LIBBY GERMAN & ABBY WILLIAMS: Indiana vs. Richard Allen for 2017 murder of two Delphi girls *TRIAL IN PROGRESS*

On February 14, 2017, the bodies of Abigail Williams and Liberty German were discovered near the Monon High Bridge Trail, which is part of the Delphi Historic Trails in Delphi, Indiana, United States, after the young girls had disappeared from the same trail the previous day. The murders have received significant media coverage because a photo and audio recording of an individual believed to be the girls' murderer was found on German's smartphone. Despite the audio and video recordings of the suspect that have been circulated and the more than 26,000 tips that police have received, no arrest in the case has been made.[1][2][3]

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Police have not publicly stated nor released details of how the girls were murdered.[6] As early as February 15, 2017, Indiana State Police began circulating a still image of an individual reportedly seen on the Monon High Bridge Trail near where the two friends were slain; the grainy photograph appearing to capture a Caucasian male, with hands in pockets, walking on the rail bridge, head down, toward the girls.[4] A few days later, the person in the photograph was named the prime suspect in the double-homicide.[5]

On February 22, law enforcement released an audio recording where the voice of the assailant,[7] though in some degree muffled, is heard to say, "Down the hill." It was at this news conference that officials credited the source of the audio and imagery to German's smartphone, and, further, regarded her as a hero for having had the uncanny foresight and fortitude to record the exchange in secret. Police indicated that additional evidence from the phone had been secured, but that they did not release it so as not to "compromise any future trial." By this time, the reward offered in the case was set at $41,000.[5]


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We know who Luttrull is ( the new asst prosecutor) and Greenlee could be MS podcast guy. Baldwin had a lawyer but I don't know his name, so i don't know the other four.
hennesey for baldwin, but he's withdrawn.
yeah greenlee is ms.

one or two could be early PDs who go the case started when it was under diener ?

Christensen is Indianapolis appellate/ethics specialist - FWIW.
 
The guy is dead. You have to let it go now. All RL cared about was the police poking around and finding out he was still driving everywhere.

The story of RL's fake alibi for his probation violation (oops, no, its REALLY not about a fake alibi for the murders in my backyard) story makes me smile every time.

Couldn't make this stuff up.
 
Teenage girls are very very messy with their social media and they do their naughty/risky things that they don't want their parents to know about in groups; they use fake names, they use each others' phones, they use burners and flip phones that are harder to trace/recover data from.
The young ones learn from the older ones. The young ones learn from older strangers on SM. They are eager prey for so many inappropriate and unhealthy exposures via social media. They are blissfully unaware of their emotional and personal risk.

(I've seen a young child join a toxic instagram group of cutters, purporting to be a group support instagram, and the thing was loaded with young girls in bathrooms taking movies of cutting themselves and describing the relief. )

And so it goes.

My point being, we have a lot to learn about the investigation's journey once this trial gets underway.
 
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That was me that suggested that. He could have manipulated the records to hide anything he was stealing. Made false scripts, etc. I bet a pharmacy are not as hot on records as a hospital are.

I'm assuming if there were other crimes here, we'd see charges related to such activity like that above or other activities like ...

He was part of a drug gang.
Or
He had access to photo services at that drug store.
Or
He could have ran CSAM ops out of the photo department.
Or
He used tranquilizers from Kathy's workplace.

I'm content to wait for trial evidence.
 
That was me that suggested that. He could have manipulated the records to hide anything he was stealing. Made false scripts, etc. I bet a pharmacy are not as hot on records as a hospital are.

I don't know. I do know that state inspections, happen. If you're an addict, you get sloppier over time.
 
I'm assuming if there were other crimes here, we'd see charges related to such activity like that above or other activities like ...

He was part of a drug gang.
Or
He had access to photo services at that drug store.
Or
He could have ran CSAM ops out of the photo department.
Or
He used tranquilizers from Kathy's workplace.

I'm content to wait for trial evidence.
Maybe they didn't know about it? We do know they requested some work records from his employer though.
 
Teenage girls are very very messy with their social media and they do their naughty/risky things that they don't want their parents to know about in groups; they use fake names, they use each others' phones, they use burners and flip phones that are harder to trace/recover data from.
The young ones learn from the older ones. The young ones learn from older strangers on SM. They are eager prey to so many inappropriate and unhealthy exposure via social media. They are blissfully unaware of their emotional and personal risk.

(I've seen a young child join a toxic instagram group of cutters, purporting to be a group support instagram, and the thing was loaded with young girls in bathrooms taking movies of cutting themselves and describing the relief. )

And so it goes.

My point being, we have a lot to learn about the investigation's journey once this trial gets underway.
I think Libby had several profiles on line (Kik and Snapchat minimum) but Abby only had FB, unbeknownst to her mother. I believe Abbey didnt have a phone but had a tablet or IPad.
 
I think Libby had several profiles on line (Kik and Snapchat minimum) but Abby only had FB, unbeknownst to her mother. I believe Abbey didnt have a phone but had a tablet or IPad.
FWIW, Abby had a burner, unbeknownst to her mom. I don't have the link ... but IIRC we saw this confirmed by Barb McDonald in her documentary DTH.
 
