Who is the LONG ISLAND SERIAL KILLER? *ARREST JULY 2023*

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Who is the Long Island serial killer? This is a general discussion thread about this terrifying case.


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I am posting this second article about the PC the other day in case this has more details.

Note - Heuermann paying Gilbert with cut up paper in an envelope, instead of the $1000 she was promised.



MILLER PLACE, N.Y. (PIX11) — In a jaw-dropping claim that took the Suffolk County district attorney by surprise, lawyer John Ray appeared with Police Commissioner Rodney Harrison at a Wednesday press conference and said he had four witnesses that tied Rex Heuermann to two other victims in the Gilgo Beach investigation.
“He was a serial user of sex workers,” John Ray said of Heuermann. “They would sometimes come to his house, sometimes two at a time.”
Ray said the first witness made a claim that Heuermann belonged to a “swingers club,” Le Trapeze, which was based in Midtown Manhattan, not far from where Heuermann worked as an architect. The witness said Heuermann had posted on a wall at Le Trapeze 27 years ago, asking for a sexual encounter at his Massapequa Park home.
The woman said her boyfriend in 1996 was an NYPD detective, referred to in a sworn affidavit as R.W.
Gilgo Beach murders: Inside the investigation that led to Rex Heuermann’s arrest
“In February 1996, R.W. picked up a woman I believe to be Karen Vergata in New York City, on the way to the Heuermann house,” the alleged witness said. “She was hungry and homeless.”
Vergata was identified this year as Jane Doe #7, whose legs had washed up on Fire Island in April 1996. Her skull was discovered in 2011 in Tobay Beach, during the Gilgo investigation.
The witness said she, her date and the woman called “Karen” entered the Heuermann home and she met Heuermann’s wife.
“Karen went downstairs,” the witness wrote. “I stayed upstairs. My partner, who I believe was bisexual, kept disappearing. I believed he was elsewhere in the house, having sex with Rex. I believe I had sex with Rex as well. I never went downstairs.”
The witness said when she and the off-duty detective left Heuermann’s house, “The woman I believe to be Karen suddenly ran outside, naked, and ran about by the garage. RW had gone to the back of the house to look for his belt, but he was then back in the car. RW told me not to worry about her, that she was okay, they were only playing a game. We left without her. I felt uneasy that we left without the woman.”
Possible Gilgo Beach tie to woman found dead on Long Island parkway being investigated, family says
When PIX11 News asked Commissioner Harrison if this allegation made Heuermann a prime suspect in the dismemberment murder of Vergata, he responded, “We have the information. We’re working on it.”
The police commissioner said he actually sat down and listened to the affidavit of a second Ray witness, a female taxi driver who believes she encountered Heuermann twice — and Oak Beach victim Shannan Gilbert once — in the fall of 2009.
In one instance, the cab driver said she was dispatched to pick up a woman at the Sayville Motor Lodge on Sunrise Highway, a notorious location for prostitution which was recently shut down by the federal government.
“I saw a dark, apparently greenish-grey SUV on a side street close to the motel,” the second witness said in a sworn affidavit.
The witness said “a very large man came out. He tried to block his face with his arms. Then a girl ran out. She was petite. She was crying and shaking.”
Cops investigating possible link between Gilgo Beach suspect and 4 dead Atlantic City sex workers
The taxi driver said the scared woman got into her car and said she was glad to get away, claiming the man filled up her envelope with cut-up paper instead of the $1,000 she was promised.
“I saw her on TV when she was identified as Shannan Gilbert,” the second witness said. “I am certain that the girl was Shannan Gilbert.”
The taxi driver said she later encountered Heuermann a second time near Exit 59 on the Long Island Expressway when she responded to a call.
“When I arrived at the bar, I observed an extraordinarily large man wearing an army-like fatigue jacket,” the second witness said.
The driver said the passenger wanted to go for “a long drive into the woods” with a woman.
The driver said the man got agitated when she refused and said “he wanted to kill me if I would just give him a reason to do so.”
The cabbie said she then heard the click of a gun, before her dispatcher called the cops.
Ray said a third witness currently living in Oklahoma City contacted him and said she performed sexual services for Heuermann at a Queens park and he had threatened to kill her at one point. This woman did not sign a sworn statement.
A fourth witness said she, too, had been hired for sex by Heuermann, but he was always nice to her.
Commissioner Harrison said he was willing to listen to tips received by Ray because “people don’t always want to use our Crime Stoppers hotline.”
Harrison said the cab driver who spoke of two alleged encounters with Heuermann “had no stake in this,” referring to the criminal case.
But Suffolk County District Attorney Ray Tierney, who is personally prosecuting Heuermann for three murders of women discovered on Ocean Parkway, was taken aback by the press conference and issued the following statement.

