Four students murdered at University of Idaho *ARREST*

• Tip Line: 208-883-7180
• Email: tipline@ci.moscow.id.us
• Digital Media: fbi.gov/moscowidaho

Got my Masters degree from here.

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/nation-world/national/article268771952.html

Killer who stabbed 4 Idaho students to death still at large​

The killer — or killers — who stabbed four University of Idaho students to death remained at large Tuesday, prompting many students to leave the campus in the idyllic small town despite police assurances that there was no imminent risk to the community.

So many students had left the scenic tree-lined campus in Moscow, Idaho, by Tuesday that university officials said a candlelight vigil scheduled for the next day would instead be held after the Thanksgiving break.

The students, all close friends, were found dead in an off-campus rental home around noon on Sunday, and officials said they likely were killed several hours earlier. Latah County Coroner Cathy Mabbutt told the Spokane, Washington-based television station KXLY that her preliminary investigation showed the students were stabbed to death. There is no indication that substance use was involved in the deaths, Mabbutt said.

 

[Cousin Dupree]

He's a vegan, willing to kill humans?

 

[Kimster]

He's a vegan, willing to kill humans?

I've thought about that before! Doesn't make sense whatsoever.

 

[RoundPeg]

I'm in a time crunch. Can anyone verify from cameras what time the 3 point turn was and what time he peeled out of there? My brain isn't comprehending what my math is telling me. Thanks.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

I'm in a time crunch. Can anyone verify from cameras what time the 3 point turn was and what time he peeled out of there? My brain isn't comprehending what my math is telling me. Thanks.

2:42 am - Phone pings indicate he left Pullman apartment
2:47 am - Phone turns off
3:26 am - Vehicle seen on Indian Hill Drive in Moscow
3:28 am - Vehicle seen on Styner Ave in Moscow
3:29 am - Vehicle seen in King Road neighborhood
4:00 am (approximate) - Xana receives Door Dash order

4:04 am - Vehicle enters King Road neighborhood for 4th time, stopping and turning around in front of 500 Queen Road #52 and then heading back westbound on King. Vehicle unsuccessfully attempts to park or turn around in road. Vehicle continues to intersection of King/Queen Roads, completing a 3-point turn and again going east down Queen.

"Around 4:00 am" - Noises heard upstairs. Sounded like playing with dog. "There's someone here." Crying from Xana's room. "I'm going to help you."
4:17 am - Security camera hears noise of voice/whimper and loud thud, and dog barking. Shortly after this noise DM opens door and sees suspect leaving.
4:20 am - Vehicle leaves King Road residence at high rate of speed
4:48 am - Phone turns back on
5:25 am - Vehicle seen on several cameras in Pullman
5:27 am - Phone arrives back at Pullman apartment

 

[Guess Who]

In my state, your yearly car registration and license plate sticker expires in your birthday month on the last day of the month. In some states, it expires on the first day of the birthday month and there is no grace period.
Driver's licenses are good for 7 years with a clean driving record. Those over the age of 75 have licenses good for 2 years, not 7.

Ours are every year or every other year on the month of purchase or so many days after you move into the state.

 

[kdg411]

Was it Moscow LE that stated the 2 surviving roommates lived on the first floor? Or was that just an MSM assumption?

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

Was it Moscow LE that stated the 2 surviving roommates lived on the first floor? Or was that just an MSM assumption?

Assumption.
Some on Reddit found social media pictures that indicated that DM had moved into the 2nd floor room after that roommate left. But somehow people got it in their heads that she MUST have been downstairs. It was never officially released by anyone.

 

[kdg411]

2:42 am - Phone pings indicate he left Pullman apartment
2:47 am - Phone turns off
3:26 am - Vehicle seen on Indian Hill Drive in Moscow
3:28 am - Vehicle seen on Styner Ave in Moscow
3:29 am - Vehicle seen in King Road neighborhood
4:00 am (approximate) - Xana receives Door Dash order

4:04 am - Vehicle enters King Road neighborhood for 4th time, stopping and turning around in front of 500 Queen Road #52 and then heading back westbound on King. Vehicle unsuccessfully attempts to park or turn around in road. Vehicle continues to intersection of King/Queen Roads, completing a 3-point turn and again going east down Queen.

