 46 months in federal prison[6] for assault and obstruction of justice.[7] In January 2017, Burke began serving his sentence at Federal Correctional Institution, Allenwood Low. He was released to house arrest in November 2018.[8] His sentence was completed in April 2019.[9]

In August 2023, Burke was arrested for public lewdness, offering a sex act, and unlawful solicitation after allegedly exposing himself to a male plainclothes park ranger at Vietnam Veterans Memorial Park in Farmingville and propositioning him.[3][10]
 

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