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I hope politics do not destroy this case. I am so tired of seeing such battles mean more than justice for victims and their families. Clearly the DA had no heads up the Police Commissoner was going to appear with John Ray.

Last night I listened to Police Off the Cuff and became more outraged the longer I listened. One was disparaging John Ray and the way he dresses and all of it to no end and saying the Commissioner unfortunately cannot ignore any tip, etc. and probably HAD to do this and looked uncomfortable etc. I am paraphrasing.

A few years ago several retired cops came onto the YT scene. I was gung ho and enamored slightly at first and figured quality YTers right? First one dropped was CM and you can never now pay me enough to watch him. I will still watch on rare occasion Mike of PE but not a total fan. I dropped Duty Ron (retired NYPD) but still watch Police Off the Cuff (also retired NYPD). They aren't nearly as dry and playing boringly "safe" and talking down and educationally to us peons for one thing. But I about lost it yesterday and thank God I wasn't watching live or I'd probably have given them an earful.

CLEARLY politics are going on.

IF these men know something then they need to quit disparaging and INFORM us the general public of what the he77 their reasons are for poo pooing all of this. It is too bad because I really liked them.

Also as to the D.A.'s statement, WHY would any sex workers come to them?? Rather than to someone like Ray?

I don't know what to believe here but for the ones who signed statements and particularly the one woman I think there is something here. Who has trouble believing these things about this man or what went on in their home etc.?

I am something like 19 pages into the charging document and he was CONSTANTLY contacting sex workers and massage parlors and getting new burner phones between even 2021 to 2023 AND child porn and googling all types of torture porn, child porn, etc. I mean let's just stop right there. HE AND HIS WIFE have two children, one who is his BUT STILL children in the home. This man is as creepy as they come. Are we to believe with googling such he never hurt or harmed a child?

He apparently is ADDICTED to sex or should we say rape or paid sex or what??

The D.A. and task force have done an excellent job BUT they need to get on and be on the same page with their police commissioner and they CANNOT be all official and stuffy and have sex workers worrying about being charged or even having to sign statements to get information. Of COURSE they have to keep this serious, official and not get down in the mud BUT there is and always has been a huge disconnect between courts and LE with the general public and they just do not know how to bridge the gap, nor care to, nor realize there is one if you ask me. Now we have what may well become infighting and politics amongst themselves...

Retired cops as I've mentioned above came on to YT to like educate the public and bridge that gap or so they said, well they aren't doing it either and are in fact very "something' when it comes to their hometown of NYC!

It is just like Burke's sexual problems and recent re-arrest. And his total RUIN of this case for years for whatever PERSONAL reason. Ya know darned well he was likely gone after BUT how can the man be so stupid as to be doing what he was STILL? He seems a lot like CB. So WARPED sexually and SO ADDICTED to WARPED sexual things.

All of this and these cases have been a bit too much to sort out yet, as I said the brain hurts. I also read the swinger's thing review. Good Lord. And 19 pages of the charging document all this morning. That is without Morphew Richins and others in the past day or two.

I don't know that I believe all of Ray's "witnesses" but I believe some.

The bigger problem though IS here you have the police commissioner on with him and the DA having no clue of it all. EVERYTHING is politics these days on some level and it needs to STOP and there is NO concern over justice when it comes to politics. It is POLITICS in Morphew as well. Or it is fame and fortune. Or games.

TOO MUCH for a work day and even for an off day. I read too much this morning. Saw too much the last day or two as well trying to catch up with all. Big mistake I think. I can't seem to come out of it/get over it. Can't get the thoughts working and sort it as it is just too much. Trying this post just to clear one little bit of all this b.s. I've absorbed.
 