"Around 4:00 am" - Noises heard upstairs. Sounded like playing with dog. "There's someone here." Crying from Xana's room. "I'm going to help you."
4:17 am - Security camera hears noise of voice/whimper and loud thud, and dog barking. Shortly after this noise DM opens door and sees suspect leaving.
4:20 am - Vehicle leaves King Road residence at high rate of speed
4:48 am - Phone turns back on
5:25 am - Vehicle seen on several cameras in Pullman
5:27 am - Phone arrives back at Pullman apartment

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Ok. So, when exactly did these murders occur? Given that time frame Xana was likely awake since she received food around 4am. No one screamed?

Also, the DNA really bothers me. LE didn't confirm a match prior to arrest, only after he was picked up in PA and the trash was sorted?

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

Ok. So, when exactly did these murders occur? Given that time frame Xana was likely awake since she received food around 4am. No one screamed?

I think she got her food and went back to her room. He may have already been in the house? She was on TikTok (or at least had the app open) until 4:12.
I think he was upstairs first. Noises were heard up there first. Probably 4:05-4:12. Then downstairs around 4:12-4:17.

Also, the DNA really bothers me. LE didn't confirm a match prior to arrest, only after he was picked up in PA and the trash was sorted?

No, I don't think so. They had the DNA match in the affidavit, which they had to have prior to his arrest.
They had the match on December 28. The probable cause affidavit was signed on December 29. He was picked up early Friday, December 30th.

 

[Guess Who]

Ok. So, when exactly did these murders occur? Given that time frame Xana was likely awake since she received food around 4am. No one screamed?

Also, the DNA really bothers me. LE didn't confirm a match prior to arrest, only after he was picked up in PA and the trash was sorted?

My understanding of the DNA was that they used the sample they obtained and used the ancestry site to narrow down the owner of it then verified it with the family trash taken out. They likely had a name and then saw a car registered to him of the same sort they were looking for. The DNA in the trash verified as belonging to the person that left it on the sheath was probably the missing link they needed and have probably had him being their suspect for a while now.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

My understanding of the DNA was that they used the sample they obtained and used the ancestry site to narrow down the owner of it then verified it with the family trash taken out. They likely had a name and then saw a car registered to him of the same sort they were looking for. The DNA in the trash verified as belonging to the person that left it on the sheath was probably the missing link they needed and have probably had him being their suspect for a while now.

I don't think they used an ancestry site. I think that was also media assumption. They got a familial match - DNA from knife sheath was compared to trash from family home. The match came back to match his father 99.9998%. I think it was just a straight, one-to-one comparison.

I think someone leaked "familial match" and the media went straight to genealogical / ancestry DNA.

 

[Kimster]

I don't think they used an ancestry site. I think that was also media assumption. They got a familial match - DNA from knife sheath was compared to trash from family home. The match came back to match his father 99.9998%. I think it was just a straight, one-to-one comparison.

I think someone leaked "familial match" and the media went straight to genealogical / ancestry DNA.

That's how I interpret it, too. It gets confusing because of all the media stating information as "fact" when it wasn't. That's why I said earlier that I was waiting for the affidavit. The media hype was really annoying me.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

I will admit this isn't SUPER strong evidence. Not as much as I was hoping for, anyway. Granted, they don't have to include ALL of their information/evidence in the affidavit. Just enough for an arrest. They likely do have more.

The only non-circumstantial evidence they have is one DNA sample on the knife sheath. A good defense attorney could provide some reasonable doubt for that. When you combine that with the circumstantial facts that his vehicle was also in the immediate area of the residence at the time, it does make it pretty damning. And that his phone was off. One of these things alone would be relatively easy to weasel out of. Combined together, though, it's hard to explain. Why would your phone leave your house, turn off, your vehicle is seen at the crime scene, where your DNA is also recovered (on the sheath of what is believed to be the murder weapon), and then your phone turns back on and you go home?

 

[Kimster]

I think she got her food and went back to her room. He may have already been in the house? She was on TikTok (or at least had the app open) until 4:12.
I think he was upstairs first. Noises were heard up there first. Probably 4:05-4:12. Then downstairs around 4:12-4:17.