Maybe they didn't know about it? We do know they requested some work records from his employer though.
JMO - I would think they've scoured workplace evidence and have lots of statements from co-workers, etc... Having an understanding of all that work-place stuff on this type of defendant is so important. No to mention, if RA did this ... it's so serial killer-ish.
 
Well by his own admission he was on the trail at the relevant time and the witnesses and video show BG was the only adult male there at that time. Therefore RA=BG.

That's not enough for me to convict someone. I'd want DNA from such a bloody crime scene and a lot more for a circumstantial case.

Maybe they didn't know about it? We do know they requested some work records from his employer though.

I believe that was only to find out the days he was working.

Well he wasn't ever charged with anything else so they clearly had no evidence he was involved.

Not true. You can have evidence that someone did something, just not enough to charge them with anything. After his death I think they didn't care anymore if he had any involvement. As I stated before I believe the others involved met at his farm and went down the hill to meet BG and the girls.
 
That's not enough for me to convict someone. I'd want DNA from such a bloody crime scene and a lot more for a circumstantial case.



I believe that was only to find out the days he was working.



Not true. You can have evidence that someone did something, just not enough to charge them with anything. After his death I think they didn't care anymore if he had any involvement. As I stated before I believe the others involved met at his farm and went down the hill to meet BG and the girls.

In fact they had enough against RL to acquire a search warrant.
 
BTW, Logan, who was 6' tall, was issued a PCA that stated:

"Logan's physical build is consistent with that of the male suspect videoed by LG on the Monan High Bridge Trail"

It's interesting to read that first PCA again.

https://interactive.wthr.com/pdfs/logan-warrrant.pdf


Sometimes I wonder if they set RA aside as simply a witness ... not a suspect ... long ago ... simply b/c LE felt RA was too short for the BG profile they'd developed. :thinking:
 
I think LE has been very slowly and very carefully, building a case chain of facts and evidence. One that will leave little room, if any, for a defense lawyer to insert reasonable doubt into a jury's mind.
One that LE can hand to the prosecutor to build a rock solid slam dunk case in court. Prosecution does not have to provide a " Why " (motive) for the murders, although that would be icing on the cake.

You can bet that the entirety of that "down the hill" recording that Libby made will be played in court for the jury, as will the video on the bridge. There is a lot about this case that hasn't been made public yet.

I have been saying for years and will say again: The LAST thing LE wants is for the perp to walk free on a technicality. The last thing LE and the prosecution want is to get technical fouls called on them for hanging on the rim after the slam dunk.
I think so too. There is much we don't know and I think that's exactly what is going on with the P side. No matter WHAT the defense does, the P does not react in kind. D knows things the P has that of course they aren't going to tell us either, and they're desperate imo. P is protecting the case even though I'd bet they'd LOVE to share some things to dispute much of the bluster and b.s. in the FM and more and the resulting public speculation and so on. One side acts professionally at least.

I'm loving the new charges. Hard at work while others in the case were busy with the ISC stuff.

I'm not going to get into an entire sexual motive debate with all here again but imo it was. Not just that but in the same sick twisted way it plays into many SK's murders. So many struggle with the motive but I don't at all. This was a twisted sick fantasy. I'm not sure the way it went was the plan but I am sure these girls were the target and it was not random. Imo.

I of course am not where I can't change my mind or 100 percent decided but I am on this being RA alone BUT I also have not dismissed the KK RA pedo ring thing. While in most cases I'd think such outlandish, there's too much here that makes it not outlandish at all. The Os are outlandish. I agree with @Tresir on this possibility and/or I think RA coming to be there when the girls were connects to KK in some way. Maybe with both involved or at miniimum as to how this came to be with RA. RA may well have been to get them for other purposes and it all went awry OR he went rogue with his own plan for instance.

However, I can also believe this was RA alone BUT I still believe something connects into how he came to be there with these girls on that day.

Other than those two variable scenarios, I don't entertain much else, certainly not Os.

But back to what you are saying about the case they have and much unknown to us, I agree. I get a bit frustrated not just in this case but a few others recently as well when everyone thinks we have all the info when all we have is what has been put out there. That is so far from the truth it isn't even funny. I've seen it from the other side, not in this huge of a case of course but there is a lot of strategy and planning as to when info is known and no, even after a preliminary hearing, can you think you have all that is going to come out. That's intentional.

Imo while R & B have been messing around with leaks and trying to buy time with an overload of FM b.s. because they weren't up on doing their job and more, the prosecution has been hard at it preparing.

To be fair, I will say RA's arrest all of these years later probably did not help with what evidence and info may have been obtained years ago but this stupid man still had the same gun and what else...? And he confessed. That's when the defense really got desperate although they came up with something lame first off and then had to try to scurry to come up with something big and distracting.

I personally think RA confessed because of his lack of representation or attention by B & R by that point for one, and due to wife and mom for another.

Anyhow, yep, totally agree with all you said and the P side is taking this seriously and readying their case.
 

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