But her story telling of her experience was hilarious! So worth the read even being soooooooooo cringe. She takes you right there with her! :rofl:
In context with this case I found it not so humorous. Had I read it just out of the blue and did not follow crime, etc. it would probably seem funnier. I get the hilarity but have been just so far from feeling any these past couple of days with all these cases and life that I couldn't take it in in the context it would have been in normal life reading it maybe at the time written. I mean it was funny, like the tube sock thing and keeping your d**k out of the food but I felt no hiliarity in me, probably because I am just really saturated with how depraved CB is, Barry Morphew is, these swingers are and feel it is all so common these days or something. BOTH CB and BM have child porn kind of searches yet both are suspected of murdering adults. What CHILDREN have they hurt?? Then let's add in Delphi and the whole O thing and then leaks and suicide... WE already have children murdered in that one.

I need to get it together. Seriously. I have about went over the edge with all this sh*t on top of life. My mood is foul. Sorry.

Trying for a light ending here. I think I have ONE pair of tube socks. They are going to the dumpster when Ieave for work. I want NO ONE thinking I am some pasty white arsed swinger. What if I were to die and my family finds my pair of tube socks??!!! I had no idea tube socks were associated with swinging. :eek:
 
Parts of it are funny, but it honestly made me sick to my stomach reading it.
Same here honestly. None of it is shocking sadly, I mean it is NYC and such things have hardly been unheard through the decades there or anywhere else. I think though in relation to this case, picturing CB or wife Asa in tube socks (ICK) and that we have dead sex workers I just felt no humor at all. Disgust I felt. I don't even want to say they should watch out for what may appear to be chip dip.
 
Proposal:

Honey will you marry me, be my one and only and then we will swing okay?

Honestly what is wrong with people...

I REALLY want to know more about CB's mom. Sorry but I do. AND what his dad died from. AND how she supported them after. ASA is another story...
 
I hope politics do not destroy this case. I am so tired of seeing such battles mean more than justice for victims and their families. Clearly the DA had no heads up the Police Commissoner was going to appear with John Ray.

Last night I listened to Police Off the Cuff and became more outraged the longer I listened. One was disparaging John Ray and the way he dresses and all of it to no end and saying the Commissioner unfortunately cannot ignore any tip, etc. and probably HAD to do this and looked uncomfortable etc. I am paraphrasing.

A few years ago several retired cops came onto the YT scene. I was gung ho and enamored slightly at first and figured quality YTers right? First one dropped was CM and you can never now pay me enough to watch him. I will still watch on rare occasion Mike of PE but not a total fan. I dropped Duty Ron (retired NYPD) but still watch Police Off the Cuff (also retired NYPD). They aren't nearly as dry and playing boringly "safe" and talking down and educationally to us peons for one thing. But I about lost it yesterday and thank God I wasn't watching live or I'd probably have given them an earful.

CLEARLY politics are going on.

IF these men know something then they need to quit disparaging and INFORM us the general public of what the he77 their reasons are for poo pooing all of this. It is too bad because I really liked them.

Also as to the D.A.'s statement, WHY would any sex workers come to them?? Rather than to someone like Ray?

I don't know what to believe here but for the ones who signed statements and particularly the one woman I think there is something here. Who has trouble believing these things about this man or what went on in their home etc.?

I am something like 19 pages into the charging document and he was CONSTANTLY contacting sex workers and massage parlors and getting new burner phones between even 2021 to 2023 AND child porn and googling all types of torture porn, child porn, etc. I mean let's just stop right there. HE AND HIS WIFE have two children, one who is his BUT STILL children in the home. This man is as creepy as they come. Are we to believe with googling such he never hurt or harmed a child?

He apparently is ADDICTED to sex or should we say rape or paid sex or what??

The D.A. and task force have done an excellent job BUT they need to get on and be on the same page with their police commissioner and they CANNOT be all official and stuffy and have sex workers worrying about being charged or even having to sign statements to get information. Of COURSE they have to keep this serious, official and not get down in the mud BUT there is and always has been a huge disconnect between courts and LE with the general public and they just do not know how to bridge the gap, nor care to, nor realize there is one if you ask me. Now we have what may well become infighting and politics amongst themselves...

Retired cops as I've mentioned above came on to YT to like educate the public and bridge that gap or so they said, well they aren't doing it either and are in fact very "something' when it comes to their hometown of NYC!

It is just like Burke's sexual problems and recent re-arrest. And his total RUIN of this case for years for whatever PERSONAL reason. Ya know darned well he was likely gone after BUT how can the man be so stupid as to be doing what he was STILL? He seems a lot like CB. So WARPED sexually and SO ADDICTED to WARPED sexual things.