No, I don't think so. They had the DNA match in the affidavit, which they had to have prior to his arrest.
They had the match on December 28. The probable cause affidavit was signed on December 29. He was picked up early Friday, December 30th.

The roommate said she thought she heard someone say there was someone in the house. I wonder if that was Xana telling Ethan?

 

[Kimster]

I will admit this isn't SUPER strong evidence. Not as much as I was hoping for, anyway. Granted, they don't have to include ALL of their information/evidence in the affidavit. Just enough for an arrest. They likely do have more.

The only non-circumstantial evidence they have is one DNA sample on the knife sheath. A good defense attorney could provide some reasonable doubt for that. When you combine that with the circumstantial facts that his vehicle was also in the immediate area of the residence at the time, it does make it pretty damning. And that his phone was off. One of these things alone would be relatively easy to weasel out of. Combined together, though, it's hard to explain. Why would your phone leave your house, turn off, your vehicle is seen at the crime scene, where your DNA is also recovered, and then your phone turns back on and you go home?

Whispering "and he does have bushy eyebrows"....

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

I think she got her food and went back to her room. He may have already been in the house? She was on TikTok (or at least had the app open) until 4:12.
I think he was upstairs first. Noises were heard up there first. Probably 4:05-4:12. Then downstairs around 4:12-4:17.

To add to this... if she got her food at the front door, which would make the most sense, he could have entered the second floor when she was downstairs.

 

[Guess Who]

I don't think they used an ancestry site. I think that was also media assumption. They got a familial match - DNA from knife sheath was compared to trash from family home. The match came back to match his father 99.9998%. I think it was just a straight, one-to-one comparison.

I think someone leaked "familial match" and the media went straight to genealogical / ancestry DNA.

And now you know why I don't like the media and the other place that required ALL info to come from MSM.

 

[kdg411]

My understanding of the DNA was that they used the sample they obtained and used the ancestry site to narrow down the owner of it then verified it with the family trash taken out. They likely had a name and then saw a car registered to him of the same sort they were looking for. The DNA in the trash verified as belonging to the person that left it on the sheath was probably the missing link they needed and have probably had him being their suspect for a while now.

Read what Cece Moore at Parabon Nanolabs says about the process. (Only link I could find is with DM.)

How Idaho cops used genetic genealogy to trace Bryan Kohberger

Bryan Kohberger was arrested through DNA found at the scene, that police ran through a public genetic genealogy site where they found distant relatives - likely a third, fourth or fifth cousin.

www.dailymail.co.uk

'Genetic genealogy is only a lead generator – it’s not evidence.

'It can't be used to arrest anyone or in a warrant. We’ll write a report up, explain how we came to this conclusion, then law enforcement have to take this information and do a full investigation. It’s a highly scientific tip but police still have to start from scratch once they get it.

'They have to go and collect their DNA, which they do by following them. We've heard that's what happened in this case.

'People don't get arrested based on my work alone.

 

[kdg411]

Whispering "and he does have bushy eyebrows"....

I think that's subjective because I don't think he does.

For example the image below is what I would describe as bushy eyebrows.

 

[Guess Who]

Read what Cece Moore at Parabon Nanolabs says about the process. (Only link I could find is with DM.)

How Idaho cops used genetic genealogy to trace Bryan Kohberger

Bryan Kohberger was arrested through DNA found at the scene, that police ran through a public genetic genealogy site where they found distant relatives - likely a third, fourth or fifth cousin.

www.dailymail.co.uk

'Genetic genealogy is only a lead generator – it’s not evidence.

'It can't be used to arrest anyone or in a warrant. We’ll write a report up, explain how we came to this conclusion, then law enforcement have to take this information and do a full investigation. It’s a highly scientific tip but police still have to start from scratch once they get it.

'They have to go and collect their DNA, which they do by following them. We've heard that's what happened in this case.

'People don't get arrested based on my work alone.

that's what i got out of it is that they DID use genealogy to narrow it down who did it. They then had to verify it. Or I should say from what I read that is what i understood them to have done on this case. They have done similar on many cases.