All of this and these cases have been a bit too much to sort out yet, as I said the brain hurts. I also read the swinger's thing review. Good Lord. And 19 pages of the charging document all this morning. That is without Morphew Richins and others in the past day or two.

I don't know that I believe all of Ray's "witnesses" but I believe some.

The bigger problem though IS here you have the police commissioner on with him and the DA having no clue of it all. EVERYTHING is politics these days on some level and it needs to STOP and there is NO concern over justice when it comes to politics. It is POLITICS in Morphew as well. Or it is fame and fortune. Or games.

TOO MUCH for a work day and even for an off day. I read too much this morning. Saw too much the last day or two as well trying to catch up with all. Big mistake I think. I can't seem to come out of it/get over it. Can't get the thoughts working and sort it as it is just too much. Trying this post just to clear one little bit of all this b.s. I've absorbed.
You know I don't often watch videos but this morning I saw a CourtTV one which was new and just 9 minutes long about the PC and the affidavits. So I watched it. He had 3 guests on - two women and one guy and all three poo-poohed the witness statements. They had no problem believing his wife was involved though. I couldn't believe why they are writing off these witnesses but only believe the wife bit.

The written comments were not complementary about the comments of these three. I'll post it as you may recognise them.

 
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In context with this case I found it not so humorous. Had I read it just out of the blue and did not follow crime, etc. it would probably seem funnier. I get the hilarity but have been just so far from feeling any these past couple of days with all these cases and life that I couldn't take it in in the context it would have been in normal life reading it maybe at the time written. I mean it was funny, like the tube sock thing and keeping your d**k out of the food but I felt no hiliarity in me, probably because I am just really saturated with how depraved CB is, Barry Morphew is, these swingers are and feel it is all so common these days or something. BOTH CB and BM have child porn kind of searches yet both are suspected of murdering adults. What CHILDREN have they hurt?? Then let's add in Delphi and the whole O thing and then leaks and suicide... WE already have children murdered in that one.

I need to get it together. Seriously. I have about went over the edge with all this sh*t on top of life. My mood is foul. Sorry.

Trying for a light ending here. I think I have ONE pair of tube socks. They are going to the dumpster when Ieave for work. I want NO ONE thinking I am some pasty white arsed swinger. What if I were to die and my family finds my pair of tube socks??!!! I had no idea tube socks were associated with swinging. :eek:
I don't even know what tube socks are? Are they the ones with no heels? If so then I don't think I have any.

The actual place closed some years ago but that article was written in 2011 so this would have been 12 years ago. I also remember one of the witnesses saying that CB advertised on their notice board, which is another reason I googled for it to see if i could find evidence it truly was a swingers location. It makes the witnesses more believable too.
 
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You know I don't often watch videos but this morning I saw a CourtTV one which was new and just 9 minutes long about the PC and the affidavits. So I watched it. He had 3 guests on - two women and one guy and all three poo-poohed the witness statements. They had no problem believing his wife was involved though. I couldn't believe why they are writing off these witnesses but only believe the wife bit.

The written comments were not complementary about the comments of these three. I'll post it as you may recognise them.

Link to follow.
Yeah that makes a lot of/NO sense. CM and Mike from PE are quite often guests on Court TV and with Vinnie. CM in particular has pulled some sh*t and affected cases. Mike is the one who had the Morphew DA Stanley on his show. They also have been on Dr. Phil and more. I haven't exed out Mike entirely but he is a huge cult buster but he will NOT TOUCH Scientology for instance. The guys on Police Off the Cuff I actually really like/d but I tell ya they need to sh*t or get off the pot so to speak. SAY IT. Criticize, hint and you name it...

I don't know how believable Ray or his witnesses are BUT this case was screwed royally for years by REAL professionals and elected officials no?

NYC and area is home to all SORTS of stuff. We can start with Epstein. I could go on and on and on and on and on. And cite a TON of things. AND POLITICS.

Clearly here politics are playing in and even with an arrest, there are I think some butts still being covered. The absolute refusal to look at Gilbert again even aside from LISK does not sit well with me. Ya know darned well Burke's recent rearrest was no accident...
 
You know I don't often watch videos but this morning I saw a CourtTV one which was new and just 9 minutes long about the PC and the affidavits. So I watched it. He had 3 guests on - two women and one guy and all three poo-poohed the witness statements. They had no problem believing his wife was involved though. I couldn't believe why they are writing off these witnesses but only believe the wife bit.

The written comments were not complementary about the comments of these three. I'll post it as you may recognise them.

Link to follow.
I don't mean "you" as in "you" in my post, talking generally ya all know/we all know...
 
I am really likely her the more I watch of her with the bit of time I get

She covers the new affidavits here, all parts, as we almost never get in news and boy, not dull. I was thinking the banker/cab driver was the most credible it sounded like but I don't know, the one who had the cop bf who believes it was Karen Vergata they took with them to swing at Rex and Asa's house has things that 'REALLY fit and in her talk about the swinger's club too and number of LE in this stuff and more...VERY interesting., the full thing.

 
This is an article that came out when they identified Karen and it was only in August this year. It was 1996 when the first part of her remains (her legs)were found and 2010 when her skull was found. I think she could be his first victim.


From the link -

"Vergata was 34 years old at the time of her disappearance in 1996, police said at the news conference. She had been living in Manhattan and was believed to be working as an escort when she went missing, police said.

"It's wonderful that they have an identity now for this Jane Doe. And I'm sure it offers welcome information for her family," said Robert Kolker, author of "Lost Girls," a book about sex workers whose remains were found on Long Island in recent decades.

The human remains authorities now identified as Vergata's were found separately on Long Island more than a decade ago, police said. Her legs were found in 1996 near Davis Park and her skull was found in 2011 on Tobay Beach, police said. The beaches are more than 20 miles apart.

"This Jane Doe is interesting because the first portion of her remains was found so long ago," Kolker said. The first of the "Gilgo Four" to disappear went missing in 2007, he said.

The two sets of remains were linked by comparing DNA. Later, using a swab from the inside of a relative's cheek, police identified the remains as Vergata's.

No one has been charged in connection to her killing at this time, police said."

This is another article that explains she was last heard from when she called her father on 14th February 1996 to wish him a Happy Birthday. The affidavit that puts Karen at Heuermann"s house with his wife claims that was in February 1996.


This article claims she went missing on Valentines Day 1996. They actually identified her in October 2022 but did not announce it due to the ongoing investigation at that time.

 
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This is an article that came out when they identified Karen and it was only in August this year. It was 1996 when the first part of her remains (her legs)were found and 2010 when her skull was found. I think she could be his first victim.


From the link -

"Vergata was 34 years old at the time of her disappearance in 1996, police said at the news conference. She had been living in Manhattan and was believed to be working as an escort when she went missing, police said.

"It's wonderful that they have an identity now for this Jane Doe. And I'm sure it offers welcome information for her family," said Robert Kolker, author of "Lost Girls," a book about sex workers whose remains were found on Long Island in recent decades.

The human remains authorities now identified as Vergata's were found separately on Long Island more than a decade ago, police said. Her legs were found in 1996 near Davis Park and her skull was found in 2011 on Tobay Beach, police said. The beaches are more than 20 miles apart.

"This Jane Doe is interesting because the first portion of her remains was found so long ago," Kolker said. The first of the "Gilgo Four" to disappear went missing in 2007, he said.

The two sets of remains were linked by comparing DNA. Later, using a swab from the inside of a relative's cheek, police identified the remains as Vergata's.

No one has been charged in connection to her killing at this time, police said."

This is another article that explains she was last heard from when she called her father on 14th February 1996 to wish him a Happy Birthday. The affidavit that puts Karen at Heuermann"s house with his wife claims that was in February 1996.


This article claims she went missing on Valentines Day 1996. They actually identified her in October 2022 but did not announce it due to the ongoing investigation at that time.

The "witness" who places her at the Heuerman''s with them and they brought her there said she just got out of jail and she was hungry, i think dirty, etc. and had nowhere to go, etc. The woman was a swinger whose partner was a NYPD cop who became a detective at some point... He picked her up and you have to wonder why and who had him do so etc. or if he was part of it. She feels it WAS Valentine's Day or near as it was winter and her and her partner generally did swinging on the holidays or for the holidays. There is a lot more...

I think they stopped at a gas station if my memory serves and the guy was gasing up or something and the woman (thought to be KV by her now) said she was worried about where they were going. The woman told her her partner was a cop and reassured her she was safe with them (paraphrasing).

THere is more of interest and worse.

Have you watched any of it?

They went to the Heuerman's...

This is just the swinger's story and then there is the banker/taxi driver's story. I could go on about the rest...
 

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